I'm Happy That I Dirty Bulked

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[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:

[quote]Sarev0k wrote:

[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:

[quote]Sarev0k wrote:
Heres me now at 235, 11-12% bodyfat. I was 196 and ~8% at my lowest about 3 or 4 months ago… [/quote]

Do you have a training log on here, by any chance?

[/quote]

I did, back about a year ago. I started a log when I was at 252, my original attempt at cutting down some fat.

I tried a ketogenic diet at first, mostly because ACTrain told me he had some success with it, as did I. My body reaped the benefits at first, still calorie-cycling style(high on training days, low on off days). I lost 20 lbs of almost pure fat! But after 2 months of it, my body’s immune system was lacking, and I got the flu, ended up taking off 2 WEEKS of training. I recovered, and about a month later, my aunt died and I just felt mentally incapacitated.

I never got what people meant when they said “Blood Sweat Tears” until that month. So I decided to push harder and harder instead of collapse. I gained back what muscle I lost in a month of recuperation, and continued to diet down, this time, carbs reintroduced into my diet. Carb-Cycling style. Got down to 196 Extremely lean. So lean that my feet hurt while walking due to lack of fat.

You feel like complete shit when you’re not eating as much, but what happens to your body is amazing. I had to cancel my show around sept. because of my wedding plans, so I took advantage of the rebound effect and “bulked” up to where I am now. I want to add as much mass as I can now, still carb cycling, and do my first BB show either in Spring or Summer.[/quote]

Did you get married then? If so, congrats! (welcome to the club, although I guess you did it before me lol)

If you like, start a new log… I’ll try to follow along and see how your training is going.

[/quote]

You’re such a kind son of a bitch.

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[quote]XanderBuilt wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
The second half of your post makes me think you didnt understand the point I was trying to make. “Clean” foods are only “clean” because theyre associated with lean people. You can still get fat eating diet food. Vice versa for “dirty” food.

It’s peoples results that make a diet clean or dirty, not the food they eat.
[/quote]

Sorry Bonez, could you explain that last line? I don’t understand :frowning:

Background:

  1. Been eating mostly paleo type since end June this year. Around 3000 calories a day from meat, fish, eggs, nuts, berries, vegetables. Stopped wheat, bread, corn, pasta and all fast food from my diet.
  2. Type 2 Diabetic, testing between 9 to 11 mmol/L fasted with medication, after the diet (and exercise) dropped to 4 to 6 mmol/L fasted. Reduced medication this past month and tested between 4.5 to 7 mmol/L fasted.
  3. Supplements - zinc, magnesium, 20g fish oil, multi vitamins, bcaa/beta alanine for workouts. HCl for digestion.
  4. BF 33/35% to 26.3% (13 point Biosignature BF measurement), 10.7kg fat loss, 2.5kg muscle gain - 20th June to 2nd Oct 2010. 102.5kg currently. 6’ tall.
  5. Training 4 days a week now. 3 day split - push/pull, legs, arms. Functional Hypertrophy program, 6 to 8 reps mostly and 10-12 on the smaller muscle groups, 6 exercises per day.

I’m getting paranoid about what food I eat now because eating what I have controlled my sugar level. My carb level is low (maybe 100g a day). Don’t know whether to increase it or not. Been eating “clean” - don’t know if it’s the way to go? Add more carbs?

Sorry if it seems like I’m diverting the thread from Sarev0k’s success, the question of clean vs dirty has bugged me for a long time. Just wondering if my body is more sensitive to change because of the Type 2 diabetes and I just have to be more careful/structured/strict on what I eat? etc. Thanks.[/quote]

It’s a simple concept. He’s talking about the law of thermodymanics and how it applies to losing/gaining weight. I don’t even believe he’s looking at food from a health perspective but from a gaining/losing perspective. “Dirty” foods are really just a label people slap on foods, typically those that are calorically dense i.e. a cheeseburgers. Technically you could eat only cheeseburgers for every meal of the day and still drop weight permitting you were still in a deficit of calories. Likewise, you could gain fat eating only squeeky “clean” foods like chicken breast and rice (although it would be much more difficult since these aren’t calorically dense foods) by simply eating far over your caloric maintenance level. The point is that everyone has their own definition of what food they consider dirty and clean .

