Inno-Sport Thread

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[quote]AZMojo wrote:
RJ24 wrote:
First of all, to Mr. Staley and all of the other not-so-helpful contributors to this thread, I would like to ask you to take this penis-waving contest elseware. I posted asking for advice, and if that’s not what you’re here to give then I’d appreciate it if you left the conversation.

That having been said, here are the requested stats on me.

I’m 17 year old, 6’1 or so, and about 200-205 pounds. I’ve been training for less than a year but have always been a fairly good athlete. My best lifts are:
ATG Squat: 335
DL: 405
Pullups: 3 with BW+100 lbs
Vertical Leap: 30-31"

I’m not very reactive and I attribute this to too much time in the gym as of late. However, I can generate force very quickly and have a tremendous block start.

I’ve recently started track and field for the first time and am learning the jumps. The triple jump in particular is giving me problems. You see, when I go LLR in the TJ, I only go 12-9-14 feet for each jump. But when I go RRL for the TJ, my first leap is nearly 16 feet in length, but I’m unable to absorb the landing with the right foot. How should I go about fixing this?

Thank you,
RJ

I’m no expert on Track % Field but, given your stats and the fact that you missed competing in the LJ State Championships by 1/2", I would recommend the LT-TP program.

LT-TP = Lose twenty - thirty pounds.

Not to be too much of an asshole, but 200-205 is WAY too heavy to excel in the jumping events. If you’re serious about it, streamlining your body should be your priority. Frankly, I’m a little suprised that none of these experts has mentioned this. The best system in the world won’t make an elephant jump like a kangaroo.
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It was mentioned by Jumanji in an earlier post. I didn’t mention it because I am no expert (I have only shared what I have learned through personal experience) and it did not appear that RJ was expecting to go to the Olympics in the triple jump.

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[quote]jtrinsey wrote:
You don’t HAVE to take everything that one author says as gospel. [/quote]

Good call! At risk of sounding like a worn-out drum, my only objective is to find stuff that I truly think is going to take your training to the next level and then make it available - stuff a little more “grounded” than, say, structuring a whole training philosophy - let alone book! - around the concept of training density. (to throw one random example out there)

Whether you want to follow it exactly as I suggest, tweak the recipe to tickle your taste buds, or curse me up and down and maybe even a little sideways, is up to you.

It’s all about results! If you don’t like the results that you’re getting then shake things up - a little beer-in-a-bottle brilliance for everyone to sip on. (no need to thank me)

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[quote]SpeedKills wrote:
I respect your stance. I just believe that the message has gotten lost in your messenger (DB Hammer or D. Buchenolz). Still very interesting stuff.
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You know what, Speed, I agree with you 100%. It is very difficult to get your message across to the majority if you write to the minority.

We value your opinion very much; hopefully you’ll agree that we do a better job of passing the information on in the future than we have done in the past.

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[quote]Nuttall wrote:
a little beer-in-a-bottle brilliance for everyone to sip on. (no need to thank me)[/quote]

mmm… BEER

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[quote]RJ24 wrote:
AZMojo, now just how do you suggest I go about losing 20-30 pounds healthily and without compromising performance? I worked hard for that weight and would hate to see my abilities dwindle away with my muscle.

RJ[/quote]

Assuming that’s you in your avatar, you look like you’re already pretty lean, so you won’t be able to drop that much body fat. I know how much work it takes to pack on lean body mass, but if you’re going to specialize in a particular sport/event at some point your body is going to have to match the demands of the sport. Right now, you seem built like a great all-around athlete.

This is good for most team sports, but all-rounders don’t generally compete well in specialized events(not at high levels). You mentioned in an earlier post that the best jumper on your team is 6’3" and 175lbs., this is more in line with the standard. Unfortunately, I think you’re going to have to sacrifice some of that upper body mass, while focusing on hip/leg power, as well as the mechanics of the event(I hope your coach can help you with this).

