[quote]nschneid wrote:
Also, I got berated by a bodybuilder at my gym because I was putting like 1/2 cup of blueberries in some of the oatmeal servings to add flavor. apparently it was an out of control variable that could possibly screw everything up. He’s full of shit, right?[/quote]
lol … if someone is actually that paranoid about their diet ‘screwing up’ from a couple half a cup servings of blueberries each day, then I feel VERY VERY sorry for them.
[quote]Teledin wrote:
[quote]nschneid wrote:
Also, I got berated by a bodybuilder at my gym because I was putting like 1/2 cup of blueberries in some of the oatmeal servings to add flavor. apparently it was an out of control variable that could possibly screw everything up. He’s full of shit, right?[/quote]
lol … if someone is actually that paranoid about their diet ‘screwing up’ from a couple half a cup servings of blueberries each day, then I feel VERY VERY sorry for them.[/quote]
Problem is, there are many people out there like this.
[quote]Teledin wrote:
[quote]nschneid wrote:
Also, I got berated by a bodybuilder at my gym because I was putting like 1/2 cup of blueberries in some of the oatmeal servings to add flavor. apparently it was an out of control variable that could possibly screw everything up. He’s full of shit, right?[/quote]
lol … if someone is actually that paranoid about their diet ‘screwing up’ from a couple half a cup servings of blueberries each day, then I feel VERY VERY sorry for them.[/quote]
Agreed. There is dedication and then there is insanity.
Also, he “berated” him for it. What the hell does the guy look like for that to be the response?
Is he Phil heath?
Jay Cutler?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Teledin wrote:
[quote]nschneid wrote:
Also, I got berated by a bodybuilder at my gym because I was putting like 1/2 cup of blueberries in some of the oatmeal servings to add flavor. apparently it was an out of control variable that could possibly screw everything up. He’s full of shit, right?[/quote]
lol … if someone is actually that paranoid about their diet ‘screwing up’ from a couple half a cup servings of blueberries each day, then I feel VERY VERY sorry for them.[/quote]
Agreed. There is dedication and then there is insanity.
Also, he “berated” him for it. What the hell does the guy look like for that to be the response?
Is he Phil heath?
Jay Cutler?
[/quote]
Lyle McDonald
I keed.
[quote]ahu2468 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]Teledin wrote:
[quote]nschneid wrote:
Also, I got berated by a bodybuilder at my gym because I was putting like 1/2 cup of blueberries in some of the oatmeal servings to add flavor. apparently it was an out of control variable that could possibly screw everything up. He’s full of shit, right?[/quote]
lol … if someone is actually that paranoid about their diet ‘screwing up’ from a couple half a cup servings of blueberries each day, then I feel VERY VERY sorry for them.[/quote]
Agreed. There is dedication and then there is insanity.
Also, he “berated” him for it. What the hell does the guy look like for that to be the response?
Is he Phil heath?
Jay Cutler?
[/quote]
Greg Valentino
I keed.
[/quote]
fixed
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
I had corned-beef hash, eggs, and whey shake for breakfast. I guess I fail at bulking…
I’ll probably get shit for this, but I think when ‘bulking’, sometimes the answer really is “just fucking eat”.
I’ve been gaining steadily now eating food and minimizing junk. Just as a course of what life delivers, there are days when I have to eat what I can-- that might be a fried this or that, certainly a cheeseburger(s), and pizza. The vast majority is steak, other meats, potatoes, but sometimes, I just fucking eat for weeks.
It seems during those weeks, I have more energy, lifts/volume go up, sleep is better (because I’m more exhausted), and then it just seems to cycle down.
Maybe it’s little growth spurts. Maybe it’s just me listening to body. It’s certainly not the ‘leanest’ way to bulk, but the payoff is in years, not ‘abz in the mirror right now’.
So, at the risk of STFU, just fucking eat and grow (for awhile).
(Note: obviously don’t do this if you have health risks).[/quote]
I think its wise to try and eat well and prepare most of your food but you are right for most people they need to just eat.
I have a pretty basic rule for bulking and that is that anything is better than nothing. So if something happens and you dont have food you prepared yourself you make do with what is available.
