I'm Happy That I Dirty Bulked

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[quote]Chi-Towns-Finest wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Chi-Towns-Finest wrote:
Nice stats boss, when I saw the word dirty next to bulk I assumed that meant you were over 15 percent. .[/quote]

Wait, why would ANYONE assume that and further, what the fuck is wrong all of a sudden with being 15% body fat?

Further, why would THAT be the primary concern over whether what you are doing is leading to the most muscle growth?

Who the fuck cares if you hit over 15% body fat if you grew more muscle than everyone else?[/quote]

Don’t get me wrong PX, there isn’t anything wrong being over 15%. The phrase ‘dirty bulk’ has a connotation of being a fat fuck, otherwise it would just be bulking – in my opinion at least.

I have ‘dirty’ bulked in the past myself, it isn’t a particularly great look for me. Most likely because I approached it from an angle that was far from optimal, sub-par if you will. I’m certainly not trying to knock it for those of you that are following the path of strength. I’m a bodybuilding and fitness enthusiast and value symmetry in addition to strength.[/quote]

What if someone has a maintenance level of 3000 calories and eats 4000calories a day of chicken breast, brown rice, spinach, and eggs and gets up over 20% for months and doesnt get that strong in the gym. Is that a clean dirty bulk?

Ive been dirty bulking my whole life. Ive have visible serratus muscles my whole life. ZOMGANTIMATTERENOFTEHWORLDZ

Shit. Not everyone who eats “regular people” food 4-5 times a week gets fat. I’ll never eat a grilled chicken breast again in my life. That shit is disgusting.

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[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:

[quote]Sarev0k wrote:
Heres me now at 235, 11-12% bodyfat. I was 196 and ~8% at my lowest about 3 or 4 months ago… [/quote]

Do you have a training log on here, by any chance?

[/quote]

I did, back about a year ago. I started a log when I was at 252, my original attempt at cutting down some fat.

I tried a ketogenic diet at first, mostly because ACTrain told me he had some success with it, as did I. My body reaped the benefits at first, still calorie-cycling style(high on training days, low on off days). I lost 20 lbs of almost pure fat! But after 2 months of it, my body’s immune system was lacking, and I got the flu, ended up taking off 2 WEEKS of training. I recovered, and about a month later, my aunt died and I just felt mentally incapacitated.

I never got what people meant when they said “Blood Sweat Tears” until that month. So I decided to push harder and harder instead of collapse. I gained back what muscle I lost in a month of recuperation, and continued to diet down, this time, carbs reintroduced into my diet. Carb-Cycling style. Got down to 196 Extremely lean. So lean that my feet hurt while walking due to lack of fat.

You feel like complete shit when you’re not eating as much, but what happens to your body is amazing. I had to cancel my show around sept. because of my wedding plans, so I took advantage of the rebound effect and “bulked” up to where I am now. I want to add as much mass as I can now, still carb cycling, and do my first BB show either in Spring or Summer.

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

What if someone has a maintenance level of 3000 calories and eats 4000calories a day of chicken breast, brown rice, spinach, and eggs and gets up over 20% for months and doesnt get that strong in the gym. Is that a clean dirty bulk?

Ive been dirty bulking my whole life. Ive have visible serratus muscles my whole life. ZOMGANTIMATTERENOFTEHWORLDZ

Shit. Not everyone who eats “regular people” food 4-5 times a week gets fat. I’ll never eat a grilled chicken breast again in my life. That shit is disgusting. [/quote]

Haha, I feel you completely. BTW, answer your goddamn friend requests!

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[quote]Sarev0k wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

What if someone has a maintenance level of 3000 calories and eats 4000calories a day of chicken breast, brown rice, spinach, and eggs and gets up over 20% for months and doesnt get that strong in the gym. Is that a clean dirty bulk?

Ive been dirty bulking my whole life. Ive have visible serratus muscles my whole life. ZOMGANTIMATTERENOFTEHWORLDZ

Shit. Not everyone who eats “regular people” food 4-5 times a week gets fat. I’ll never eat a grilled chicken breast again in my life. That shit is disgusting. [/quote]

Haha, I feel you completely. BTW, answer your goddamn friend requests!
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Lol sorry about that. I tend to not read things unless theres a question or something.

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[quote]Sarev0k wrote:

[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:

[quote]Sarev0k wrote:
Heres me now at 235, 11-12% bodyfat. I was 196 and ~8% at my lowest about 3 or 4 months ago… [/quote]

Do you have a training log on here, by any chance?

[/quote]

I did, back about a year ago. I started a log when I was at 252, my original attempt at cutting down some fat.