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Chi-Towns-Finest wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]LiquidMercury wrote:
Gregon, absolute homo, you blew up. No homo? That’s what she said.[/quote]

hahaha I fully attribute it to my 2k ERG warm ups :)[/quote]

That’s cool you’re into rowing, what’s your 2k time?[/quote]

nothing good man… I do it as a warm up before my workouts. I usually row a 7:40ish time. Nothing good but its not an all out 2K cause its the first thing I do when I get to the gym (after stretching) I have no idea what an all out 2K would be? I just like how I get a sweat going, get warmed up and get the blood flowing[/quote]

See told ya that you should do an actual 2k test. People want to know. True story.

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[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
congrats on getting married dude.[/quote]

Thanks man!

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[quote]Davinci.v2 wrote:

[quote]XanderBuilt wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
The second half of your post makes me think you didnt understand the point I was trying to make. “Clean” foods are only “clean” because theyre associated with lean people. You can still get fat eating diet food. Vice versa for “dirty” food.

It’s peoples results that make a diet clean or dirty, not the food they eat.
[/quote]

Sorry Bonez, could you explain that last line? I don’t understand :frowning:

Background:

  1. Been eating mostly paleo type since end June this year. Around 3000 calories a day from meat, fish, eggs, nuts, berries, vegetables. Stopped wheat, bread, corn, pasta and all fast food from my diet.
  2. Type 2 Diabetic, testing between 9 to 11 mmol/L fasted with medication, after the diet (and exercise) dropped to 4 to 6 mmol/L fasted. Reduced medication this past month and tested between 4.5 to 7 mmol/L fasted.
  3. Supplements - zinc, magnesium, 20g fish oil, multi vitamins, bcaa/beta alanine for workouts. HCl for digestion.
  4. BF 33/35% to 26.3% (13 point Biosignature BF measurement), 10.7kg fat loss, 2.5kg muscle gain - 20th June to 2nd Oct 2010. 102.5kg currently. 6’ tall.
  5. Training 4 days a week now. 3 day split - push/pull, legs, arms. Functional Hypertrophy program, 6 to 8 reps mostly and 10-12 on the smaller muscle groups, 6 exercises per day.

I’m getting paranoid about what food I eat now because eating what I have controlled my sugar level. My carb level is low (maybe 100g a day). Don’t know whether to increase it or not. Been eating “clean” - don’t know if it’s the way to go? Add more carbs?

Sorry if it seems like I’m diverting the thread from Sarev0k’s success, the question of clean vs dirty has bugged me for a long time. Just wondering if my body is more sensitive to change because of the Type 2 diabetes and I just have to be more careful/structured/strict on what I eat? etc. Thanks.[/quote]

It’s a simple concept. He’s talking about the law of thermodymanics and how it applies to losing/gaining weight. I don’t even believe he’s looking at food from a health perspective but from a gaining/losing perspective. “Dirty” foods are really just a label people slap on foods, typically those that are calorically dense i.e. a cheeseburgers. Technically you could eat only cheeseburgers for every meal of the day and still drop weight permitting you were still in a deficit of calories. Likewise, you could gain fat eating only squeeky “clean” foods like chicken breast and rice (although it would be much more difficult since these aren’t calorically dense foods) by simply eating far over your caloric maintenance level. The point is that everyone has their own definition of what food they consider dirty and clean .[/quote]

I am betting there are some people here who don’t understand that simple concept. hey think certain foods are somehow magic…like the jackass acting like “rice and chicken” is the holy grail to a bodybuilding physique…as if they don’t understand that it is about finding what works for their own needs and metabolism.

