Indian TV Host Slapped by Contestant

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[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:
debraD wrote:
Men cannot hit women, or do so at their own social peril because some men DO hit women and they do frequently, too frequently batter the hell out of them to the point that we have created an appropriate social stigma.

Sorry, deb. I don’t believe that for a second.

Please show me where this stigma you speak of is “appropriate” ? Nobody here thinks it’s appropriate to beat women like you are describing. Nobody.

And don’t mention the wife beaters as an exception; we are talking about civilized, sane people (hopefully the majority posting in this thread).

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It is overcompensation but it exists because the problem of violence against women exists. I don’t believe what I said in any way implies sane people are wife beaters because they hit back.

It is also important to understand that when I hit you, you are offended, pissed off and might want to set me straight. But when you hit me I am put in my place by my physical weakness and vulnerability in this world where as a woman there is a pretty good chance I’ve encountered the type of violence that I am describing. It’s not guilt by association, rather it’s understand how a punch in the face/ slap in the face/whatever is different when you are a woman.

It’s not fair for you and it’s not fair for me. Life’s like that.

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The man on the game show did what was best. As a man, disrespect and reputation mean everything. ‘Death before dishonor’.

OG, any time a man hits a woman back after being struck by her it is motivated by fear. Fear that he will be less than a man if he allows himself to be disrespected like that, fear that he will be thought of as weak and impotent, fear that if he can’t defend his honor from a woman, than how can he make a place for himself in a world of men?

Physical beatings mean nothing to a man. The guy on the show slept well that night, even if he bled on the sheets. Women are afraid of getting killed, but men have greater fears. We’d like not to be killed, but death is better than being a pussy.

So does a man strike a woman out of fear? Most definitely. If death is forever, then ignominy is at least as long-lasting, and even more prolonged, if there is the rest of a lifetime lived with it, as well.

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
Annihilator wrote:
The major problem with guys hitting girls and stuff is the law.

If a girl hits a guy, she can’t really go to jail for it and won’t pay the price unless the guy is really hurt.

If a guy hits a girl, he’s gonna get his ass sued.

Anyway, that’s how I see it.

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Which of my statement do you disagree with? (sorry for my poor writting skills)

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[quote]debraD wrote:
PonceDeLeon wrote:
debraD wrote:
Men cannot hit women, or do so at their own social peril because some men DO hit women and they do frequently, too frequently batter the hell out of them to the point that we have created an appropriate social stigma.

Sorry, deb. I don’t believe that for a second.

Please show me where this stigma you speak of is “appropriate” ? Nobody here thinks it’s appropriate to beat women like you are describing. Nobody.

And don’t mention the wife beaters as an exception; we are talking about civilized, sane people (hopefully the majority posting in this thread).

It is overcompensation but it exists because the problem of violence against women exists. I don’t believe what I said in any way implies sane people are wife beaters because they hit back.

It is also important to understand that when I hit you, you are offended, pissed off and might want to set me straight. But when you hit me I am put in my place by my physical weakness and vulnerability in this world where as a woman there is a pretty good chance I’ve encountered the type of violence that I am describing. It’s not guilt by association, rather it’s understand how a punch in the face/ slap in the face/whatever is different when you are a woman.

It’s not fair for you and it’s not fair for me. Life’s like that.

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You’re expected to be weak. No one faults women for physical or mental weakness. Men like to protect women.

A weak man is loathsome to society; a weak woman is endearing. As small as you feel, no one would look down on you for it. A man would feel small and receive no support, rather he would be trampled and pissed on, even by women. Both men and women would feel bad for a woman, neither would give two shits about a man.

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[quote]debraD wrote:
Men cannot hit women, or do so at their own social peril because some men DO hit women and they do frequently, too frequently batter the hell out of them to the point that we have created an appropriate social stigma.

If you really think women walk around thinking they are ‘protected’ then you really need think about what it REALLY like for most women who avoid parking lots after dark for fear of what men will do to them. This is partly because of scare mongering and partly because they or someone close to them wound up hurt. So there is NO WAY women think they are protected!!! That is incredibly ridiculous. Seriously!

Personally, I believe in being accountable for my actions and don’t expect that if I slap some guy that he should not or would not slap me back. But, we live in a world where women get dominated, abused and shitkicked by their spouses and until that stops it will just have to be that way. I don’t fault anyone for reacting to a slap but at least understand why it is how it is.

Of course, I don’t expect guys to understand this instinctively because of different experiences and such but trust me!! We have an entire different experience.

