Just an observation here buuuuuuuuuut… doesnt it seem like Simonidas’s English is getting progressively worse and worse? lol
[quote]gregron wrote:
Just an observation here buuuuuuuuuut… doesnt it seem like Simonidas’s English is getting progressively worse and worse? lol[/quote]
“God…uuppsss!”
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
I think that your situation, as a diabetic, is different. Staying at 26% bodyfat isnt adviseable for MOST people, certainly not a diabetic. Im not a doctor, but Im confident that all doctors would agree that diabetics are healthier and can have a better handle on their blood sugar with lower body fat %.
The typical advice of “bulk until you are unhappy with the mirror” shouldnt be followed 100% of the time. Diabetics are an exception IMO. [/quote]
Not only that, but people will get nowhere is they can’t understand that the body is a complex machine. What works for that guy may not work for you and you won’t know that without trying it.
Some of these guys seem to be looking for blanket simple answers for complex situations as if the human body is easily classified in only one box.
No, all calories are not the same, but that doesn’t mean the skinny beginner needs to be only focused on “chicken and rice” as if his most important concern isn’t whether he is eating enough food overall.
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Yes. My diet’s been very much an experiment since I was diagnosed with Diabetes in 2005. We tried the health food approach (organic food, low-GI carbs etc) and I just couldn’t maintain the diet. I was letting myself down. What’s worse was trying all sorts of vegetable drinks (bitter melon OMFG!), herbal teas and eastern medicine to bring the sugar level back.
Anyway it wasn’t till I ate high protein, high fat, low carb diet that the sugar level controlled it sell. Carbs are being sourced from fruit and green vegetables and on the weekends I eat some rice but thinking of trying things like quinoa. I’m still continuing to experiment to find a right daily calorie level and group of foods to eat. I don’t think fast food, pizza, burgers, pasta, chips are bad or dirty, just that when I eat them my system, my body, my sugar level goes haywire.
[quote]Sarev0k wrote:
I carb-cycle year round while gaining or cutting for a show,(thanks to Thib’s and Stu’s recommendations) and being big and strong can be totally possible while still eating “Bad” food, if you even want to call it that.[/quote]
so what’s a typical pre/during/post workout feeding for you?
i’m curious because i recently started doing the same thing while bulking. carb cycling and eating all those carbs during/post workout.
[quote]ProjectX wrote:
[quote]Sarev0k wrote:
I carb-cycle year round while gaining or cutting for a show,(thanks to Thib’s and Stu’s recommendations) and being big and strong can be totally possible while still eating “Bad” food, if you even want to call it that.[/quote]
so what’s a typical pre/during/post workout feeding for you?
i’m curious because i recently started doing the same thing while bulking. carb cycling and eating all those carbs during/post workout.
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It looks like this:
1 hr before workout:
8oz lean ground beef, ~30g some type of easy carbs
1 serving alpha gpc
huge scoop creatine
30 mins out:
1 scoop whey protein, 1 tbsp honey
15 mins out:
1 scoop whey protein.
During:
2 scoops whey protein, creatine, 1 tbsp honey,
After:
2 scoops whey protein, creatine, some type of fast carbs, be it juice, bread, whatever.
Within 2-3 hours after:
8 oz lean ground beef, fast carbs.
I think the biggest reason for this debate is that there are a some people who are extremely strict with their diet even when gaining weight who have made good progress. Now it seems there are a lot of people who think that this is the ONLY way to gain muscle without becoming a fat ass.
You get guys decribing a healthy gaining diet as a “dirty bulk” because of a minority of freaks who are OBSESSIVE with their food choices.
I was on the beginners forum the other day and there where SEVERAL posters pretty much saying how evil sandwiches are. Are you kidding me? sandwiches? I regularly have roast meat sandwiches with cheese and lettus for lunch. This is so bad why? because it has bread?
What I’m getting at is that not everyone is in a contest prep and needs to know their macro breakdown exactly or count their calories or carbs exactly. When you are trying to gain muscle all that really matters is that you are getting surplus calories and a decent amount of protein. Everything else is at best a MINOR contributer or more to do with health concerns than gaining muscle/body composition.
[quote]gregron wrote:
Just an observation here buuuuuuuuuut… doesnt it seem like Simonidas’s English is getting progressively worse and worse? lol[/quote]
That dude is a jackass.
[quote]Doyle wrote:
I was on the beginners forum the other day and there where SEVERAL posters pretty much saying how evil sandwiches are. Are you kidding me? sandwiches? I regularly have roast meat sandwiches with cheese and lettus for lunch. This is so bad why? because it has bread?
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If you think that’s bad, you should check out the V-Diet forums. Apparently quinoa is Satan’s trick to make people fat.
[quote]Sarev0k wrote:
[quote]ProjectX wrote:
[quote]Sarev0k wrote:
I carb-cycle year round while gaining or cutting for a show,(thanks to Thib’s and Stu’s recommendations) and being big and strong can be totally possible while still eating “Bad” food, if you even want to call it that.[/quote]
so what’s a typical pre/during/post workout feeding for you?
i’m curious because i recently started doing the same thing while bulking. carb cycling and eating all those carbs during/post workout.
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It looks like this:
1 hr before workout:
8oz lean ground beef, ~30g some type of easy carbs
1 serving alpha gpc
huge scoop creatine
30 mins out:
1 scoop whey protein, 1 tbsp honey
15 mins out:
1 scoop whey protein.
During:
2 scoops whey protein, creatine, 1 tbsp honey,
After:
2 scoops whey protein, creatine, some type of fast carbs, be it juice, bread, whatever.
Within 2-3 hours after:
8 oz lean ground beef, fast carbs.