[quote]Sarev0k wrote:
Heh, people say it’s dirty because all of the stuf that comes with red meat, burgers mayo etc.
yeah about 5-10g creatine each serving. I don’t believe that there’s an “Optimal” amount of creatine, i’ve just played around with what has worked good for me, and anywhere from 20-30g of creatine total is where i feel the effects.
I don’t cycle creatine either. I might take a day or 2 off of it just because of weekend traveling and whatnot, but nothing harmful happens at all if you stay on creatine for months and months at a a time.
I actually think that companies started this whole “creatine cycling” bullshit to make it sound more like steroid usage to the n00b weightlifter. [/quote]
thanks man, that’s very helpful. yeah most people think my daily red meat and eggs are a health risk as they pound down fat free ice cream.
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
I had corned-beef hash, eggs, and whey shake for breakfast. I guess I fail at bulking…
I’ll probably get shit for this, but I think when ‘bulking’, sometimes the answer really is “just fucking eat”.
I’ve been gaining steadily now eating food and minimizing junk. Just as a course of what life delivers, there are days when I have to eat what I can-- that might be a fried this or that, certainly a cheeseburger(s), and pizza. The vast majority is steak, other meats, potatoes, but sometimes, I just fucking eat for weeks.
It seems during those weeks, I have more energy, lifts/volume go up, sleep is better (because I’m more exhausted), and then it just seems to cycle down.
Maybe it’s little growth spurts. Maybe it’s just me listening to body. It’s certainly not the ‘leanest’ way to bulk, but the payoff is in years, not ‘abz in the mirror right now’.
So, at the risk of STFU, just fucking eat and grow (for awhile).
(Note: obviously don’t do this if you have health risks).[/quote]
I plan to eat and eat but watching my macros and following the last line of your post strictly.
SteelyD, looking monstrous bro! Nice photo!
[quote]Doyle wrote:
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
I had corned-beef hash, eggs, and whey shake for breakfast. I guess I fail at bulking…
I’ll probably get shit for this, but I think when ‘bulking’, sometimes the answer really is “just fucking eat”.
I’ve been gaining steadily now eating food and minimizing junk. Just as a course of what life delivers, there are days when I have to eat what I can-- that might be a fried this or that, certainly a cheeseburger(s), and pizza. The vast majority is steak, other meats, potatoes, but sometimes, I just fucking eat for weeks.
It seems during those weeks, I have more energy, lifts/volume go up, sleep is better (because I’m more exhausted), and then it just seems to cycle down.
Maybe it’s little growth spurts. Maybe it’s just me listening to body. It’s certainly not the ‘leanest’ way to bulk, but the payoff is in years, not ‘abz in the mirror right now’.
So, at the risk of STFU, just fucking eat and grow (for awhile).
(Note: obviously don’t do this if you have health risks).[/quote]
I think its wise to try and eat well and prepare most of your food but you are right for most people they need to just eat.
I have a pretty basic rule for bulking and that is that anything is better than nothing. So if something happens and you dont have food you prepared yourself you make do with what is available.[/quote]
I cant count the amount of times ive been aproached by noob BB in my local gym. “Brah…ur hyooge! what are you taking??? Im on creatine, NO, protein shakes…what gives???”
I ask them what they are eating and never beleive me when i advise them to double what they are taking and to watch themselves grow like weeds. They always think there is sum secret supp i must have found in the back of Flex magazine im not telling them about. Either that or teh roidz.
face palm…
If these dudes spent half the amount of money they put into supps into steak, beef and chicken they would balloon. I see them train. Its all there. They just dont seem to realize that the biggest part of what they are trying to succeed in is done outside the weight room.
“As long as I keep the fork in my mouth and weight off my chest…I will die with the biggest coffin.”
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Agreed. There is dedication and then there is insanity.
Also, he “berated” him for it. What the hell does the guy look like for that to be the response?
Is he Phil heath?
Jay Cutler?
