I’m glad it’s working for you, and I would like to try it, but I go through a clinic, and my prescription is for 70mg a week, and I can’t refill until a certain date, so I’d run out quick around that dosage. I will run it by my doc though and see what he says. Maybe ask for 200mg a week. Also I just watched a video last night about a guy on 300mg of nandrolone for 20 years. He said he feels great with good libido BUT he has fertility problems and pretty high hematocrit… He also cycled some other drug every few months for a short time, don’t know what it was called but the abbreviation was “EQ”. Just emailed my doctor to see if it’s an option. I can at least get his opinion.
Even if we imagine this Deca only TRT is healthy long term, how do you get enough estradiol?
300mg of deca will usually provide “enough estrogen” (and u can thereby run higher anabolics obviously as 300mg deca will create a pretty good body composition if you work out), if not, up it, and check ur blood markers to keep an eye on your health.
The guy I linked to above have clients (bodybuilders obviously) on 4g deca a week, those are people who testosterone didnt work for at all (cause of all the estrogenic and androgenic side effects).
If anyone in here have tried TRT for a long time, with different protocols, and nothing is working, I would suggest you try out a couple weeks on NPP (fast acting deca) to see if you feel better, no harm really, if it doesnt work, just go back to the test.
I was very sceptical myself, but eventually a friend convinced me to try and yeah, its great so far, I will follow up with bloods in a couple months to see if everything is fine.
I actually had no idea that deca had been used in HIV patients as hormone replacements of decades, but obviouslt it had, kinda cool.
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I wouldnt consider using it at this point but Im very interested how this could work.
Just bear something in mind. This aromatizes very little. And Im not sure for deca is the same, but if you are on tren a portion of your tren will come out as estradiol on your blood test, but it is not real estradiol. I can suspect here the case to be similar because they are very close as a structure
I know a guy from GB on such protocol, but he takes HCG to provide enough estradiol
Before I do anything I’m gonna stick to this protocol for 8 weeks, and get labs. I’m on deconate so I shouldn’t notice a difference until like 3 or 4 weeks I think?
Are you talking about deca with testosterone? I know nothing about deca with testosterone, it seems it can create great side effects in terms of libido and bloating and shit.
But yeah, a couple weeks before a noticeable difference on deca, compared to NPP.
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A big problem for me is acne, even at 100mg it’s horrible, I’m embarrassed to even take my shirt off. I hate it. I would like to lower my test dose as much as I can and replace it with nandrolone
Nandrolone only and u will most likely be free from acne, atleast according to Taeian. Also, hair regrowth may occur, if uve lost hair on testosterone.
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And deca seems to be absolutely superiour to testosterone when it comes to muscle mass (mg per mg):
We administered 150 mg nandrolone and 250 mg testosterone (both IM, biweekly). The primary outcome measure was a comparison of absolute change in weight at 12 weeks between the nandrolone decanoate, testosterone, and placebo groups. RESULTS: Intent-to-treat analysis was done. The nandrolone group recorded maximum mean increase in weight (3.20 kg; post hoc P < .01 compared to placebo). Body mass index (BMI) of subjects in the nandrolone group had a significantly greater increase (mean = 1.28) compared to both testosterone (post hoc P < .05) and placebo (post hoc P < .01). Waist circumference and triceps skinfold thickness of patients on nandrolone showed similar results. Nandrolone also ensured a better quality of life. Patients with low testosterone level (<3 ng/mL) benefited immensely from nandrolone therapy, which increased their weight and BMI significantly compared to placebo (P < .05). CONCLUSION: Our trial demonstrates the superior therapeutic effects of nandrolone in male AWS patients, including the androgen deficient.
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After more research I found that the reason people limit deca cycles to 12 weeks, is because some type of metabolite catches up, and has negative effects on the body. I don’t know all the medical terminology, all I know is it’s not great for your body, and there is a reason body builders use it for short periods of time. I also read an article stating that mixing deca and test is not a good idea, because the nandrolone produces estrone, and when test is added, it just ends up converting it to E2. @highpull have you heard of anything like this?
I think you may be referring to the well known effect of nandrolone on cholesterol, specifically the HDL cholesterol. With nandrolone, HDLs are reduced. For this reason, lipids are followed closely and, for the guys that love nandrolone, I like to have them take breaks if total cholesterol inches upward and HDL levels drop to the low 30s.
As for bodybuilders (I was not one), it is my understanding that they like it during the bulking phase of their training. While it does have a high anabolic to androgenic profile, it can still produce progestin and estrogen side effects. They’ll drop it during the cutting phase and probably use aromatase inhibitors to cut up. Sometimes, a lower dose of nandrolone will then be used if the joints become too much of an issue.
Nandrolone can increase prolactin and subsequently impact libido and erectile function. Perhaps another reason it is used for short periods.
As for not taking nandrolone and testosterone together, I’m not sure about that. In fact, I would maintain that you must take testosterone when using nandrolone. Nandrolone will shut down testosterone. If you do not add testosterone, you will be low and suffer the effects of low testosterone. In fact, that was our rationale back in the day when we started competition cycles with oral AAS and nandrolone. After about three to four weeks, we added testosterone and would increase dosages up until the competition while backing nandrolone down. For example, given a ten week cycle, we might use nandrolone for the first five or six weeks and test for the last six or seven.
I hope that helps.
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I do 10 week cycles on/off throughout the year…test is always suppressed somewhat but not much. For example my normal test levels are in the 1000 range, but when I’m on cycle 900 is normal.
My dose is 100mg of Deca along with normal TRT dose of 200mg. Never had any issues whatsoever besides the positive side effects.
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Can you please post the article? I keep a database of articles that interest me. When I have time on my hands, I dig into it and try to understand various aspects of TRT better.
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I can’t get my head around nandrolone only HRT. NPP as the nandrolone short ester has been discussed above. NPP does not aromatise heavily but is going to suppress natural T production and DHT. Estradiol levels will be low, E is shown to be cardio and neuro protective as well as beneficial for certain organ health. Libido too is going to crash with low E and high “T” levels. I can’t see how this can work with suppressed E.
I took NPP at 300mg/week for 6 weeks as a short cycle. This seems to be what is being used by someone above. Yes, the first 4 weeks were amazing, libido was awesome, strong, etc etc. Weeks 6 onwards made me regret it. I’d be interested in a long term run and feedback, I’ll be surprised if it’s positive.
Yep. This is what I also cannot understand
You got prescribed NPP?
I know deca can be prescribed but not NPP as far as I’m aware of
How long u been running it? See any gains?
I just came across this thread and WOW!
Your libido issues are 100% solved, thats fucking wild!
I wonder what deca is doing for you that testosterone wasn’t. Also was the effect immediate?
Deca only could be taken for life? This is a wild turn of events and something i’ll have to consider in the future.
I’ve seen slow and steady gains throughout the 3 years I’ve been on TRT, but I don’t think the Deca plays a huge role. If anything I think it makes me look a little puffy, although I do notice more vascularity.
The main benefit for me is on my joints, really seems to help me with joint pain. Also, it makes me really horny. Never had any issues with Deca dick.