I tried a ketogenic diet at first, mostly because ACTrain told me he had some success with it, as did I. My body reaped the benefits at first, still calorie-cycling style(high on training days, low on off days). I lost 20 lbs of almost pure fat! But after 2 months of it, my body’s immune system was lacking, and I got the flu, ended up taking off 2 WEEKS of training. I recovered, and about a month later, my aunt died and I just felt mentally incapacitated.

I never got what people meant when they said “Blood Sweat Tears” until that month. So I decided to push harder and harder instead of collapse. I gained back what muscle I lost in a month of recuperation, and continued to diet down, this time, carbs reintroduced into my diet. Carb-Cycling style. Got down to 196 Extremely lean. So lean that my feet hurt while walking due to lack of fat.

You feel like complete shit when you’re not eating as much, but what happens to your body is amazing. I had to cancel my show around sept. because of my wedding plans, so I took advantage of the rebound effect and “bulked” up to where I am now. I want to add as much mass as I can now, still carb cycling, and do my first BB show either in Spring or Summer.[/quote]

Did you get married then? If so, congrats! (welcome to the club, although I guess you did it before me lol)

If you like, start a new log… I’ll try to follow along and see how your training is going.

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[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:

[quote]Sarev0k wrote:

[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:

[quote]Sarev0k wrote:
Heres me now at 235, 11-12% bodyfat. I was 196 and ~8% at my lowest about 3 or 4 months ago… [/quote]

Do you have a training log on here, by any chance?

[/quote]

I did, back about a year ago. I started a log when I was at 252, my original attempt at cutting down some fat.

I tried a ketogenic diet at first, mostly because ACTrain told me he had some success with it, as did I. My body reaped the benefits at first, still calorie-cycling style(high on training days, low on off days). I lost 20 lbs of almost pure fat! But after 2 months of it, my body’s immune system was lacking, and I got the flu, ended up taking off 2 WEEKS of training. I recovered, and about a month later, my aunt died and I just felt mentally incapacitated.

I never got what people meant when they said “Blood Sweat Tears” until that month. So I decided to push harder and harder instead of collapse. I gained back what muscle I lost in a month of recuperation, and continued to diet down, this time, carbs reintroduced into my diet. Carb-Cycling style. Got down to 196 Extremely lean. So lean that my feet hurt while walking due to lack of fat.

You feel like complete shit when you’re not eating as much, but what happens to your body is amazing. I had to cancel my show around sept. because of my wedding plans, so I took advantage of the rebound effect and “bulked” up to where I am now. I want to add as much mass as I can now, still carb cycling, and do my first BB show either in Spring or Summer.[/quote]

Did you get married then? If so, congrats! (welcome to the club, although I guess you did it before me lol)

If you like, start a new log… I’ll try to follow along and see how your training is going.

[/quote]

Next week is the big day! Thanks haha. I’m going to start a new log once all of this wedding stuff is over, so i’ll be starting with a clean slate and a clear mind(and hopfeully lots of money)!

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]Chi-Towns-Finest wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Chi-Towns-Finest wrote:
Nice stats boss, when I saw the word dirty next to bulk I assumed that meant you were over 15 percent. .[/quote]

Wait, why would ANYONE assume that and further, what the fuck is wrong all of a sudden with being 15% body fat?

Further, why would THAT be the primary concern over whether what you are doing is leading to the most muscle growth?

Who the fuck cares if you hit over 15% body fat if you grew more muscle than everyone else?[/quote]

Don’t get me wrong PX, there isn’t anything wrong being over 15%. The phrase ‘dirty bulk’ has a connotation of being a fat fuck, otherwise it would just be bulking – in my opinion at least.

I have ‘dirty’ bulked in the past myself, it isn’t a particularly great look for me. Most likely because I approached it from an angle that was far from optimal, sub-par if you will. I’m certainly not trying to knock it for those of you that are following the path of strength. I’m a bodybuilding and fitness enthusiast and value symmetry in addition to strength.[/quote]

What if someone has a maintenance level of 3000 calories and eats 4000calories a day of chicken breast, brown rice, spinach, and eggs and gets up over 20% for months and doesnt get that strong in the gym. Is that a clean dirty bulk?

Ive been dirty bulking my whole life. Ive have visible serratus muscles my whole life. ZOMGANTIMATTERENOFTEHWORLDZ

Shit. Not everyone who eats “regular people” food 4-5 times a week gets fat. I’ll never eat a grilled chicken breast again in my life. That shit is disgusting. [/quote]

LOL, I’d imagine I could eat double my maintenance and not get that fat with those foods!

And, I’m with you there – I’m not a motherfucking saint, I’ll polish down burritos a few times a week and other foods that aren’t considered clean. I still have a good idea of how many calories I’m taking in, and more often than not the food choices end up fitting in my daily macros and that’s all that really counts anyway!

