Who thinks thats a forum of hacks who are in their early 20’s who are more willing to give critism instead of real honest advice.
this guys said his legs a large enough but he wants to bring up his upper body… I said to him he needs to devote more time to his upper body to bring it up… Make sense right?? At least I thought so… Then I had a ton of people willing to critize me but unwilling to give valuable advice…
Sounds like a board for beginners… I used to read mens health but realized very quickly their target audence is mainly new lifters. The guys I see on here usually are much older and more experienced… And are more into bodybuilding then training the full body split.
The split I reccomend is a typical one you would find in Muscle and fitness
Monday:Chest
Tuesday:Back
Wednesday:shoulders and traps.
Thursday:Legs
Friday: Arms
That gives their upper body a full pounding to fully develop it… A guy was ranting and raving. Then I saw his profile. It says he was 19… How much can you know at 19??? Unless you been training since you were 13 probably not that long. I am 31 usually I can see right through the BS.
That gives their upper body a full pounding to fully develop it… A guy was ranting and raving. Then I saw his profile. It says he was 19… How much can you know at 19??? Unless you been training since you were 13 probably not that long. I am 31 usually I can see right through the BS.
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There are many over-opinionated 19-year olds out there, but there are also many educated and experienced 19 year olds. The latter group just know when to shut up and listen to the experts.
Not sure if you intentionally meant to talk down to 19 year olds, but not all of us are retarded.
I agree with Silver. We are not all stupid and I know when to listen, absorb, and apply more so than argue with someone. Again only a select few know when and how to do this. Even my FIRST 100 or more posts I was “Mr.Knowsitall”. But once I got to know how the site ran with regards to posting I tightened up. It may be the same case with Mens Health forums.
EDIT: I remember a member from Men’s Health came here because people on the forums there were telling him that he HAS to do 2 years full body training before getting into bodybuilding splits.
This is why I tend to only reply in the GAL forum. I’ve been training for a little less than 3 years (2.5 non-stupidly) so I know I don’t know jack shit compared to many of the more experienced lifters on here. I’d rather listen and use the information they put forward rather than tell them what I think is best because honestly, if you want to get somewhere you should listen to the big fucks who are already there, not the kid who just started lifting trying to rub his e-peen.
What I have found is sometimes even the ones that post a lot. Will have little to no experience even on this forum. Yet you see post counts in the thousands range. One of my workout buddies says there is keyboard expert on every forum with little to no experience. But loves to sound like an expert.
You just have to figure for yourself where the gems are vs the bullshit.
[quote]pzehtoeur wrote:
This is why I tend to only reply in the GAL forum. I’ve been training for a little less than 3 years (2.5 non-stupidly) so I know I don’t know jack shit compared to many of the more experienced lifters on here. I’d rather listen and use the information they put forward rather than tell them what I think is best because honestly, if you want to get somewhere you should listen to the big fucks who are already there, not the kid who just started lifting trying to rub his e-peen. [/quote]
You see the same shit on our own bodybuilding forum. But it’s more like “Guy’s who don’t make progress giving advice” or “Guy’s who don’t look like they lift giving advice”. It’s almost a given these guys who constantly dispute the training/diet advice by the bigger guys will not have any pictures on their profiles. Nor will they post any to show us how following their own advice got them swole. My conclusion is that they don’t have the physiques or experience to back up their bullshit.
[quote]pzehtoeur wrote:
you should listen to the big fucks who are already there[/quote]
So by that logic, Jay Cutler knows more that say Christian Thibaudeau or Dave Tate? Both CT and Dave are big mofos, but not as big as Cutler
size does not always mean that they have experience training others. Thats like saying something is better just because it costs more.
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To be honest, he never said that ‘there is a direct correlation between muscle mass and intelligence’, he just said listen to the big fucks.
Yes, size does not ALWAYS mean that they have more experience, but 99% of skinny-fat guys don’t know how to build a decent amount of muscle, and 99% of built guys do. There are outliers, but they are not common.
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Thanks for seemingly making ‘defending 19 year olds’ stigma enough to warrant that closer.
I think that 90% of my forum posts on here are from the last 3 years (and I’ve been on here for almost 10 years). As a newb, I used to look for opportunities to offer any input, but rarely did I have anything better to offer than the posters who had truly spent longer in the trenches than I. That’s not to say that I couldn’t have stumbled upon a great study and made note of it, but to be honest, “you don’t know what you don’t know”, and in most cases (I teach high school), teenagers are reluctant to admit as such. I’m certainly not throwing out a blanket statement, as I do feel that the quality of poster on this site is a step above most others, but we do have our share (of all ages) of less experienced, yet very opinionated folks as of late. Still, if you are bothered by this, go over the bodybuilding . com and read all the 17 year olds giving prohormone advice to the 14 year olds -lol
[quote]superpolishpower wrote:
this guys said his legs a large enough but he wants to bring up his upper body…[/quote]
You may not have experienced the “My traps are my best feature” or some of the other more hilarious statements made by people doing a relative comparison of body parts on an entirely shitty body, but if you had, you would know what potential for comedy gold that poster may have been handing you.