If your timeframe is too short to drop the weight, you may be better off changing sports, or accepting that you’re at a disadvantage in your chosen one and compete because you love it(with no expectations attached). Be satisfied that you’ve given your all, and done YOUR best(as infuriating as that 1/2" is:)

Mojo

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I think it’s funny that a pack of guys who basically just started training are telling Charles Staley to “sack up just once” in defense of the vague “methodics” behind Innosport and the very questional ethics/honsesty of David Brad Nuttal.

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OK RJ, sorry I haven’t posted sooner…

At a quick glance (and I haven’t looked any other’s reponses to your questions at all, so if I’m parroting what others are saying, take it for what it’s worth), I’m sure I’m not telling you anything new when I say that you’re pretty heavy for a triple jumper.

If that’s you in your avatar, it’s also evident that you don’t much excess weight to lose.

I think your primary deficiency (aside from the possibility of sport-specific technical issues, which I’m not in a position to assess) is your strength-to-weight ratio. I’d like to see you full squatting at least double bodyweight, and then re-assess your situation with regard to lack of stiffness on landings.

There are of course, numerous ways to increase your relative strength, and you’re very young, so the sky’s the limit I would think.

So I’ve provided you with a “telescopic” view of what I think you need to look at, the next step is to refine the “microscopic view,” meaning, the specific plan to accomplish the objective. And as I said, there are many different plans on this site that can help you in this regard.

Hope that helps to provide some clarity and direction…

[quote]RJ24 wrote:
Okay everyone, I thought I’d open up a thread for a the DB Hammer fans on the board. This will be a place to post workouts, comments, and questions. Anyone can add anything they want, as long as it’s constructive.

I guess I’ll start.

I’m training for the 100M, LJ, and TJ and I was wondering if I could do ADA and track work instead of RA work. I’d figure that just doing the jumps, along with the absorption training would be perfect. Any thoughts?[/quote]

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Charles~

Agreed completely. Thanks for adding to the discussion.

J

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Not to be the dumbass of the thread, but where can I buy the book/DVD and what are there actual names?

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www.inno-sport.net

It is called “The Sports Book”. I suggest that you read their articles first.

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[quote]Ze wrote:
www.inno-sport.net

It is called “The Sports Book”. I suggest that you read their articles first.[/quote]

In fact The Best Ever…or so it claims.

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Will~

Have you ever pondered the insane idea of actually constructively adding something to a thread?

Just wondering.

J

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[quote]Jumanji wrote:
Will~

Have you ever pondered the insane idea of actually constructively adding something to a thread?

Just wondering.

J[/quote]

You cant be positive and from Ireland at the same time.

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[quote]Will Heffernan wrote:
Ze wrote:
www.inno-sport.net

It is called “The Sports Book”. I suggest that you read their articles first.

In fact The Best Ever…or so it claims.

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A few recent T-Mag Articles…

“12 Steps to the PERFECT Clean”
“The ULTIMATE Triceps Program”
“G-Flux: Building the ULTIMATE Body”
“The PERFECT Snatch”

Google Alwyn Cosgrove and you’ll see:
“The Leading Authority on Sports Conditioning The fastest, most effective, performance enhancement, fat loss and muscle building programs available anywhere.”

And I’m sure I don’t need to get started on Pavel!

What I’m saying is that every coach has their own hype machine. Besides, why would you put out a book on training if you DIDN’T honestly think it was the best way to train?

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[quote]Jumanji wrote:
Will~

Have you ever pondered the insane idea of actually constructively adding something to a thread?

Just wondering.

J[/quote]

I don’t actually see us talking about anything except an ‘overweight’ and I don’t mean fat triple jumper who could possibly be a stand out performer in any number of events far better suited to his obvious athletic abilities. If he loves triple jumping that is great. Go for it. I love dancing but at 120ish kgs no matter how hard I work or how good my program is and whether I like it or not…I’m only going to go so far. Right?

