Indian TV Host Slapped by Contestant

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:

Vicomte, PonceDeLeon and everyone else, I appreciate that you are explaining the male perspective, or at least your personal views, even if I don’t agree.

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I’m just trying to help you understand what we mean when we say it’s okay for a man to hit a woman. It’s only permissible within very specific parameters. We’re not savages, we’re civilized men. Of course, within any civilization, there are rules. You break them, and you are punished according to the severity of your offense. Obviously a woman is justified in hitting a man if he has hit her first. I am simply suggesting it works both ways.

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do unto others

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i personally think violence transcends any gender issues. watch what would happen to any other species of animal if a smaller creature attacked a larger creature.

now obviously there could be some argument that we can think to a higher degree, but violence OFTEN shuts off our higher thought processes, (ask anyone who has gotten punched in the mouth and “saw red”), also this wasnt a case of being “attacked” in the sense that animals attack each other, but that is most likely because smaller animals dont often go after bigger ones because they know they will be held accountable for their actions…

thats why it was confusing fo me when one girl (who was trying to be cute) explicitly told me to slap her, even after i said “are you sure, i really will…” she got all freaked out when i did… girls, not all girls of course, but some it would seem, for whatever reason think they are untouchable.

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[quote]Vicomte wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
The man on the game show did what was best. As a man, disrespect and reputation mean everything. ‘Death before dishonor’.

OG, any time a man hits a woman back after being struck by her it is motivated by fear. Fear that he will be less than a man if he allows himself to be disrespected like that, fear that he will be thought of as weak and impotent, fear that if he can’t defend his honor from a woman, than how can he make a place for himself in a world of men?

Physical beatings mean nothing to a man. The guy on the show slept well that night, even if he bled on the sheets. Women are afraid of getting killed, but men have greater fears. We’d like not to be killed, but death is better than being a pussy.

So does a man strike a woman out of fear? Most definitely. If death is forever, then ignominy is at least as long-lasting, and even more prolonged, if there is the rest of a lifetime lived with it, as well.

Vicomte I will respect that that is your opinion, but that is as far as that goes.

That whole “put the bitch in her place for disrespecting me” is an abomination.

“men have greater fears” what a bunch of crap.

the leading cause of death for women is homicide most often perpetrated by the man in their life. Especially for pregnant women.

ah you poor guys, I hope you manage to feel safe at night

Stop pretending we’re talking about wife-beaters and homicidal maniacs.

That’s called ‘straw man’, you know.

We’re not discussing men who beat women to a pulp, or those that kill women. We’re discussing a single, deserved slap, in response to being struck first.

It isn’t a Straw Man and I swear that is one of the most over used phrases on this site.

MOST ABUSERS SAY IT IS JUSTIFIED!

Each single slap was caused by something the bitch said or did.

Look at your own attitude. You say your fear of loss of disrespect is of more value than a woman’s fear of being beaten or killed.

Our life experiences are different so it may be we can’t fully appreciate each other’s situation.

Please post your response in the thread if you need to uphold your honor and all that, but if you want to continue the discussion let’s go to PMs. This is really getting drug out and I don’t want to sound like I am nagging.

I am just responding.

I didn’t say it was of more value absolutely, I said a man’s honor means more to him than his life. A woman’s life means more to her than her honor.

You keep bringing this back to abuse, but that’s not what we’re talking about at all. I’m not talking about claiming justification, I am talking about retaliation after the woman has already struck a man. I am talking about slapping a woman one single time after she has already struck me. I am not talking about further hitting her, killing her, or hitting her without having her done so to me first.

If your previous experiences color your judgment, then that makes sense, but understand that the image you have in your mind has nothing to do with what we’re currently discussing.

You say hitting a woman is never justifiable, I say it is, but only once and only after she has hit me first. That’s it. That’s not ‘abuse’, that’s not an ‘attack’, and it’s not murder.

There’s no need to take this to PMs. We can discuss this here with everyone’s input. I don’t believe you’re nagging, I just think you’re blowing this out of proportion. I am suggesting one thing, and you are taking it to an extreme most men would never consider. If it happened to you, that’s unfortunate, but it’s not the case in this instance, nor is it going to happen any time a man strikes a woman.
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I am not blowing it out of proportion.

unfortunately I see your view as part of the problem.

it isn’t alright. I also do not feel it is alright to hit men.

I have worked family law and I have worked domestic violence so it isn’t that I have a colored opinion, I think I have a more informed opinion. How man instances have you encountered? I have spoken with hundreds of victims and so many times it starts with one slap. Or one time the bitch mouthed off to me in front of my friends. It starts small and it grows.