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Congrats Sarevok, all the best to you and yours!

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]LiquidMercury wrote:
Gregon, absolute homo, you blew up. No homo? That’s what she said.[/quote]

hahaha I fully attribute it to my 2k ERG warm ups :)[/quote]

That’s cool you’re into rowing, what’s your 2k time?

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[quote]Chi-Towns-Finest wrote:
Congrats Sarevok, all the best to you and yours![/quote]
Thanks Brother!

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[quote]Sarev0k wrote:

[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:

[quote]Sarev0k wrote:

[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:

[quote]Sarev0k wrote:
Heres me now at 235, 11-12% bodyfat. I was 196 and ~8% at my lowest about 3 or 4 months ago… [/quote]

Do you have a training log on here, by any chance?

[/quote]

I did, back about a year ago. I started a log when I was at 252, my original attempt at cutting down some fat.

I tried a ketogenic diet at first, mostly because ACTrain told me he had some success with it, as did I. My body reaped the benefits at first, still calorie-cycling style(high on training days, low on off days). I lost 20 lbs of almost pure fat! But after 2 months of it, my body’s immune system was lacking, and I got the flu, ended up taking off 2 WEEKS of training. I recovered, and about a month later, my aunt died and I just felt mentally incapacitated.

I never got what people meant when they said “Blood Sweat Tears” until that month. So I decided to push harder and harder instead of collapse. I gained back what muscle I lost in a month of recuperation, and continued to diet down, this time, carbs reintroduced into my diet. Carb-Cycling style. Got down to 196 Extremely lean. So lean that my feet hurt while walking due to lack of fat.

You feel like complete shit when you’re not eating as much, but what happens to your body is amazing. I had to cancel my show around sept. because of my wedding plans, so I took advantage of the rebound effect and “bulked” up to where I am now. I want to add as much mass as I can now, still carb cycling, and do my first BB show either in Spring or Summer.[/quote]

Did you get married then? If so, congrats! (welcome to the club, although I guess you did it before me lol)

If you like, start a new log… I’ll try to follow along and see how your training is going.

[/quote]

Next week is the big day! Thanks haha. I’m going to start a new log once all of this wedding stuff is over, so i’ll be starting with a clean slate and a clear mind(and hopfeully lots of money)!
[/quote]

Hey, that’s great man, have fun and congrats to you and your future wife!

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[quote]Chi-Towns-Finest wrote:

[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]LiquidMercury wrote:
Gregon, absolute homo, you blew up. No homo? That’s what she said.[/quote]

hahaha I fully attribute it to my 2k ERG warm ups :)[/quote]

That’s cool you’re into rowing, what’s your 2k time?[/quote]

nothing good man… I do it as a warm up before my workouts. I usually row a 7:40ish time. Nothing good but its not an all out 2K cause its the first thing I do when I get to the gym (after stretching) I have no idea what an all out 2K would be? I just like how I get a sweat going, get warmed up and get the blood flowing

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[quote]Chi-Towns-Finest wrote:

[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]Chi-Towns-Finest wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Chi-Towns-Finest wrote:
Nice stats boss, when I saw the word dirty next to bulk I assumed that meant you were over 15 percent. .[/quote]

Wait, why would ANYONE assume that and further, what the fuck is wrong all of a sudden with being 15% body fat?

Further, why would THAT be the primary concern over whether what you are doing is leading to the most muscle growth?

Who the fuck cares if you hit over 15% body fat if you grew more muscle than everyone else?[/quote]

Don’t get me wrong PX, there isn’t anything wrong being over 15%. The phrase ‘dirty bulk’ has a connotation of being a fat fuck, otherwise it would just be bulking – in my opinion at least.

I have ‘dirty’ bulked in the past myself, it isn’t a particularly great look for me. Most likely because I approached it from an angle that was far from optimal, sub-par if you will. I’m certainly not trying to knock it for those of you that are following the path of strength. I’m a bodybuilding and fitness enthusiast and value symmetry in addition to strength.[/quote]

What if someone has a maintenance level of 3000 calories and eats 4000calories a day of chicken breast, brown rice, spinach, and eggs and gets up over 20% for months and doesnt get that strong in the gym. Is that a clean dirty bulk?

Ive been dirty bulking my whole life. Ive have visible serratus muscles my whole life. ZOMGANTIMATTERENOFTEHWORLDZ

Shit. Not everyone who eats “regular people” food 4-5 times a week gets fat. I’ll never eat a grilled chicken breast again in my life. That shit is disgusting. [/quote]

LOL, I’d imagine I could eat double my maintenance and not get that fat with those foods!