YES, you can get fat on “chicken and rice”. the most important aspect of your diet is CALORIC INTAKE, not whether your food is “clean” which has no meaning to start with.

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[quote]Davinci.v2 wrote:

[quote]XanderBuilt wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
The second half of your post makes me think you didnt understand the point I was trying to make. “Clean” foods are only “clean” because theyre associated with lean people. You can still get fat eating diet food. Vice versa for “dirty” food.

It’s peoples results that make a diet clean or dirty, not the food they eat.
[/quote]

Sorry Bonez, could you explain that last line? I don’t understand :frowning:

Background:

  1. Been eating mostly paleo type since end June this year. Around 3000 calories a day from meat, fish, eggs, nuts, berries, vegetables. Stopped wheat, bread, corn, pasta and all fast food from my diet.
  2. Type 2 Diabetic, testing between 9 to 11 mmol/L fasted with medication, after the diet (and exercise) dropped to 4 to 6 mmol/L fasted. Reduced medication this past month and tested between 4.5 to 7 mmol/L fasted.
  3. Supplements - zinc, magnesium, 20g fish oil, multi vitamins, bcaa/beta alanine for workouts. HCl for digestion.
  4. BF 33/35% to 26.3% (13 point Biosignature BF measurement), 10.7kg fat loss, 2.5kg muscle gain - 20th June to 2nd Oct 2010. 102.5kg currently. 6’ tall.
  5. Training 4 days a week now. 3 day split - push/pull, legs, arms. Functional Hypertrophy program, 6 to 8 reps mostly and 10-12 on the smaller muscle groups, 6 exercises per day.

I’m getting paranoid about what food I eat now because eating what I have controlled my sugar level. My carb level is low (maybe 100g a day). Don’t know whether to increase it or not. Been eating “clean” - don’t know if it’s the way to go? Add more carbs?

Sorry if it seems like I’m diverting the thread from Sarev0k’s success, the question of clean vs dirty has bugged me for a long time. Just wondering if my body is more sensitive to change because of the Type 2 diabetes and I just have to be more careful/structured/strict on what I eat? etc. Thanks.[/quote]

It’s a simple concept. He’s talking about the law of thermodymanics and how it applies to losing/gaining weight. I don’t even believe he’s looking at food from a health perspective but from a gaining/losing perspective. “Dirty” foods are really just a label people slap on foods, typically those that are calorically dense i.e. a cheeseburgers. Technically you could eat only cheeseburgers for every meal of the day and still drop weight permitting you were still in a deficit of calories. Likewise, you could gain fat eating only squeeky “clean” foods like chicken breast and rice (although it would be much more difficult since these aren’t calorically dense foods) by simply eating far over your caloric maintenance level. The point is that everyone has their own definition of what food they consider dirty and clean .[/quote]

Yes.

I dont recommend eating greasy fatty foods on a routine basis because health is important to virtually everyone. But it’s also possible to be unhealthy by eating an unbalanced diet with “diet food” (chicken, rice only. No minerals, micronutrients, efa’s etc).

MY DEFINITION of dirty food are things like jolly ranchers while laying in bed. There is absolutely nothing positive to be had from eating sugar right before youre falling asleep. Certain people shouldnt be eating candy EVER. But there are people that can eat straight sugar with no problems at all. It may even be beneficial. Guys like Lamar Odom and Mariusz eat bags of candy during the day because theyre freaks. Both of them are in great shape and are elite in their sports, why shouldnt they eat things they enjoy?

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Lamar Odoms well known love affair with candy.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Davinci.v2 wrote:

[quote]XanderBuilt wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
The second half of your post makes me think you didnt understand the point I was trying to make. “Clean” foods are only “clean” because theyre associated with lean people. You can still get fat eating diet food. Vice versa for “dirty” food.