And although this thread started about the video it was the men in here who applied the situation to their lives and to all situations.

And you are not the person to judge how a woman values her honor. If you want to know, ask me. I will answer for me.

This whole thing is just a small part of all that is ugly that is happening in the world. Those who talk about respect but act like gutter toughs? Man or woman? It is just a devolution of acting with a bit of courtesy and respect.

The women I am around do not slap their men or call each other bitches or say “what’s up HO” and the men do not hit women. The men in my family and the men of my acquaintance would thankfully school any man that hit a woman and they witnessed the event. Whether or not the woman hit first. Cops would be called, things would be sorted, but striking a woman would not be allowed.

Manners and social miens are a goner and it is a shame. We’ve lost so much.

so unless you are in danger of your life or radical physical harm than just get away.

It isn’t honor if you are reacting, not thinking for yourself. It’s being a coward for not doing the right thing because you are a panty waste afraid of what people think.

You say most men would not even consider what I suggest but the number one cause of death for women is homicide at the hand of a man in their life, and that is even more so for pregnant women.

So let’s not say I blow one slap out of proportion because physical violence in most cases escalates. Once you get people telling you it was fine you apply that again and again and again. “yah man you were right to slap the bitch back” Great bunch of buddies you got there.

Do we think you and I are going to change each other’s opinion on this?

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While I’d never hit a girl that im dating, even though I’ve been slapped twice and punched in the face once, I sure as hell didnt do anything back.

But in that situation, where basically some stranger bitch slaps me in the face? I’d slap her right the hell back too, if she punched me, she’d better have good dental insurance.

You reap what you sow.

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[quote]Tyrant wrote:
While I’d never hit a girl that im dating, even though I’ve been slapped twice and punched in the face once, I sure as hell didnt do anything back.

But in that situation, where basically some stranger bitch slaps me in the face? I’d slap her right the hell back too, if she punched me, she’d better have good dental insurance.

You reap what you sow. [/quote]

See Vicomte, they aren’t limiting their responses to the video so don’t condemn me for not limiting my response.

and hey Tyrant, do you think if we had the women on here talk about how they had been beaten and sexually abused, it might be a pretty long list?

I am hopeful that you recovered from your attacks.

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The woman is pissed because she is looking for a reaction from the men, and not getting one. I admire the class the men show by not giving in to her taunting. She continues further, trying to egg them on, but still no reaction from the men. Seeing she has no other alternative, she slaps to get what she wants.

Now I don’t condone violence in general, but in this case, she deserved what she got. Normally I would say that violence is ok only when your life is threatened. There is also a time and place where you have to let someone know that you cannot talk to me like I don’t have any nuts. This can be achieved through different ways, but in this case, where she is clearly the aggressor, she deserved some shit. As Bernie Mac would say, there will be some furniture moving up in here.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
The woman is pissed because she is looking for a reaction from the men, and not getting one. I admire the class the men show by not giving in to her taunting. She continues further, trying to egg them on, but still no reaction from the men. Seeing she has no other alternative, she slaps to get what she wants.

Now I don’t condone violence in general, but in this case, she deserved what she got. Normally I would say that violence is ok only when your life is threatened. There is also a time and place where you have to let someone know that you cannot talk to me like I don’t have any nuts. This can be achieved through different ways, but in this case, where she is clearly the aggressor, she deserved some shit. As Bernie Mac would say, there will be some furniture moving up in here. [/quote]

See this is also what I am saying. More and more there is this demise and acceptance.

and then you get all your buddies saying it’s okay to hit women, she deserved it. So next time you have to let someone know you cannot talk to me like that, it’s easier.

you’ve all made your point about how you handle those bitches

I think I got it

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
The woman is pissed because she is looking for a reaction from the men, and not getting one. I admire the class the men show by not giving in to her taunting. She continues further, trying to egg them on, but still no reaction from the men. Seeing she has no other alternative, she slaps to get what she wants.

Now I don’t condone violence in general, but in this case, she deserved what she got. Normally I would say that violence is ok only when your life is threatened. There is also a time and place where you have to let someone know that you cannot talk to me like I don’t have any nuts. This can be achieved through different ways, but in this case, where she is clearly the aggressor, she deserved some shit. As Bernie Mac would say, there will be some furniture moving up in here.