statistically, most of the guys at the gym i see working arms/chest 5 days a week with barely half reps for both, or with alot of back bending in the curls are about 18-19-20 years old. so, that immediately makes me discredit most of the info from anyone in that age range. im 26, ive been working out and reading up on the subject since i was 16 or so - granted alot of those were spent foolishly doing chest/arm splits as well but ive corrected that in more recent years and saw alot of gains/size from doing so.
people love giving advice on stuff they dont know anything about, whether its lifting, money, cars, women, cooking. i have a boss that does 1 cardio kickboxing class once a week or something like that, hes fat as hell with no strenght telling me what i should do to slim down (which im not looking to do).
[quote]silverhydra wrote:
There are many over-opinionated 19-year olds out there, but there are also many educated and experienced 19 year olds. The latter group just know when to shut up and listen to the experts.
Not sure if you intentionally meant to talk down to 19 year olds, but not all of us are retarded.
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Haha. In five years you’re going to look back and say, “Fuck, I was retarded.”
[quote]silverhydra wrote:
There are many over-opinionated 19-year olds out there, but there are also many educated and experienced 19 year olds. The latter group just know when to shut up and listen to the experts.
Not sure if you intentionally meant to talk down to 19 year olds, but not all of us are retarded.
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Haha. In five years you’re going to look back and say, “Fuck, I was retarded.”[/quote]
[quote]silverhydra wrote:
There are many over-opinionated 19-year olds out there, but there are also many educated and experienced 19 year olds. The latter group just know when to shut up and listen to the experts.
Not sure if you intentionally meant to talk down to 19 year olds, but not all of us are retarded.
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Haha. In five years you’re going to look back and say, “Fuck, I was retarded.”[/quote]
Is that what you do now? Because I do…
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That’s what I do. In fact, just today I said to myself, “Fuck, Polo’s retarded!”
[quote]pzehtoeur wrote:
you should listen to the big fucks who are already there[/quote]
So by that logic, Jay Cutler knows more that say Christian Thibaudeau or Dave Tate? Both CT and Dave are big mofos, but not as big as Cutler
size does not always mean that they have experience training others. Thats like saying something is better just because it costs more.
I’m by no means trying to defend the 19 year olds, I’m just saying, hear everything out and make an informed choice on what to listen to. [/quote]
Hasn’t this been covered? If you go to a big guy for advice then you know he’s trained at least one person to that standard - himself. No-ones claiming the bigger you are, the more you know, I don’t think anyone here’s ever claimed that. If they’re big or have succesfully trained someone else to be big, I’ll listen.
[quote]silverhydra wrote:
There are many over-opinionated 19-year olds out there, but there are also many educated and experienced 19 year olds. The latter group just know when to shut up and listen to the experts.
Not sure if you intentionally meant to talk down to 19 year olds, but not all of us are retarded.
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Haha. In five years you’re going to look back and say, “Fuck, I was retarded.”[/quote]
Damn straight I will; If I can’t say that, it will mean that I haven’t improved myself intellectually since then, which would be an embarrassment.
[quote]silverhydra wrote:
There are many over-opinionated 19-year olds out there, but there are also many educated and experienced 19 year olds. The latter group just know when to shut up and listen to the experts.
Not sure if you intentionally meant to talk down to 19 year olds, but not all of us are retarded.
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Haha. In five years you’re going to look back and say, “Fuck, I was retarded.”[/quote]
Is that what you do now? Because I do…
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That’s what I do. In fact, just today I said to myself, “Fuck, Polo’s retarded!”
[quote]pzehtoeur wrote:
you should listen to the big fucks who are already there[/quote]
So by that logic, Jay Cutler knows more that say Christian Thibaudeau or Dave Tate? Both CT and Dave are big mofos, but not as big as Cutler
size does not always mean that they have experience training others. Thats like saying something is better just because it costs more.
I’m by no means trying to defend the 19 year olds, I’m just saying, hear everything out and make an informed choice on what to listen to. [/quote]
Hasn’t this been covered? If you go to a big guy for advice then you know he’s trained at least one person to that standard - himself. No-ones claiming the bigger you are, the more you know, I don’t think anyone here’s ever claimed that. If they’re big or have succesfully trained someone else to be big, I’ll listen.[/quote]
What if they trained someone to be shredded and succeeded. What about that? To be big takes alot of time. 2-3 years with good genetics 5-10 with bad genetics. Either way you slice it, it takes alot of time and dedication. Smart and not necessarily “hard” training is required with nutrition being a point that’s understood.
