I’ve been going to my dr for about a year and a half for TRT. It definitely works and has helped. I’m very into working out and they have also offered me Deca. Dr told me Deca with my build would definitely make a difference in my muscle mass and putting on more muscle. I’m looking for advice on taking testosterone and Deca together, pros and cons currently taking 220 test once a week. Does it work, worth it etc.
Thanks in advance
Look at “deca dick” threads on this forum. Not saying not to do it, but I’d highly suggest reading the horror stories before going forward with it. Plenty of folks do fine with it, just good to know the risk.
If you’re going to do it then source some proviron from a reputable place and add that in. It’ll give you the best chance to avoid deca dick.
No respectable doctor would prescribe deca for this reason. Congrats on finding a legal steroid dealer. Yes it will make a difference in muscle mass. You run the risk of libido/ED issues in the immediate and cardiac issues from chronic use. Worth it? Your call.
Was watching a video on Dbossa’s youtube channel, he explains he has clients informing him of their “trt” regiments consisting of
What… The… Fuck… what kind of long term TRT protocol is this…
My thoughts exactly. Personally observed Nandrolone and Var being prescribed. Basically, go to Empowers website and look at their arsenal. They have a drug catalog link in the upper right hand corner. You will find everything at that compounding pharmacy available amongst many anti aging clinics.
Hey, just because it isn’t suitable for long term use doesn’t mean that I wont totally go to one of these clinics next time I’m in the US lol
They’re prescribing CYCLE doses… YEAR round… imagine
250mg test
200 deca
50mg var
And they’re like “take the test/deca year round, take the var 6 wks on 12 wks off”… holy shit, and with gh… sarms, peptides etc…
Holla at ya boy when you get here. My doc is all about them gainzzzzz. Although I don’t take advantage of it myself.
I took 300mg/wk Deca for 10 weeks along with 500mg/wk Test E on my last cycle. I was having some shoulder issues I was hoping the Deca would alleviate. I did notice my erections weren’t as robust as they normally are but that was solved with a little (very little) Viagra. After I finished the vial of Deca my erections returned to normal; I consider myself lucky. My biggest issue with the Deca was a gnarly allergic reaction that caused an all over rash. It was itchy and red and just horribly uncomfortable; I managed it with some antihistamines. I don’t plan on doing Deca again mostly for that reason. I wouldn’t recommend it.
As a blast or long term addition to your TRT? I really don’t see a place for anything except T in long term TRT, the risks on Deca aren’t worth it. Different story if it’s a blast I guess.
Other option is just bump your T dose.
Long term risks exist with all AAS. perhaps it’s more pronounced with deca compared to primo/mast/eq (actually this is debatable… nephrotoxicity) but it’s nothing compared to taking tren, var… any oral with TRT long term… and this pertains significance as many in the past took dbol, halo, methyltestosterone for TRT etc
As all it’s dose dependent, 100mg deca won’t fuck you up nearly as badly comparative to 1000mg etc
I agree. My point is I don’t believe there’s a place for any other product in TRT besides test. The OP’s doc suggested Deca for muscle mass. Just increase your T, much less risk and having to reset your system.
Again if it’s a blast, which I assume it is since we’re in Pharma, then I guess it’s ok. Personally I wouldn’t do Deca again having experience with NPP. Long term I reckon even 100mg Deca is going to have negative effects. Why risk it?
100mg will have risks, but this pertains to the significance of therapeutic value the drug has
After reviewing the literature, I’ve come to the conclusion that deca is riskier than testosterone, to what extent is unknown… but aside from neurological effect… I’d believe the difference in risk isn’t extreme (as in its not 5-10x more harmful)… we simply don’t know
Nandrolone itself aromatises/is 5a reduced, however the metabolites (and further downstream metabolites from the parent hormone itself, dihydronandrolone etc) aren’t supposed to be present within large concentrations in the human body (trace amounts yes… but even therapeutic amounts of deca flood the body with far more than what would be produced natural)
These synthetic metabolites have different pharmacokinetics compared to test, what effect regarding cellular regulation, other biological processes do these synthetic metabolites have? Esp in supra concentrations, we just don’t know… this was the case with the pill and it’s been found out hormonal contraceptive pills for women (depending on the type used) roughly triple the risk of blood clots etc. hormonal interference, specifically synthetic hormones alter homeostasis significantly, the downstream effects (this pertains to supra doses of test too) can be lethal
That being said, if things turn out well I’ll be running deca for a while (my cruise dose is… high) but then again I also don’t “cycle”, pertaining to 500mg+ dosages and don’t ever intend to so it’s a happy medium. I suffer from chronic pain and at this point I’d certainly choose deca over surgery, painkillers or just dealing with it. Not saying deca is good for TRT, but in certain instances I’d argue it can be justified.
The neurological effects can be rather profound
Interestingly a recent rat study came out going against the notion of prior studies indicating deca didn’t change morphological parameters of the rat heart (dose was low though)
Today post cortisone shot is my first chest workout in a VERY long time, can still work back, legs etc just fine (though shoulders I’ve had to be extremely specific regarding exercise choice). Did some rear delt raises yesterday after my workout/run… today my left delt is twitching, irritating but expected… shit happens, I’m very stubborn though. Unless pain/ailment is unbearable I don’t let something stop me from getting where I wish to be
Many also dislike the notion of intense cardio due to the inherently catabolic nature of extreme endurance exercise… I’m not too focused on purely aesthetics, I’m focused on what I enjoy… if running, cycling and whatnot makes me happy (running needs to be on a treadmill with a slight incline, and my weight does shift further to one side leading to muscular imbalance as I have nerve damage in my left ankle and thus physically can’t activate certain muscles within my left leg) then I’ll incoorperate such elements into my daily routine
It’s a risk/reward ratio/cost assessment one has to see here. In the guys case, offered deca under a docs supervision… if he wants to cycle and is aware of the risks it’s not a bad idea, better than/statistically safer using black market gear without supervision
Thanks
What the doc has told me is they would cycle the Deca 6 weeks on and 6 weeks off. I take 220 test every week this will be long term since my body stopped producing test I was at 49 test level when I started treatment lol. Very low to say the least. Now my test is around 1000 and it’s definitely been great.
OP have your gains stalled on the Test? Also what’s the shot frequency. Only asking because if it’s 110mg twice a week. Add another 110mg for a third shot every week. Unless you have some structural issues, ie bone or connective tissue, I don’t see the benefit/risk being worth it when adding it in low dose cycles vs a blast of T. Have a buddy that has ran it a few times at 300mg a week in addition to T, didn’t do much for him.
Gains are doing good haven’t stalled. I take 220 test once a week every week
Kinda funny because with the long half life of nandrolone decanoate… purportedly up to12 days, it’d take 60 days for the drug to be out if you will… 6 weeks isn’t long enough for that to occur
Also, what dosage are they offering you?
I’m sure you feel great and I don’t debate the benefits of TRT at that dose. I’m just struggling to get my head around the Deca long term use in 6 week batches. But because I don’t get it doesn’t mean it’s wrong. I’d be interested in your experience after 8-12 months, please keep updating.