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This has NOTHING to do with what happened in that video. That woman wasn’t scared and wasn’t being dominated. She hit the guy for no reason because she didn’t think anything would happen. Bitch was wrong.

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[quote]Vicomte wrote:
The man on the game show did what was best. As a man, disrespect and reputation mean everything. ‘Death before dishonor’.

OG, any time a man hits a woman back after being struck by her it is motivated by fear. Fear that he will be less than a man if he allows himself to be disrespected like that, fear that he will be thought of as weak and impotent, fear that if he can’t defend his honor from a woman, than how can he make a place for himself in a world of men?

Physical beatings mean nothing to a man. The guy on the show slept well that night, even if he bled on the sheets. Women are afraid of getting killed, but men have greater fears. We’d like not to be killed, but death is better than being a pussy.

So does a man strike a woman out of fear? Most definitely. If death is forever, then ignominy is at least as long-lasting, and even more prolonged, if there is the rest of a lifetime lived with it, as well.[/quote]

Vicomte I will respect that that is your opinion, but that is as far as that goes.

That whole “put the bitch in her place for disrespecting me” is an abomination.

“men have greater fears” what a bunch of crap.

the leading cause of death for women is homicide most often perpetrated by the man in their life. Especially for pregnant women.

ah you poor guys, I hope you manage to feel safe at night

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
Annihilator wrote:
The major problem with guys hitting girls and stuff is the law.

If a girl hits a guy, she can’t really go to jail for it and won’t pay the price unless the guy is really hurt.

If a guy hits a girl, he’s gonna get his ass sued.

Anyway, that’s how I see it.

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Which of my statement do you disagree with? (sorry for my poor writting skills)

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I don’t believe that men shouldn’t be allowed to fight back against a crazed banshee throwing punches, I’m saying women aren’t walking around being privileged cunts thinking they can physically assault a man any time they want. There might be some that do, but I haven’t met them (excluding generally crazy women who are not feeling protected but are just fucking insane–I have met them).

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My sister and I used to get in some fucking brawls when we were real young. She would fight my brother too, more often than me. They once got into a fight in like 5th grade under the big tree on the playground. The rest of the kids thought it was two guys. I ran over to it and saw my sister wailing on my brother like on that movie A Christmas Carol.

She was fucking mean when she was 9. She would talk shit, start shit, and be a shit.

I once cut her head open with a metal spatula, she needed stitches. She fuckin’ deserved it though. I’ll admit it… She would scare the shit out of me when she was in attack mode.

Anyway, does that make me a heartless woman beater? I feel awful, but damn it. Sis was like a fucking pitbull back in the day.

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[quote]Annihilator wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
Annihilator wrote:
The major problem with guys hitting girls and stuff is the law.

If a girl hits a guy, she can’t really go to jail for it and won’t pay the price unless the guy is really hurt.

If a guy hits a girl, he’s gonna get his ass sued.

Anyway, that’s how I see it.

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Which of my statement do you disagree with? (sorry for my poor writting skills)
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I see you aren’t in the US so I don’t know Canadian law, but here in most states it doesn’t matter your sex, in domestic violence the perpetrator is the one taken in by law. The parties do not have the option of not pressing charges. This is because so many women would not press charges and many times would be murdered that night for calling the police in the first place.

Women do and should go to jail for physically abusing anyone.

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[quote]Unaware wrote:
debraD wrote:
Men cannot hit women, or do so at their own social peril because some men DO hit women and they do frequently, too frequently batter the hell out of them to the point that we have created an appropriate social stigma.

If you really think women walk around thinking they are ‘protected’ then you really need think about what it REALLY like for most women who avoid parking lots after dark for fear of what men will do to them. This is partly because of scare mongering and partly because they or someone close to them wound up hurt. So there is NO WAY women think they are protected!!! That is incredibly ridiculous. Seriously!

Personally, I believe in being accountable for my actions and don’t expect that if I slap some guy that he should not or would not slap me back. But, we live in a world where women get dominated, abused and shitkicked by their spouses and until that stops it will just have to be that way. I don’t fault anyone for reacting to a slap but at least understand why it is how it is.

Of course, I don’t expect guys to understand this instinctively because of different experiences and such but trust me!! We have an entire different experience.

This has NOTHING to do with what happened in that video. That woman wasn’t scared and wasn’t being dominated. She hit the guy for no reason because she didn’t think anything would happen. Bitch was wrong. [/quote]

Like I said, I haven’t actually seen the video. I’m speaking to the general injustice that men aren’t permitted to hit women, whether they deserve it or not.