See this is also what I am saying. More and more there is this demise and acceptance.

and then you get all your buddies saying it’s okay to hit women, she deserved it. So next time you have to let someone know you cannot talk to me like that, it’s easier.

you’ve all made your point about how you handle those bitches

I think I got it

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Talking is one thing, laying hands on someone is a totally different story. If someone wants to talk and yell, that is handled and taken in a totally different context. I don’t think the two can be equated.

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
Vicomte wrote:
The man on the game show did what was best. As a man, disrespect and reputation mean everything. ‘Death before dishonor’.

OG, any time a man hits a woman back after being struck by her it is motivated by fear. Fear that he will be less than a man if he allows himself to be disrespected like that, fear that he will be thought of as weak and impotent, fear that if he can’t defend his honor from a woman, than how can he make a place for himself in a world of men?

Physical beatings mean nothing to a man. The guy on the show slept well that night, even if he bled on the sheets. Women are afraid of getting killed, but men have greater fears. We’d like not to be killed, but death is better than being a pussy.

So does a man strike a woman out of fear? Most definitely. If death is forever, then ignominy is at least as long-lasting, and even more prolonged, if there is the rest of a lifetime lived with it, as well.

Vicomte I will respect that that is your opinion, but that is as far as that goes.

That whole “put the bitch in her place for disrespecting me” is an abomination.

“men have greater fears” what a bunch of crap.

the leading cause of death for women is homicide most often perpetrated by the man in their life. Especially for pregnant women.

ah you poor guys, I hope you manage to feel safe at night

Stop pretending we’re talking about wife-beaters and homicidal maniacs.

That’s called ‘straw man’, you know.

We’re not discussing men who beat women to a pulp, or those that kill women. We’re discussing a single, deserved slap, in response to being struck first.

It isn’t a Straw Man and I swear that is one of the most over used phrases on this site.

MOST ABUSERS SAY IT IS JUSTIFIED!

Each single slap was caused by something the bitch said or did.

Look at your own attitude. You say your fear of loss of disrespect is of more value than a woman’s fear of being beaten or killed.

Our life experiences are different so it may be we can’t fully appreciate each other’s situation.

Please post your response in the thread if you need to uphold your honor and all that, but if you want to continue the discussion let’s go to PMs. This is really getting drug out and I don’t want to sound like I am nagging.

I am just responding.

I didn’t say it was of more value absolutely, I said a man’s honor means more to him than his life. A woman’s life means more to her than her honor.

You keep bringing this back to abuse, but that’s not what we’re talking about at all. I’m not talking about claiming justification, I am talking about retaliation after the woman has already struck a man. I am talking about slapping a woman one single time after she has already struck me. I am not talking about further hitting her, killing her, or hitting her without having her done so to me first.

If your previous experiences color your judgment, then that makes sense, but understand that the image you have in your mind has nothing to do with what we’re currently discussing.

You say hitting a woman is never justifiable, I say it is, but only once and only after she has hit me first. That’s it. That’s not ‘abuse’, that’s not an ‘attack’, and it’s not murder.

There’s no need to take this to PMs. We can discuss this here with everyone’s input. I don’t believe you’re nagging, I just think you’re blowing this out of proportion. I am suggesting one thing, and you are taking it to an extreme most men would never consider. If it happened to you, that’s unfortunate, but it’s not the case in this instance, nor is it going to happen any time a man strikes a woman.

I am not blowing it out of proportion.

unfortunately I see your view as part of the problem.

it isn’t alright. I also do not feel it is alright to hit men.

I have worked family law and I have worked domestic violence so it isn’t that I have a colored opinion, I think I have a more informed opinion. How man instances have you encountered? I have spoken with hundreds of victims and so many times it starts with one slap. Or one time the bitch mouthed off to me in front of my friends. It starts small and it grows.

And although this thread started about the video it was the men in here who applied the situation to their lives and to all situations.

And you are not the person to judge how a woman values her honor. If you want to know, ask me. I will answer for me.

This whole thing is just a small part of all that is ugly that is happening in the world. Those who talk about respect but act like gutter toughs? Man or woman? It is just a devolution of acting with a bit of courtesy and respect.

The women I am around do not slap their men or call each other bitches or say “what’s up HO” and the men do not hit women. The men in my family and the men of my acquaintance would thankfully school any man that hit a woman and they witnessed the event. Whether or not the woman hit first. Cops would be called, things would be sorted, but striking a woman would not be allowed.

Manners and social miens are a goner and it is a shame. We’ve lost so much.

so unless you are in danger of your life or radical physical harm than just get away.