[/quote]
He’s a guy that has gone in about 5-6 years from a 5’7" 240 lb never touched a weight before 32 yr old fatass to winning 2nd in the novice light middle-weight. I have nothing but respect for his work ethic and tenacity, but his knowledge base in regards to nutrition, athleticism, and the fundamentals of bodybuilding is very shallow, and he basically applies what his trainer (a former bodybuilder and current judge) with 100% compliance and, surprise surprise, has success. Anything that is outside his shallow base must be proven to work to him (if its me talking), and takes the differences in our physiques as evidence that he’s right and I’m wrong about anything from squats being an effective and safe leg builder to the fat in grass-fed beef being good for you (apparently many bodybuilders like Shelby Starnes and John meadows are probably on roids so their advice may not apply for Natties since roids affect the way you metabolize fats).
I guess no one has ever known what works well for most people but had trouble consistently applying it or had some setbacks like joint surgeries… Nah, it must just be that everything i know is wrong…
So no one on the heartburn thing from all that chicken and oatmeal?
He’s bulking up currently to break into middleweight next spring.
[quote]Beast Status wrote:
[quote]Doyle wrote:
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
I had corned-beef hash, eggs, and whey shake for breakfast. I guess I fail at bulking…
I’ll probably get shit for this, but I think when ‘bulking’, sometimes the answer really is “just fucking eat”.
I’ve been gaining steadily now eating food and minimizing junk. Just as a course of what life delivers, there are days when I have to eat what I can-- that might be a fried this or that, certainly a cheeseburger(s), and pizza. The vast majority is steak, other meats, potatoes, but sometimes, I just fucking eat for weeks.
It seems during those weeks, I have more energy, lifts/volume go up, sleep is better (because I’m more exhausted), and then it just seems to cycle down.
Maybe it’s little growth spurts. Maybe it’s just me listening to body. It’s certainly not the ‘leanest’ way to bulk, but the payoff is in years, not ‘abz in the mirror right now’.
So, at the risk of STFU, just fucking eat and grow (for awhile).
(Note: obviously don’t do this if you have health risks).[/quote]
I think its wise to try and eat well and prepare most of your food but you are right for most people they need to just eat.
I have a pretty basic rule for bulking and that is that anything is better than nothing. So if something happens and you dont have food you prepared yourself you make do with what is available.[/quote]
I cant count the amount of times ive been aproached by noob BB in my local gym. “Brah…ur hyooge! what are you taking??? Im on creatine, NO, protein shakes…what gives???”
I ask them what they are eating and never beleive me when i advise them to double what they are taking and to watch themselves grow like weeds. They always think there is sum secret supp i must have found in the back of Flex magazine im not telling them about. Either that or teh roidz.
face palm…
If these dudes spent half the amount of money they put into supps into steak, beef and chicken they would balloon. I see them train. Its all there. They just dont seem to realize that the biggest part of what they are trying to succeed in is done outside the weight room.
“As long as I keep the fork in my mouth and weight off my chest…I will die with the biggest coffin.”
[/quote]
There is a kid (actually I think he is my age lol) at my gym who is indian and is so skinny and frail that he litteraly look like he is sick or starved and certainly never lifted weights. He trains pretty hard and seems to have a decent program, he has a shake before and after with about 10 different powders. The kicker is that a girl that works at the gym said he has been training there and looking the same for 5 years!
I’ve asked him about what he eats a few times but he just doesnt get it.
The girl on the desk blames it on his genetics lol if he was eating right he would have at least gained some fat.
I feel sorry for the guy cause he has put in so much effort and money but he has no one to blame.
You promised pics! Where are they?!
[quote]nschneid wrote:
I’ve had nothing but oatmeal and chicken all week and i’m starting to get heartburn. 6 chicken breasts a day and the rest oatmeal for 3k calories total. thoughts? anyone else get this on so much clean food?
[/quote]
Are you saying the only things you eat are chicken breasts and oatmeal? (And half a cup of blueberries)?
[quote]Doyle wrote:
[quote]Beast Status wrote:
[quote]Doyle wrote:
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
I had corned-beef hash, eggs, and whey shake for breakfast. I guess I fail at bulking…
I’ll probably get shit for this, but I think when ‘bulking’, sometimes the answer really is “just fucking eat”.
I’ve been gaining steadily now eating food and minimizing junk. Just as a course of what life delivers, there are days when I have to eat what I can-- that might be a fried this or that, certainly a cheeseburger(s), and pizza. The vast majority is steak, other meats, potatoes, but sometimes, I just fucking eat for weeks.