It’s peoples results that make a diet clean or dirty, not the food they eat.
[/quote]

Sorry Bonez, could you explain that last line? I don’t understand :frowning:

Background:

  1. Been eating mostly paleo type since end June this year. Around 3000 calories a day from meat, fish, eggs, nuts, berries, vegetables. Stopped wheat, bread, corn, pasta and all fast food from my diet.
  2. Type 2 Diabetic, testing between 9 to 11 mmol/L fasted with medication, after the diet (and exercise) dropped to 4 to 6 mmol/L fasted. Reduced medication this past month and tested between 4.5 to 7 mmol/L fasted.
  3. Supplements - zinc, magnesium, 20g fish oil, multi vitamins, bcaa/beta alanine for workouts. HCl for digestion.
  4. BF 33/35% to 26.3% (13 point Biosignature BF measurement), 10.7kg fat loss, 2.5kg muscle gain - 20th June to 2nd Oct 2010. 102.5kg currently. 6’ tall.
  5. Training 4 days a week now. 3 day split - push/pull, legs, arms. Functional Hypertrophy program, 6 to 8 reps mostly and 10-12 on the smaller muscle groups, 6 exercises per day.

I’m getting paranoid about what food I eat now because eating what I have controlled my sugar level. My carb level is low (maybe 100g a day). Don’t know whether to increase it or not. Been eating “clean” - don’t know if it’s the way to go? Add more carbs?

Sorry if it seems like I’m diverting the thread from Sarev0k’s success, the question of clean vs dirty has bugged me for a long time. Just wondering if my body is more sensitive to change because of the Type 2 diabetes and I just have to be more careful/structured/strict on what I eat? etc. Thanks.[/quote]

It’s a simple concept. He’s talking about the law of thermodymanics and how it applies to losing/gaining weight. I don’t even believe he’s looking at food from a health perspective but from a gaining/losing perspective. “Dirty” foods are really just a label people slap on foods, typically those that are calorically dense i.e. a cheeseburgers. Technically you could eat only cheeseburgers for every meal of the day and still drop weight permitting you were still in a deficit of calories. Likewise, you could gain fat eating only squeeky “clean” foods like chicken breast and rice (although it would be much more difficult since these aren’t calorically dense foods) by simply eating far over your caloric maintenance level. The point is that everyone has their own definition of what food they consider dirty and clean .[/quote]

I am betting there are some people here who don’t understand that simple concept. hey think certain foods are somehow magic…like the jackass acting like “rice and chicken” is the holy grail to a bodybuilding physique…as if they don’t understand that it is about finding what works for their own needs and metabolism.

YES, you can get fat on “chicken and rice”. the most important aspect of your diet is CALORIC INTAKE, not whether your food is “clean” which has no meaning to start with.[/quote]

Thank you DaVinci and X.

So a calorie = calorie no matter where it comes from. This is an eye opener to me because I’ve tried to draw a clear line between clean and dirty, when in fact now it doesn’t matter. I just have to eat enough of them every day - 3000 cals may not be enough at 6’ and 102+ kgs.

Calorifically/Calorically (?) dense foods is just more calories per gram? i.e. cheeseburger >> rice.

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3000 calories for your height/weight is not nearly enough for a bulk.

And the word you are looking for is caloric :slight_smile:

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
Yes.

I dont recommend eating greasy fatty foods on a routine basis because health is important to virtually everyone. But it’s also possible to be unhealthy by eating an unbalanced diet with “diet food” (chicken, rice only. No minerals, micronutrients, efa’s etc).

MY DEFINITION of dirty food are things like jolly ranchers while laying in bed. There is absolutely nothing positive to be had from eating sugar right before youre falling asleep. Certain people shouldnt be eating candy EVER. But there are people that can eat straight sugar with no problems at all. It may even be beneficial. Guys like Lamar Odom and Mariusz eat bags of candy during the day because theyre freaks. Both of them are in great shape and are elite in their sports, why shouldnt they eat things they enjoy?