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thank you! well now that doesn’t sound very dirty at all.
i’m about order some creatine. i notice you have it before/during/after. how much? like 5 grams each time? you said a “huge scoop” though so sounds more than 5 gram.
[quote]gregron wrote:
Just an observation here buuuuuuuuuut… doesnt it seem like Simonidas’s English is getting progressively worse and worse? lol[/quote]
sorry, it’s a shame for me I know.
he ^ is a good-working-human-machine. Athlete and sportsman… He is healthy and happy and have a lots of energy with great state of mind.
probably when he will reduce the weight he will be also much BIGGER than I am, because his ass weights more than I can do in front squats.
Eating like that, even when great looking person is doing this, is pathetic.
Sorry but:
Meat = muscles. And I’ll eat all kinds o meat. Sauces, cheeses, sandwiches never build even one muscle fiber in body. So for my healthy life I’ll exchange them for my dry fruits,rice and macaroni cause with that foods I cannot loose control. And I simple don’t wont to look and feel like that ^ even ONE FUCKING DAY in my life.
And about all this jokes about my country… well I hope that you will EVER win mix martial arts,strongman,powerlifting,competitions with eastern europe players.
Cheers!
Did you hear about the Polish Admiral who wanted to be buried at sea when he died? Five sailors died digging his grave.
Dude - seriously, no one is out to get you, but when you come on here calling people names and shit, what do you expect?
“Sauces, cheeses, sandwiches never build even one muscle fiber in body.” So, cheese doesn’t have protein? Carbs don’t spare protein for muscle building? I can assure you that they do.
I looked at that pic you posted - you look pretty good, well on your way, but you don’t know every damn thing - so try shutting up and listening a bit.
Also, if you want to live on chicken and rice that’s fine - the problem is you coming into this thread and trying to tell everyone else their business, and also all the personal attacks - not going to win you any friends.
Like I said before, best of luck in your future bodybuilding endeavors. : )
Like I said, that guy is a jackass. He can’t even speak the language well, can’t understand what is being said but is talking this much shit? He is either extremely stupid or a troll.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Like I said, that guy is a jackass. He can’t even speak the language well, can’t understand what is being said but is talking this much shit? He is either extremely stupid or a troll.[/quote]
Why is it either/or? Both is more likely.
I had corned-beef hash, eggs, and whey shake for breakfast. I guess I fail at bulking…
I’ll probably get shit for this, but I think when ‘bulking’, sometimes the answer really is “just fucking eat”.
I’ve been gaining steadily now eating food and minimizing junk. Just as a course of what life delivers, there are days when I have to eat what I can-- that might be a fried this or that, certainly a cheeseburger(s), and pizza. The vast majority is steak, other meats, potatoes, but sometimes, I just fucking eat for weeks.
It seems during those weeks, I have more energy, lifts/volume go up, sleep is better (because I’m more exhausted), and then it just seems to cycle down.
Maybe it’s little growth spurts. Maybe it’s just me listening to body. It’s certainly not the ‘leanest’ way to bulk, but the payoff is in years, not ‘abz in the mirror right now’.
So, at the risk of STFU, just fucking eat and grow (for awhile).
(Note: obviously don’t do this if you have health risks).
I’ve had nothing but oatmeal and chicken all week and i’m starting to get heartburn. 6 chicken breasts a day and the rest oatmeal for 3k calories total. thoughts? anyone else get this on so much clean food?
Also, I got berated by a bodybuilder at my gym because I was putting like 1/2 cup of blueberries in some of the oatmeal servings to add flavor. apparently it was an out of control variable that could possibly screw everything up. He’s full of shit, right?
Damn, I go away for 2 months and miss all the good threads!
Btw, is heavy cream classed as dirty? Cause that’s what I use to bulk lol. For that matter, is it ok to “dirty cut”? Cause I love that cream and managed to get below 10% bf taking it…come to think of it, I think I may have an eating disorder - glad my muscles don’t know that 
Oh yeah, and is it too late to jump on the homo train? - Greg you’re looking great! How much lbs you put on/lost this year?
[quote]ProjectX wrote:
[quote]Sarev0k wrote:
[quote]ProjectX wrote:
[quote]Sarev0k wrote:
I carb-cycle year round while gaining or cutting for a show,(thanks to Thib’s and Stu’s recommendations) and being big and strong can be totally possible while still eating “Bad” food, if you even want to call it that.[/quote]
so what’s a typical pre/during/post workout feeding for you?
i’m curious because i recently started doing the same thing while bulking. carb cycling and eating all those carbs during/post workout.
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It looks like this:
1 hr before workout:
8oz lean ground beef, ~30g some type of easy carbs
1 serving alpha gpc
huge scoop creatine
30 mins out:
1 scoop whey protein, 1 tbsp honey
15 mins out:
1 scoop whey protein.
During:
2 scoops whey protein, creatine, 1 tbsp honey,
After:
2 scoops whey protein, creatine, some type of fast carbs, be it juice, bread, whatever.
Within 2-3 hours after:
8 oz lean ground beef, fast carbs.
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thank you! well now that doesn’t sound very dirty at all.
i’m about order some creatine. i notice you have it before/during/after. how much? like 5 grams each time? you said a “huge scoop” though so sounds more than 5 gram.
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Heh, people say it’s dirty because all of the stuf that comes with red meat, burgers mayo etc.
yeah about 5-10g creatine each serving. I don’t believe that there’s an “Optimal” amount of creatine, i’ve just played around with what has worked good for me, and anywhere from 20-30g of creatine total is where i feel the effects.
I don’t cycle creatine either. I might take a day or 2 off of it just because of weekend traveling and whatnot, but nothing harmful happens at all if you stay on creatine for months and months at a a time.
I actually think that companies started this whole “creatine cycling” bullshit to make it sound more like steroid usage to the n00b weightlifter.