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
Annihilator wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
Annihilator wrote:
The major problem with guys hitting girls and stuff is the law.

If a girl hits a guy, she can’t really go to jail for it and won’t pay the price unless the guy is really hurt.

If a guy hits a girl, he’s gonna get his ass sued.

Anyway, that’s how I see it.

false

Which of my statement do you disagree with? (sorry for my poor writting skills)

I see you aren’t in the US so I don’t know Canadian law, but here in most states it doesn’t matter your sex, in domestic violence the perpetrator is the one taken in by law. The parties do not have the option of not pressing charges. This is because so many women would not press charges and many times would be murdered that night for calling the police in the first place.

Women do and should go to jail for physically abusing anyone.

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I’m talking about domestic abuse here, but only about a single act of violence. It seems that sometimes, men attacking women are taken more seriously than a woman that is attacking a man.

I may be wrong, but that’s only an observation.

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
The man on the game show did what was best. As a man, disrespect and reputation mean everything. ‘Death before dishonor’.

OG, any time a man hits a woman back after being struck by her it is motivated by fear. Fear that he will be less than a man if he allows himself to be disrespected like that, fear that he will be thought of as weak and impotent, fear that if he can’t defend his honor from a woman, than how can he make a place for himself in a world of men?

Physical beatings mean nothing to a man. The guy on the show slept well that night, even if he bled on the sheets. Women are afraid of getting killed, but men have greater fears. We’d like not to be killed, but death is better than being a pussy.

So does a man strike a woman out of fear? Most definitely. If death is forever, then ignominy is at least as long-lasting, and even more prolonged, if there is the rest of a lifetime lived with it, as well.

Vicomte I will respect that that is your opinion, but that is as far as that goes.

That whole “put the bitch in her place for disrespecting me” is an abomination.

“men have greater fears” what a bunch of crap.

the leading cause of death for women is homicide most often perpetrated by the man in their life. Especially for pregnant women.

ah you poor guys, I hope you manage to feel safe at night
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Stop pretending we’re talking about wife-beaters and homicidal maniacs.

That’s called ‘straw man’, you know.

We’re not discussing men who beat women to a pulp, or those that kill women. We’re discussing a single, deserved slap, in response to being struck first.

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[quote]debraD wrote:
I don’t believe that men shouldn’t be allowed to fight back against a crazed banshee throwing punches, I’m saying women aren’t walking around being privileged cunts thinking they can physically assault a man any time they want. There might be some that do, but I haven’t met them (excluding generally crazy women who are not feeling protected but are just fucking insane–I have met them). [/quote]

I think most men would disagree. Women generally have no problems slapping a man over trivial matters. I think this is because they see it done on television.

Man cheats on you with your sister: slap him.

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[quote]Vicomte wrote:
Stop pretending we’re talking about wife-beaters and homicidal maniacs.

That’s called ‘straw man’, you know.

We’re not discussing men who beat women to a pulp, or those that kill women. We’re discussing a single, deserved slap, in response to being struck first.[/quote]

What you’re not getting is that the existence of and our experience with the men who do changes the impact of what you, a non-violent person has.

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[quote]Vicomte wrote:
debraD wrote:
I don’t believe that men shouldn’t be allowed to fight back against a crazed banshee throwing punches, I’m saying women aren’t walking around being privileged cunts thinking they can physically assault a man any time they want. There might be some that do, but I haven’t met them (excluding generally crazy women who are not feeling protected but are just fucking insane–I have met them).

I think most men would disagree. Women generally have no problems slapping a man over trivial matters. I think this is because they see it done on television.

Man cheats on you with your sister: slap him.[/quote]

Well if he has THAT much experience with being slapped then he probably does deserve it :stuck_out_tongue:

Seriously though, I’ve never in my life hit a man that didn’t hit me first. Though I have hit my share.

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Gotta agree with the fact that this isn’t about domestic abuse or assault it’s about the video in the first post. Actual domestic abuse or assault is wrong, whether the guilty party is male or female.

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[quote]Vicomte wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
The man on the game show did what was best. As a man, disrespect and reputation mean everything. ‘Death before dishonor’.

OG, any time a man hits a woman back after being struck by her it is motivated by fear. Fear that he will be less than a man if he allows himself to be disrespected like that, fear that he will be thought of as weak and impotent, fear that if he can’t defend his honor from a woman, than how can he make a place for himself in a world of men?