[/quote]

Thank you.

I’m certainly one of those people that shouldn’t be eating candy ever (because of my Type 2 Diabetes), and I’ve pegged back a great deal, eating only occasional dark chocolate (55 to 70% cocoa). I’ve also been varying my meats and foods changing what I eat, where I buy it from etc (I still have preferences like chicken over pork but I just cook it differently, eat beef or fish instead, more eggs etc).

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[quote]XanderBuilt wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Davinci.v2 wrote:

[quote]XanderBuilt wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
The second half of your post makes me think you didnt understand the point I was trying to make. “Clean” foods are only “clean” because theyre associated with lean people. You can still get fat eating diet food. Vice versa for “dirty” food.

It’s peoples results that make a diet clean or dirty, not the food they eat.
[/quote]

Sorry Bonez, could you explain that last line? I don’t understand :frowning:

Background:

  1. Been eating mostly paleo type since end June this year. Around 3000 calories a day from meat, fish, eggs, nuts, berries, vegetables. Stopped wheat, bread, corn, pasta and all fast food from my diet.
  2. Type 2 Diabetic, testing between 9 to 11 mmol/L fasted with medication, after the diet (and exercise) dropped to 4 to 6 mmol/L fasted. Reduced medication this past month and tested between 4.5 to 7 mmol/L fasted.
  3. Supplements - zinc, magnesium, 20g fish oil, multi vitamins, bcaa/beta alanine for workouts. HCl for digestion.
  4. BF 33/35% to 26.3% (13 point Biosignature BF measurement), 10.7kg fat loss, 2.5kg muscle gain - 20th June to 2nd Oct 2010. 102.5kg currently. 6’ tall.
  5. Training 4 days a week now. 3 day split - push/pull, legs, arms. Functional Hypertrophy program, 6 to 8 reps mostly and 10-12 on the smaller muscle groups, 6 exercises per day.

I’m getting paranoid about what food I eat now because eating what I have controlled my sugar level. My carb level is low (maybe 100g a day). Don’t know whether to increase it or not. Been eating “clean” - don’t know if it’s the way to go? Add more carbs?

Sorry if it seems like I’m diverting the thread from Sarev0k’s success, the question of clean vs dirty has bugged me for a long time. Just wondering if my body is more sensitive to change because of the Type 2 diabetes and I just have to be more careful/structured/strict on what I eat? etc. Thanks.[/quote]

It’s a simple concept. He’s talking about the law of thermodymanics and how it applies to losing/gaining weight. I don’t even believe he’s looking at food from a health perspective but from a gaining/losing perspective. “Dirty” foods are really just a label people slap on foods, typically those that are calorically dense i.e. a cheeseburgers. Technically you could eat only cheeseburgers for every meal of the day and still drop weight permitting you were still in a deficit of calories. Likewise, you could gain fat eating only squeeky “clean” foods like chicken breast and rice (although it would be much more difficult since these aren’t calorically dense foods) by simply eating far over your caloric maintenance level. The point is that everyone has their own definition of what food they consider dirty and clean .[/quote]

I am betting there are some people here who don’t understand that simple concept. hey think certain foods are somehow magic…like the jackass acting like “rice and chicken” is the holy grail to a bodybuilding physique…as if they don’t understand that it is about finding what works for their own needs and metabolism.

YES, you can get fat on “chicken and rice”. the most important aspect of your diet is CALORIC INTAKE, not whether your food is “clean” which has no meaning to start with.[/quote]

Thank you DaVinci and X.

So a calorie = calorie no matter where it comes from. This is an eye opener to me because I’ve tried to draw a clear line between clean and dirty, when in fact now it doesn’t matter. I just have to eat enough of them every day - 3000 cals may not be enough at 6’ and 102+ kgs.

Calorifically/Calorically (?) dense foods is just more calories per gram? i.e. cheeseburger >> rice.[/quote]

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Absolutely not.