And, I’m with you there – I’m not a motherfucking saint, I’ll polish down burritos a few times a week and other foods that aren’t considered clean. I still have a good idea of how many calories I’m taking in, and more often than not the food choices end up fitting in my daily macros and that’s all that really counts anyway![/quote]

I hope youre joking completely with the first line

If somoene has a maintenance of 3000 calories. Chooses to eat fried burgers and donuts only for 2500calories a day he will lose weight.

The second half of your post makes me think you didnt understand the point I was trying to make. “Clean” foods are only “clean” because theyre associated with lean people. You can still get fat eating diet food. Vice versa for “dirty” food. It’s peoples results that make a diet clean or dirty, not the food they eat.

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[quote]gregron wrote:

[quote]Rocky2 wrote:

[quote]johnman18 wrote:
Off topic, but gregron you blew up, looking good dude(no homo).[/quote]
Yea i was gonna say the same thing. Great progress man! How tall are you again?[/quote]

Thanks Rocky. I’m 5’11" and 213lbs (as of yesterday) Trying to make the push to 225lb while working on back width and my shoulders (had surgery 10 months ago on a torn labrum and have a shitty overhead press since.)[/quote]

Nice work greg! This is fantastic.

Where would you say you BF% is now? Below 10? 10-12? I ask because I’m 6’0 and want to know what my “after” pic is going to look like :slight_smile:

I know you have better than average (very good) bench numbers and you come across as someone more athletic, good with any sport that type of thing.

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[quote]Sarev0k wrote:
Heres me now at 235, 11-12% bodyfat. I was 196 and ~8% at my lowest about 3 or 4 months ago… [/quote]

Well done again Sarev0k.

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You don’t live in Michigan, by chance?

Your gym’s locker rooms look exactly like mine.

Nice work, BTW.

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Thanks guys.

@SSC - Nah man, I’m in New York. My locker room sucks. Has 2 mirrors. One by the sinks, the other one is huge, but its right near the entrance. Who wants to see me in my boxers posing as soon as they walk in the locker room.

Exactly.

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
The second half of your post makes me think you didnt understand the point I was trying to make. “Clean” foods are only “clean” because theyre associated with lean people. You can still get fat eating diet food. Vice versa for “dirty” food.

It’s peoples results that make a diet clean or dirty, not the food they eat.
[/quote]

Sorry Bonez, could you explain that last line? I don’t understand :frowning:

Background:

  1. Been eating mostly paleo type since end June this year. Around 3000 calories a day from meat, fish, eggs, nuts, berries, vegetables. Stopped wheat, bread, corn, pasta and all fast food from my diet.
  2. Type 2 Diabetic, testing between 9 to 11 mmol/L fasted with medication, after the diet (and exercise) dropped to 4 to 6 mmol/L fasted. Reduced medication this past month and tested between 4.5 to 7 mmol/L fasted.
  3. Supplements - zinc, magnesium, 20g fish oil, multi vitamins, bcaa/beta alanine for workouts. HCl for digestion.
  4. BF 33/35% to 26.3% (13 point Biosignature BF measurement), 10.7kg fat loss, 2.5kg muscle gain - 20th June to 2nd Oct 2010. 102.5kg currently. 6’ tall.
  5. Training 4 days a week now. 3 day split - push/pull, legs, arms. Functional Hypertrophy program, 6 to 8 reps mostly and 10-12 on the smaller muscle groups, 6 exercises per day.

I’m getting paranoid about what food I eat now because eating what I have controlled my sugar level. My carb level is low (maybe 100g a day). Don’t know whether to increase it or not. Been eating “clean” - don’t know if it’s the way to go? Add more carbs?

Sorry if it seems like I’m diverting the thread from Sarev0k’s success, the question of clean vs dirty has bugged me for a long time. Just wondering if my body is more sensitive to change because of the Type 2 diabetes and I just have to be more careful/structured/strict on what I eat? etc. Thanks.

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[quote]XanderBuilt wrote:

Nice work greg! This is fantastic.

Where would you say you BF% is now? Below 10? 10-12? I ask because I’m 6’0 and want to know what my “after” pic is going to look like :slight_smile:

I know you have better than average (very good) bench numbers and you come across as someone more athletic, good with any sport that type of thing.[/quote]

I really dont know what my BF% is. I havent measured it in probably 18 months? The actual number doesnt matter to me cause I go by how I look.

I would classify myself as a pretty athletic person. I dont necessarily lift for the numbers I mostly lift for aesthetics. I switched away from BB bench all together and went to all dumbbells. I’ve have seen good results.

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congrats on getting married dude.