All I see is a bunch of guys taking an incredibly simple subject and contorting themselves in knots over it. Every article I’ve read written by these guys…and I read all that I had available…thanks Dan Quayle…I could take just about every paragraph and condence into down to 1 or 2 great sentences because a lot of the points are good ones. I’d be happy to take the Greatest Book Ever and turn it into 2 page wallet sized document.

I don’t see anything new, anything revolutionary, anything that isn’t being done by hundreds of coaches I know that don’t have time to sit around crapping on about it and trying to make money out of by attempting to mesmerise people. When I read some of the stuff it reminds me of the sort of document you get from people selling cars and stereos…quadraphonic, multi sequencing, interspatially, dynamically relexive amps and woofers with a isometricity driven spoiler…I mean wtf?

I don’t have a beef with anyone here. A lot of the points that are being made are valid. The state of conditioning programs being produced by a large number of strength and conditioning professionals are incredibly poor. Point taken.

I know as always you guys are just going to say ‘piss off then’ but that’s not the point is it? If you are going to come to T-Nation to expose your ideas and opinions be prepared to get feedback good or bad and not just have a number of devotee’s slapping you on the back telling you what a genius you are. I’ve seen enough ‘positive’ comment on this thread already so if you want to discuss accept that I’m not just going to congradulate people for being a ‘Genius’.

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[quote]Viking69 wrote:
Jumanji wrote:
Will~

Have you ever pondered the insane idea of actually constructively adding something to a thread?

Just wondering.

J

You cant be positive and from Ireland at the same time.
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As usual…a resort to some sort of personal attack…1. I’m not Irish so I’m not sure what posting from Ireland has to do with it. 2. Is that it??? OK…you got me…that ‘What do you expect…he’s Irish’ thing really cut me to the bone.

Mate…if you want a hand at having a go at me personally just PM me and I’ll give you some good ammo and you can have another crack at it. Because in all seriousness…and as usual…I’d do a much better job at it.

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Will~

Just thought the general ire found over there may have rubbed off… you got it from somewhere.

I will be waiting for that wallet sized document that completely covers Inno-Sport. You offered like a big shot, so now I will hold you to it.

And no, I wasn’t taking a crack at you. If I were doing that, it would have actually been personal, and would definitely not have started with your heritage. I probably would have started with the level of conditioning displayed by your avatar… but, we spend our time working different ends of the power spectrum, so it would be silly to mock you for doing what is necessary to win. That seems to be the SOP around here by the “gurus”, but isn’t my bag.

It would be as ignorant as calling Carl Lewis a “skinny geek” (how many times have we heard this term from “gurus” here?) if he was on here giving training advice to sprinters. At 6’ 165 lbs or so, he was barely male by PL standards. But, I am sure some guy who squats 1000 pounds has much better insight into speed development… having “walked the walk” and all…strike that…waddled the sprint…

It would be like me saying that if you cannot dunk yourself, or run a 4.4 forty, you have nothing to add to performance training. (This name calling stems from the days when guys got their feelings hurt for not making it on the field… so now we are going to mock the little fast guys and see who can bench the most… ridiculous. Totally.)

I simply wonder why every single post is cynical, with no advice given. For a guy in the game 2 decades, you provide very little insight. And simply saying, “if the guy likes triple jump, great!”, adds very little. His mom can help him with encouragement.

Hell, even after I called you on it, no help was provided, just cyinical crap.

So no, I don’t think I will PM you. Your attitude bores me.

Instead, I will continue to try and help guys who want performance gains on the field… not in the weightroom, I bow down to the Pl’ers for that… but on the field. And, my kids all know that I “walk the walk” because when I jump, jaws drop, and when I run or cut, people just shake their heads at the white anomaly.

Oh, and for the record (to give you fodder), I cannot bench twice my BW, never have, and my neck looks about like Charles Staley’s, so I am waiting for him to come up with EDT for necks so I can look “tough” (hurry up Charles!!), and not be a skinny necked geek. There is some fodder for you. I am the skinny geek who at 34 still runs a Speed Trap mid 4.5 forty, and still dunks… total skinny geek.

I await the cynical response… we really cannot expect more, can we?