Jesus christ that’s not anything close to what anyone’s said.

Macro ratios 100% matter if looking good and performing well is the goal. BUT your macro ratio could be given to you by jesus christ himself but if you dont eat enough calories you wont grow.

Get the amount of calories you need to grow in check. Then figure out which foods you can and can not eat to look and feel YOUR best.

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[quote]XanderBuilt wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
Yes.

I dont recommend eating greasy fatty foods on a routine basis because health is important to virtually everyone. But it’s also possible to be unhealthy by eating an unbalanced diet with “diet food” (chicken, rice only. No minerals, micronutrients, efa’s etc).

MY DEFINITION of dirty food are things like jolly ranchers while laying in bed. There is absolutely nothing positive to be had from eating sugar right before youre falling asleep. Certain people shouldnt be eating candy EVER. But there are people that can eat straight sugar with no problems at all. It may even be beneficial. Guys like Lamar Odom and Mariusz eat bags of candy during the day because theyre freaks. Both of them are in great shape and are elite in their sports, why shouldnt they eat things they enjoy?

[/quote]

Thank you.

I’m certainly one of those people that shouldn’t be eating candy ever (because of my Type 2 Diabetes), and I’ve pegged back a great deal, eating only occasional dark chocolate (55 to 70% cocoa). I’ve also been varying my meats and foods changing what I eat, where I buy it from etc (I still have preferences like chicken over pork but I just cook it differently, eat beef or fish instead, more eggs etc).[/quote]

Good.

Diabetics should definitely understand that their methods of gaining and losing fat/muscle HAVE to be tailored to their condition.

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[quote]SuperSonic wrote:
3000 calories for your height/weight is not nearly enough for a bulk.

And the word you are looking for is caloric :)[/quote]

That’s an English FAIL for me. Should have used spell check. Thanks :wink:

I’m just trying to “plot” what my calorie intake is going to be like. I’ll keep the numbers simple (not half kilos/pounds etc).

Current 227lbs at 26% BF. Wants to reach 225lbs at 15% BF (say).

  1. Bulk first till LBM reaches 192lbs (168lb LBM). At 26% BF (assuming it’s constant), total body weight would be 260lbs.
  2. Then cut till BF% reaches 15%.

Neither action is going to be perfect (I’m bound to add BF and lose muscle mass which are worse case scenarios) and I believe it will be trial and error along the way. Basically out of this I want to understand calorie intake better for my current body. I’m almost reluctant to post this because I don’t know if this is the right way to think, but I won’t know if I don’t ask it. Thanks.

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I think that your situation, as a diabetic, is different. Staying at 26% bodyfat isnt adviseable for MOST people, certainly not a diabetic. Im not a doctor, but Im confident that all doctors would agree that diabetics are healthier and can have a better handle on their blood sugar with lower body fat %.

The typical advice of “bulk until you are unhappy with the mirror” shouldnt be followed 100% of the time. Diabetics are an exception IMO.

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
I think that your situation, as a diabetic, is different. Staying at 26% bodyfat isnt adviseable for MOST people, certainly not a diabetic. Im not a doctor, but Im confident that all doctors would agree that diabetics are healthier and can have a better handle on their blood sugar with lower body fat %.

The typical advice of “bulk until you are unhappy with the mirror” shouldnt be followed 100% of the time. Diabetics are an exception IMO. [/quote]

Yes you’re 100% right - doctors however (the ones I’ve had to meet) always have told me to lose weight (just lose weight they dont care about muscle mass, just lose weight). Their nutrition advice is dont eat fried food, sugar food, soft drinks - here’s a calorie chart to help you. If sugar is too high they increase dosage (metformin or whatever).