It isn’t honor if you are reacting, not thinking for yourself. It’s being a coward for not doing the right thing because you are a panty waste afraid of what people think.

You say most men would not even consider what I suggest but the number one cause of death for women is homicide at the hand of a man in their life, and that is even more so for pregnant women.

So let’s not say I blow one slap out of proportion because physical violence in most cases escalates. Once you get people telling you it was fine you apply that again and again and again. “yah man you were right to slap the bitch back” Great bunch of buddies you got there.

Do we think you and I are going to change each other’s opinion on this?

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It’s never about changing opinions. No one’s opinion has ever nor will ever change.

Again, you provide examples contrary to my specific scenario. I’m not talking about the time the bitch mouthed off.

And how does a woman value her honor, OG? Would you give your life for your honor? Would you rather fight and be beaten bloody then walk away unharmed?

If your male friends would school a man who hit a woman, even if he hit her first, why would they not school the woman as well? Girls get free shots, then?

Doing the right thing is subjective, but any man will tell you what a coward is, and it’s not the guy that turns his cheek and walk away from confrontation. That’s a convenient excuse pussified modern men use for heir cowardice. You don’t think it takes balls to strike a woman when you know how society will see it? It’s not politically correct, to be sure, but it is right. I’ve never been in a real fight, but I can tell you that in every altercation of any kind I have been in, it would have been very easy to simply walk away like a bitch. Have I walked away some times? Yes, and it always weighs on my conscience.

The whole ‘be a bigger man’ thing is bullshit taught to kids by mothers and fathers raised by mothers. My father never told me to ‘walk away like a bigger man’. He told me not to take shit from anybody, because then you eat it for the rest of your life. I don’t expect a woman to understand that.

And the number one cause of death for women isn’t homicide, obviously.

You think this kind of ‘violence’ escalates because you worked in a situation where the only cases you saw were where escalation occurred. You never hear about the guys who slapped their girlfriends after they were slapped by them, because it ends there, usually.

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:smiley:

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
OctoberGirl wrote:
MaximusB wrote:
The woman is pissed because she is looking for a reaction from the men, and not getting one. I admire the class the men show by not giving in to her taunting. She continues further, trying to egg them on, but still no reaction from the men. Seeing she has no other alternative, she slaps to get what she wants.

Now I don’t condone violence in general, but in this case, she deserved what she got. Normally I would say that violence is ok only when your life is threatened. There is also a time and place where you have to let someone know that you cannot talk to me like I don’t have any nuts. This can be achieved through different ways, but in this case, where she is clearly the aggressor, she deserved some shit. As Bernie Mac would say, there will be some furniture moving up in here.

See this is also what I am saying. More and more there is this demise and acceptance.

and then you get all your buddies saying it’s okay to hit women, she deserved it. So next time you have to let someone know you cannot talk to me like that, it’s easier.

you’ve all made your point about how you handle those bitches

I think I got it

Talking is one thing, laying hands on someone is a totally different story. If someone wants to talk and yell, that is handled and taken in a totally different context. I don’t think the two can be equated.

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I was quoting your words… check your own post

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[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:
I actually didn’t post this to spark some debate. I thought the “HOW CAN SHE SLAP??” was hilarious and my friends and I have been texting each other with this line for the past few days.[/quote]

It is hilarious, you think I’m not sitting here giggling like schoolgirl?

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No one should be hitting anyone else. Period. If you decide to cross that line, don’t be surprised is the other person decides to cross that same line. And remember, who threw the first slap.

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[quote]OctoberGirl wrote:
Tyrant wrote:
While I’d never hit a girl that im dating, even though I’ve been slapped twice and punched in the face once, I sure as hell didnt do anything back.

But in that situation, where basically some stranger bitch slaps me in the face? I’d slap her right the hell back too, if she punched me, she’d better have good dental insurance.

You reap what you sow.

See Vicomte, they aren’t limiting their responses to the video so don’t condemn me for not limiting my response.

and hey Tyrant, do you think if we had the women on here talk about how they had been beaten and sexually abused, it might be a pretty long list?

I am hopeful that you recovered from your attacks.

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What Tyrant said just adds weight to my argument. Women feel they are ‘safe’ with their boyfriends, and they feel that they can hit them without repercussion. I would never hit my girlfriend, and she should show the same courtesy to me. If she violates this trust, there are consequences.

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[quote]MaximusB wrote:
No one should be hitting anyone else. Period. If you decide to cross that line, don’t be surprised is the other person decides to cross that same line. And remember, who threw the first slap.[/quote]

Endey fuckin’ storey.