Jumanji
(aka, sick of the egos)

PS~ IM me when the wallet sized Inno-Sport Cliff Notes are ready. We can post and discuss them in public. Say end of business week? Since it so simplistic and all…

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[quote]Jumanji wrote:
Will~

Just thought the general ire found over there may have rubbed off… you got it from somewhere.
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You have no idea what you are talking about…when was the last time you were here…let me guess…around the time of the potato famine…wake up to yourself…you should of let that one slide…you dug yourself a deep enough hole.

That’s fine. Send me any material you like at anytime you like. You better check with Dietrich Buchenholz because I wouldn’t take material from the website and reproduce it here as that is a copyright infringement…as much as I’d love to do so.

In fact PM me and I will give you my email address and phone number. Even better have Dietrich Buchenholz give me his if he prefers as I might as well go straight to source. I am even happy to have the discussion in German as I’m sure that would be easier for him.

That’s me is it?

[quote] but, we spend our time working different ends of the power spectrum, so it would be silly to mock you for doing what is necessary to win. That seems to be the SOP around here by the “gurus”, but isn’t my bag.
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You might have to run that by me again as I haven’t got a clue what your talking about…I have a feeling that it’s hurtful though right?

What sports were you under the impression that I coach by the way…I don’t think this line of thought is going to end well for you?

Explain guru’s will you? Are we talking Guru in the Dave Tate meaning of the word? As in people who only lift shit with there mind?
Please tell me that you are putting me in the Guru category…please I’m begging you…then we can compare representative history and career titles…ever competed at a World Championship? Ever coach yourself and a 2 team mates to one while you were still competing? How many people have you got to that level as a coach and how many have you taken there from Junior level? I mean as opposed to having a great athlete dropped in your lap that you just tried not to fuck up? While you’re at it maybe you could tell me how many sports you’ve managed to do this in? I hope you aren’t actually Micheal Johnson???
By the way do you who are the fastest athletes in the world over 20 metres?

Oooops…I think you are arguing with the wrong guy here…you wanna have a guess how many of my current athletes actually bench?

I was only saying that because that’s probably better than what a lot of you guys are telling him…I’m on his and his Mum’s side.

Sorry, that was all I had time for.

I’m sorry about that too…annoying I could of understood…but boring… that’s harsh.

You sound even more self absorbed and egotistical than me…that’s quite an achievement…your path to the dark side is almost complete young Jumanji. Good! Your hate has made you powerful. Now, fulfill your destiny and take Dietrich Buchenholz place at my side!

Ohhh my God…I thought you were 18-20 for sure[quote]still runs a Speed Trap mid 4.5 forty, and still dunks… total skinny geek.

I await the cynical response… we really cannot expect more, can we?

Jumanji
(aka, sick of the egos)

PS~ IM me when the wallet sized Inno-Sport Cliff Notes are ready. We can post and discuss them in public. Say end of business week? Since it so simplistic and all…[/quote]

Like I said…send me anything you want me to translate for you…I’ll put the meaning behind every article on a business card for you.

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Will~

Very well done, you played your part perfectly.

I did see that you added some constructive advice on another thread though… two thumbs up for you… maybe you have turned the corner.

A quick question, who is the bigger tool, the faked Germna guru, or the internet dork who writes long threads mocking him…?

Like a soap opera, all of the actors are bad.

And, I love the way you ducked out of fulfilling the Cliff’s Notes you “happily” offered… how clever…ish. But then later ensured us you have total control by again offering what you will ducked out of…

And it isn’t plagerism if you cite the work… there, problem solved, so you are still on the clock.

Predictable and simple.

Jumanji

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I would like to say that I would really like to see Heffernan actually taking this challenge and I don’t say this in a confrontational way at all.

Jumanji’s bagging aside, you seem like a knowledeable guy from your previous posts. Inno-Sport DOES have a lot of good things to say, so I’d love to hear somebody who’s got a lot more experience than me interperet some things by them.

I have a few things in mind that I’d like to hear your perspective on.