[quote]DJS wrote:
It seems so painfully obvious that everyone is different. There is no end all be all diet for all. Hell, If I just look at myself… back in high school after I gained the first 25 lb from lifting and eating I couldn’t gain any more. My metabolism was very fast and I would eat two lunches every day at school, a huge dinner, and a bowl of ice cream before i went to bed every night.
Fast foward 15 years I’m 40 lbs heavier. But I can’t eat anything like that now or I’d be a fat fuck. And I’m the same person with the same DNA. I can’t follow a bulking or cutting diet designed for my former self let alone someone else.
That being said, to try and get some more good info into this thread… knowing that everyone is different, what do people recomend as good macro ranges for bodybuilding. I said “ranges” as to not pigeon hole it into one perfect macro breakdown for all. Or if some preffer, what macro breakdowns to stay away from… Macro breakdown is so important but i don’t think its discussed enough.[/quote]
I look best eating moderate-high carbs/1.5g/lb Protein/moderate-low fat while doing high volume training. I feel best with lower carbs/same protein/high fat and slightly less training volume. I rarely eat high carbs because I just dont like eating carbs unless theyre god afwul carbs like fried twinkies with chocolate fondue
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
I just dont like eating carbs unless theyre god afwul carbs like fried twinkies with chocolate fondue[/quote]
Fried Twinkies are insane.
My wife is an Insurance agent and one of her clients owns a crazy fatburger joint where the specialty is crazy desserts like fried oreos and twinkies - that shit is a fat/sugar bomb like no other.
Awesome though. Only had it once when she delivered policy and got a bunch of complimentary food, but that was enough.
I typically have a pile of sandwiches after a workout when I’m dirty bulking. The only time I’ve ever done an all out bulk, dirty or not, was two summers ago and I put on about 15 lbs in 3 months without much fat. I just ate as much ground beef and eggs as I could stomach and it worked wonders.
I felt almost sick from being so full all the time but it finally got my skinny ass on its way from being 170 to 185, and eventually 200. And if it weren’t for the fact that I’m breaking even with income and expenses I’d probably do it again right now. I’m so broke I’ve had the same creatine in my socks for two weeks now and it’s starting to smell, but I know we’ve all been there.
[quote]LiquidMercury wrote:
Gregon, absolute homo, you blew up. No homo? That’s what she said.[/quote]
hahaha I fully attribute it to my 2k ERG warm ups :)[/quote]
That’s cool you’re into rowing, what’s your 2k time?[/quote]
nothing good man… I do it as a warm up before my workouts. I usually row a 7:40ish time. Nothing good but its not an all out 2K cause its the first thing I do when I get to the gym (after stretching) I have no idea what an all out 2K would be? I just like how I get a sweat going, get warmed up and get the blood flowing[/quote]
See told ya that you should do an actual 2k test. People want to know. True story. [/quote]
Haha, I was just curious. I’m going to give a 2k warm up a try myself in the near future --wanted to make sure it didn’t take too damn long!
[quote]Professor X wrote:
That may be why some of the slow ones think that one of us stating we don’t eat “chicken and rice” somehow means we are telling everyone to eat cake.
Some people are smart enough to get this. Others…[/quote]
[quote]LiquidMercury wrote:
Gregon, absolute homo, you blew up. No homo? That’s what she said.[/quote]
hahaha I fully attribute it to my 2k ERG warm ups :)[/quote]
That’s cool you’re into rowing, what’s your 2k time?[/quote]
nothing good man… I do it as a warm up before my workouts. I usually row a 7:40ish time. Nothing good but its not an all out 2K cause its the first thing I do when I get to the gym (after stretching) I have no idea what an all out 2K would be? I just like how I get a sweat going, get warmed up and get the blood flowing[/quote]
See told ya that you should do an actual 2k test. People want to know. True story. [/quote]
Haha, I was just curious. I’m going to give a 2k warm up a try myself in the near future --wanted to make sure it didn’t take too damn long![/quote]
I felt almost sick from being so full all the time but it finally got my skinny ass on its way from being 170 to 185, and eventually 200. And if it weren’t for the fact that I’m breaking even with income and expenses I’d probably do it again right now. I’m so broke I’ve had the same creatine in my socks for two weeks now and it’s starting to smell, but I know we’ve all been there.[/quote]
I felt almost sick from being so full all the time but it finally got my skinny ass on its way from being 170 to 185, and eventually 200. And if it weren’t for the fact that I’m breaking even with income and expenses I’d probably do it again right now. I’m so broke I’ve had the same creatine in my socks for two weeks now and it’s starting to smell, but I know we’ve all been there.[/quote]
creatine in your socks???
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yeah man. u didnt know??
i guess that splains your calves then. 5g in each sock. And soak your balls in fish oil for teh cutz
I felt almost sick from being so full all the time but it finally got my skinny ass on its way from being 170 to 185, and eventually 200. And if it weren’t for the fact that I’m breaking even with income and expenses I’d probably do it again right now. I’m so broke I’ve had the same creatine in my socks for two weeks now and it’s starting to smell, but I know we’ve all been there.[/quote]
creatine in your socks???
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yeah man. u didnt know??
i guess that splains your calves then. 5g in each sock. And soak your balls in fish oil for teh cutz[/quote]
ohhhhh got ya. heard lines of glutamine help ya grow an inch or two if ur interested.
I need to stay away from this thread, too many images of food’s I can’t touch for another three weeks!
“That being said, to try and get some more good info into this thread… knowing that everyone is different, what do people recomend as good macro ranges for bodybuilding. I said “ranges” as to not pigeon hole it into one perfect macro breakdown for all. Or if some preffer, what macro breakdowns to stay away from… Macro breakdown is so important but i don’t think its discussed enough.”