My body is compromised through both what I did to it growing up and hereditary, I’ve used up a lot of my insulin stores (not injecting daily as yet). Weight training was the only thing that I enjoyed that kept sugar in check. I know there’s a link between the body’s Insulin secretion, Muscle Building, controlling blood sugar and being diabetic - and I’m just trying to take what little advantage I can from it. Sorry if that sounded like a rant.

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
I think that your situation, as a diabetic, is different. Staying at 26% bodyfat isnt adviseable for MOST people, certainly not a diabetic. Im not a doctor, but Im confident that all doctors would agree that diabetics are healthier and can have a better handle on their blood sugar with lower body fat %.

The typical advice of “bulk until you are unhappy with the mirror” shouldnt be followed 100% of the time. Diabetics are an exception IMO. [/quote]

Not only that, but people will get nowhere is they can’t understand that the body is a complex machine. What works for that guy may not work for you and you won’t know that without trying it.

Some of these guys seem to be looking for blanket simple answers for complex situations as if the human body is easily classified in only one box.

No, all calories are not the same, but that doesn’t mean the skinny beginner needs to be only focused on “chicken and rice” as if his most important concern isn’t whether he is eating enough food overall.

For guys who need more calories than usual, they may be able to get away with eating foods that others can’t.

This concept seems to advanced for some to grasp.

That may be why some of the slow ones think that one of us stating we don’t eat “chicken and rice” somehow means we are telling everyone to eat cake.

Some people are smart enough to get this. Others…

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
That may be why some of the slow ones think that one of us stating we don’t eat “chicken and rice” somehow means we are telling everyone to eat cake.

[/quote]

So, I should eat cake then?

Well, ok - but only because YOU told me to!

Question: Can it be any type of cake? Or are there specific types that are more anabolic than others?

You think Carvel ice cream cake is best? Cause I really like those little crunchy things…

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Speaking of chicken and rice, for breakfast I had leftover chicken marsala, parslied rice, and garliced green beans…Fucking love moms cooking.

Anyways, I think too many people see bulk and think let me grab the cheez its and cookies…That’s why I try to advocate “cleaner” eating because if they eat that way most of the time and then indulge a little bit they’d be fine, but everyone takes things to the extreme. Burgers, tacos, chicken fingers all that shit can be successfully used in bulking, hell even one a cut I’d eat those things at times. Just need to make sure your macro breakdowns are in order.

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[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
let me grab the cheez its and cookies…That’s why I try to advocate “cleaner” eating [/quote]

True - that’s the thing. Cookies, ice cream, candy or cake - pure junk non-nutritive simple sugar calories are pretty useless except as quick energy. If you can get away with eating them and still have optimal body composition and good overall health indicators - that’s fine.

But looking at burgers, sushi, certain asian dishes, or even a burrito as non-nutritive junk is misguided, as AB is pointing out here. As has also been pointed out, from a pure energy in/energy out standpoint, you can eat whatever the fuck you want and still lose weight if it’s hypo-caloric for you.

Will you have optimal health eating just cheese burgers? Fuck no - you’re missing tons of vitamins, minerals and other beneficial compounds by severely limiting food selection, but if it was less energy in than you were putting out, you would drop weight/fat.

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It seems so painfully obvious that everyone is different. There is no end all be all diet for all. Hell, If I just look at myself… back in high school after I gained the first 25 lb from lifting and eating I couldn’t gain any more. My metabolism was very fast and I would eat two lunches every day at school, a huge dinner, and a bowl of ice cream before i went to bed every night.

Fast foward 15 years I’m 40 lbs heavier. But I can’t eat anything like that now or I’d be a fat fuck. And I’m the same person with the same DNA. I can’t follow a bulking or cutting diet designed for my former self let alone someone else.

That being said, to try and get some more good info into this thread… knowing that everyone is different, what do people recomend as good macro ranges for bodybuilding. I said “ranges” as to not pigeon hole it into one perfect macro breakdown for all. Or if some preffer, what macro breakdowns to stay away from… Macro breakdown is so important but i don’t think its discussed enough.