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[quote]PonceDeLeon wrote:
I actually didn’t post this to spark some debate. I thought the “HOW CAN SHE SLAP??” was hilarious and my friends and I have been texting each other with this line for the past few days.[/quote]

It is hilarious, you think I’m not sitting here giggling like schoolgirl?

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For the record, if debra wants to hit me, I will non-violently dominate her and make her clean my room.

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[quote]Vicomte wrote:

It’s never about changing opinions. No one’s opinion has ever nor will ever change.

Again, you provide examples contrary to my specific scenario. I’m not talking about the time the bitch mouthed off.

And how does a woman value her honor, OG? Would you give your life for your honor? Would you rather fight and be beaten bloody then walk away unharmed?

If your male friends would school a man who hit a woman, even if he hit her first, why would they not school the woman as well? Girls get free shots, then?

Doing the right thing is subjective, but any man will tell you what a coward is, and it’s not the guy that turns his cheek and walk away from confrontation. That’s a convenient excuse pussified modern men use for heir cowardice. You don’t think it takes balls to strike a woman when you know how society will see it? It’s not politically correct, to be sure, but it is right. I’ve never been in a real fight, but I can tell you that in every altercation of any kind I have been in, it would have been very easy to simply walk away like a bitch. Have I walked away some times? Yes, and it always weighs on my conscience.

The whole ‘be a bigger man’ thing is bullshit taught to kids by mothers and fathers raised by mothers. My father never told me to ‘walk away like a bigger man’. He told me not to take shit from anybody, because then you eat it for the rest of your life. I don’t expect a woman to understand that.

And the number one cause of death for women isn’t homicide, obviously.

You think this kind of ‘violence’ escalates because you worked in a situation where the only cases you saw were where escalation occurred. You never hear about the guys who slapped their girlfriends after they were slapped by them, because it ends there, usually.[/quote]

I knew you wouldn’t take it to PMs because you need to show everyone that you can school me. So predictable.

“I don’t expect a woman to understand that.”

then why bother trying to explain.

and no, I am not basing it JUST on my family law experience. I know a lot of women in my personal life that excuse male abuse by “he was only shaking me” or by “well I shouldn’t have changed his radio” so please, let’s not put it that so many of you men show restraint.

You paint a picture of all these women abusing men. I don’t see the same picture.

No the men in my life would not personally school the woman, they would hand her over the authorities. And before you call the men in my life pussies, you should know they are marines and special forces so not exactly pussies. And my dad is from Watts, I hate to cast aspersions, but not exactly a gentle and cuddly place to grow up.

You seem to feel as if women have no honor. You really have no clue. I have fought, you who have never even been in a fight, I have fought for my life and fought for my honor and been hospitalized for it. So you and I are not on an equal playing field. For you it is all theory.

But there isn’t a point to this. We can go point by point, but for what reason?

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[quote]Vicomte wrote:
It’s never about changing opinions. No one’s opinion has ever nor will ever change.

Again, you provide examples contrary to my specific scenario. I’m not talking about the time the bitch mouthed off.

And how does a woman value her honor, OG? Would you give your life for your honor? Would you rather fight and be beaten bloody then walk away unharmed?

If your male friends would school a man who hit a woman, even if he hit her first, why would they not school the woman as well? Girls get free shots, then?

Doing the right thing is subjective, but any man will tell you what a coward is, and it’s not the guy that turns his cheek and walk away from confrontation. That’s a convenient excuse pussified modern men use for heir cowardice. You don’t think it takes balls to strike a woman when you know how society will see it? It’s not politically correct, to be sure, but it is right. I’ve never been in a real fight, but I can tell you that in every altercation of any kind I have been in, it would have been very easy to simply walk away like a bitch. Have I walked away some times? Yes, and it always weighs on my conscience.

The whole ‘be a bigger man’ thing is bullshit taught to kids by mothers and fathers raised by mothers. My father never told me to ‘walk away like a bigger man’. He told me not to take shit from anybody, because then you eat it for the rest of your life. I don’t expect a woman to understand that.

And the number one cause of death for women isn’t homicide, obviously.

You think this kind of ‘violence’ escalates because you worked in a situation where the only cases you saw were where escalation occurred. You never hear about the guys who slapped their girlfriends after they were slapped by them, because it ends there, usually.[/quote]

Your telling me you’ve never been in a real fight but you want to educate us on the pussification of men? Get the fuck out of here. What the fuck do you know about violence anyways??? You’ve obviously never experienced it. Pussification indeed.