Physical beatings mean nothing to a man. The guy on the show slept well that night, even if he bled on the sheets. Women are afraid of getting killed, but men have greater fears. We’d like not to be killed, but death is better than being a pussy.

So does a man strike a woman out of fear? Most definitely. If death is forever, then ignominy is at least as long-lasting, and even more prolonged, if there is the rest of a lifetime lived with it, as well.

Vicomte I will respect that that is your opinion, but that is as far as that goes.

That whole “put the bitch in her place for disrespecting me” is an abomination.

“men have greater fears” what a bunch of crap.

the leading cause of death for women is homicide most often perpetrated by the man in their life. Especially for pregnant women.

ah you poor guys, I hope you manage to feel safe at night

Stop pretending we’re talking about wife-beaters and homicidal maniacs.

That’s called ‘straw man’, you know.

We’re not discussing men who beat women to a pulp, or those that kill women. We’re discussing a single, deserved slap, in response to being struck first.[/quote]

It isn’t a Straw Man and I swear that is one of the most over used phrases on this site.

MOST ABUSERS SAY IT IS JUSTIFIED!

Each single slap was caused by something the bitch said or did.

Look at your own attitude. You say your fear of loss of disrespect is of more value than a woman’s fear of being beaten or killed.

Our life experiences are different so it may be we can’t fully appreciate each other’s situation.

Please post your response in the thread if you need to uphold your honor and all that, but if you want to continue the discussion let’s go to PMs. This is really getting drug out and I don’t want to sound like I am nagging.

I am just responding.

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Vicomte, PonceDeLeon and everyone else, I appreciate that you are explaining the male perspective, or at least your personal views, even if I don’t agree.

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
The man on the game show did what was best. As a man, disrespect and reputation mean everything. ‘Death before dishonor’.

OG, any time a man hits a woman back after being struck by her it is motivated by fear. Fear that he will be less than a man if he allows himself to be disrespected like that, fear that he will be thought of as weak and impotent, fear that if he can’t defend his honor from a woman, than how can he make a place for himself in a world of men?

Physical beatings mean nothing to a man. The guy on the show slept well that night, even if he bled on the sheets. Women are afraid of getting killed, but men have greater fears. We’d like not to be killed, but death is better than being a pussy.

So does a man strike a woman out of fear? Most definitely. If death is forever, then ignominy is at least as long-lasting, and even more prolonged, if there is the rest of a lifetime lived with it, as well.

Vicomte I will respect that that is your opinion, but that is as far as that goes.

That whole “put the bitch in her place for disrespecting me” is an abomination.

“men have greater fears” what a bunch of crap.

the leading cause of death for women is homicide most often perpetrated by the man in their life. Especially for pregnant women.

ah you poor guys, I hope you manage to feel safe at night

Stop pretending we’re talking about wife-beaters and homicidal maniacs.

That’s called ‘straw man’, you know.

We’re not discussing men who beat women to a pulp, or those that kill women. We’re discussing a single, deserved slap, in response to being struck first.

It isn’t a Straw Man and I swear that is one of the most over used phrases on this site.

MOST ABUSERS SAY IT IS JUSTIFIED!

Each single slap was caused by something the bitch said or did.

Look at your own attitude. You say your fear of loss of disrespect is of more value than a woman’s fear of being beaten or killed.

Our life experiences are different so it may be we can’t fully appreciate each other’s situation.

Please post your response in the thread if you need to uphold your honor and all that, but if you want to continue the discussion let’s go to PMs. This is really getting drug out and I don’t want to sound like I am nagging.

I am just responding.

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I didn’t say it was of more value absolutely, I said a man’s honor means more to him than his life. A woman’s life means more to her than her honor.

You keep bringing this back to abuse, but that’s not what we’re talking about at all. I’m not talking about claiming justification, I am talking about retaliation after the woman has already struck a man. I am talking about slapping a woman one single time after she has already struck me. I am not talking about further hitting her, killing her, or hitting her without having her done so to me first.

If your previous experiences color your judgment, then that makes sense, but understand that the image you have in your mind has nothing to do with what we’re currently discussing.

You say hitting a woman is never justifiable, I say it is, but only once and only after she has hit me first. That’s it. That’s not ‘abuse’, that’s not an ‘attack’, and it’s not murder.

There’s no need to take this to PMs. We can discuss this here with everyone’s input. I don’t believe you’re nagging, I just think you’re blowing this out of proportion. I am suggesting one thing, and you are taking it to an extreme most men would never consider. If it happened to you, that’s unfortunate, but it’s not the case in this instance, nor is it going to happen any time a man strikes a woman.