Good post DJS, I’ve always opted for a high carb 2g/lb, moderate protein/fat intake – 30P/45C/25F to be precise. However, I’ll probably mix things up in the off-season and play around with other macro break downs.
I think that high carb is great for initial gains, I’ll probably try a middle of the road approach like Bones and sioux. I’d like to see how I’d fair on a 33/33/33 diet, or something in that neighborhood! Bulking on eggs and ground beef sounds like it’s relatively cost efficient and effective.
Before I will have 300 views of my profile I need to clarify something…
About 2 months ago I changed my mind about what’s good FOR ME. I cleaned everything in my diet and in 1 month I easily gained 15 lbs. I also go over 15% of BF (before 12%). So even now, on my “clean” diet, I’m not the leanest person (AND AFTER THIS THREAD I FINALLY REALIZE WHY). I can easily eat about 5000-6000 calories in that form (and that’s not only “rice & chicken”, but I wrote about that before). That’s also much cheaper for me than eating on the city. I also wrote about cakes, cookies, kebabs and hamburgers in the same line, because in my country that’s all SHIT (sorry, that’s my mistake).
[b]So I thought that I should wrote about this here, WITH GOOD BELIEFS.
And the worst thing for me is that I’m now the “one who loves hawt ABZ, who is scary about off-season BBers, who is anti everything what is more hardcore than eating chicken’s breasts and doing crunches bla bla bla…” well, that’s not me! but obviously after this discussion you have right to think otherwise.
At the end I also must to say that, unfortunately I’m the one who better tolerate food that I call - “clean”. I feel better from this, and all is going much better with this in my stomach. Probably because of my genetics or my health, I don’t know… but I can be only one here, and I understood this
Oh, not so quickly. I talked with young BB in Poland - Mateusz B*****. He told me everything about what you all said to me yesterday. So I think that I should write about it, and maybe more people will understand it as well as I did.
that’s him in 2008. He was very poor, without contract, money etc. he didn’t know anything about nutritions also. He ate daily about 500g of cottage cheese, 15 ALL eggs, a lots of processed cheese, cookies, and 1 or 2 meats daily & one protein shake, potatoes, etc. In one word - things that I call a CRAP.
[quote]Simonidas wrote:
that’s him in 2008. He was very poor, without contract, money etc. he didn’t know anything about nutritions also. He ate daily about 500g of cottage cheese, 15 ALL eggs, a lots of processed cheese, cookies, and 1 or 2 meats daily & one protein shake, potatoes, etc. In one word - things that I call a CRAP. [/quote]
Other than the cookies, I’d call that a pretty clean poor man’s diet. Sounds a lot like what I have to do sometimes in grad school. Interesting that you think that’s crap, even with the D grade meat quality you described…
that’s Mateusz B***** in 2010. He sign a contract and he is preparing to a “young prospect show”, he have money and a lots of time. He eat daily:
breakfast - chicken breast, amino acid, protein shake. Fruits
dinner - rice, chicken, protein
before bed - fishes, protein.
and lots of other stuff but I don’t have time to write. So I will say that he takes also carbs in supplement, hydrolyzed proteins etc. etc. He don’t eat cookies, city stuff, all things that I called dirty. He also take much more calories here (about 4500)
He looks way worst, he is not so lean and he eat a GREAT FOOD & GREAT SUPPLEMENTS.
[quote]Simonidas wrote:
that’s him in 2008. He was very poor, without contract, money etc. he didn’t know anything about nutritions also. He ate daily about 500g of cottage cheese, 15 ALL eggs, a lots of processed cheese, cookies, and 1 or 2 meats daily & one protein shake, potatoes, etc. In one word - things that I call a CRAP. [/quote]
Other than the cookies, I’d call that a pretty clean poor man’s diet. Sounds a lot like what I have to do sometimes in grad school. Interesting that you think that’s crap, even with the D grade meat quality you described…[/quote]
yeah, U should also know that this meat was form newspapers & chicken skins
All I just tried to say, is that he was ripped in more crap diet, than he is now (when he eat good food). So you have right people.
I talked to him today and it was so obvious example for what you have all said that it’s even scarry me actually…
[quote]Simonidas wrote:
that’s him in 2008. He was very poor, without contract, money etc. he didn’t know anything about nutritions also. He ate daily about 500g of cottage cheese, 15 ALL eggs, a lots of processed cheese, cookies, and 1 or 2 meats daily & one protein shake, potatoes, etc. In one word - things that I call a CRAP. [/quote]
Other than the cookies, I’d call that a pretty clean poor man’s diet. Sounds a lot like what I have to do sometimes in grad school. Interesting that you think that’s crap, even with the D grade meat quality you described…[/quote]
yeah, U should also know that this meat was form newspapers & chicken skins
All I just tried to say, is that he was ripped in more crap diet, than he is now (when he eat good food). So you have right people.
I talked to him today and it was so obvious example for what you have all said that it’s even scarry me actually… [/quote]
You also may want to consider that he may not be as lean in that second photo because he may not be about to participate in a bodybuilding show in the immediate future (< 3 weeks)… Could just be his offseason bulking
yes he is… but it’s also reason why I post it. He looked ripped when he ate hamburgers (and take less calories), and he goes up with BF with “rice & chicken” (but with more CALORIES).
So people CAN BE LEAN ACTUALLY EATING HAMBURGERS (if they have deficit of calories). And also CAN BULK on clean diet (when calories goes up). And HE IS LIVING EXAMPLE of that (well, he is not a fat ass!)…