It seems during those weeks, I have more energy, lifts/volume go up, sleep is better (because I’m more exhausted), and then it just seems to cycle down.
Maybe it’s little growth spurts. Maybe it’s just me listening to body. It’s certainly not the ‘leanest’ way to bulk, but the payoff is in years, not ‘abz in the mirror right now’.
So, at the risk of STFU, just fucking eat and grow (for awhile).
(Note: obviously don’t do this if you have health risks).[/quote]
I think its wise to try and eat well and prepare most of your food but you are right for most people they need to just eat.
I have a pretty basic rule for bulking and that is that anything is better than nothing. So if something happens and you dont have food you prepared yourself you make do with what is available.[/quote]
I cant count the amount of times ive been aproached by noob BB in my local gym. “Brah…ur hyooge! what are you taking??? Im on creatine, NO, protein shakes…what gives???”
I ask them what they are eating and never beleive me when i advise them to double what they are taking and to watch themselves grow like weeds. They always think there is sum secret supp i must have found in the back of Flex magazine im not telling them about. Either that or teh roidz.
face palm…
If these dudes spent half the amount of money they put into supps into steak, beef and chicken they would balloon. I see them train. Its all there. They just dont seem to realize that the biggest part of what they are trying to succeed in is done outside the weight room.
“As long as I keep the fork in my mouth and weight off my chest…I will die with the biggest coffin.”
[/quote]
There is a kid (actually I think he is my age lol) at my gym who is indian and is so skinny and frail that he litteraly look like he is sick or starved and certainly never lifted weights. He trains pretty hard and seems to have a decent program, he has a shake before and after with about 10 different powders. The kicker is that a girl that works at the gym said he has been training there and looking the same for 5 years!
I’ve asked him about what he eats a few times but he just doesnt get it.
The girl on the desk blames it on his genetics lol if he was eating right he would have at least gained some fat.
I feel sorry for the guy cause he has put in so much effort and money but he has no one to blame.[/quote]
I’m in a pretty heavy concentrated Indian community (due to my nearby university) and I find this the norm. The thing is, these guys are practically ALL vegetarian bar the fact they do consume eggs and fish. For some reason these are their only acceptable protein sources outside of whey shakes. Out of the dozens I see in the gym each month, ONE has some decent size on him. This guys lives off the whey shakes though. I will state, he hasn’t grown a great deal the past 2 years and his strength has virtually all but stalled.
[quote]nschneid wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Agreed. There is dedication and then there is insanity.
Also, he “berated” him for it. What the hell does the guy look like for that to be the response?
Is he Phil heath?
Jay Cutler?
[/quote]
He’s a guy that has gone in about 5-6 years from a 5’7" 240 lb never touched a weight before 32 yr old fatass to winning 2nd in the novice light middle-weight. I have nothing but respect for his work ethic and tenacity, but his knowledge base in regards to nutrition, athleticism, and the fundamentals of bodybuilding is very shallow, and he basically applies what his trainer (a former bodybuilder and current judge) with 100% compliance and, surprise surprise, has success. Anything that is outside his shallow base must be proven to work to him (if its me talking), and takes the differences in our physiques as evidence that he’s right and I’m wrong about anything from squats being an effective and safe leg builder to the fat in grass-fed beef being good for you (apparently many bodybuilders like Shelby Starnes and John meadows are probably on roids so their advice may not apply for Natties since roids affect the way you metabolize fats).
I guess no one has ever known what works well for most people but had trouble consistently applying it or had some setbacks like joint surgeries… Nah, it must just be that everything i know is wrong…
So no one on the heartburn thing from all that chicken and oatmeal?
He’s bulking up currently to break into middleweight next spring.[/quote]
Maybe he is talking about the end product on stage on competition day. If you think about it, half a cup of blueberries is what … 40 calories? Having a cup a day would translate into 560 calories a week that you could have avoided … which translates into 6,720 over a 12 week period.
Still … this kind of stuff should be factored into your training approach. TBH, unless you are planning to step on stage, being concerned about such minor variables in your diet is beyond over-thinking in my opinion.
[quote]Liv92 wrote:
You promised pics! Where are they?! [/quote]
page 4
[quote]Teledin wrote:
[quote]Doyle wrote:
[quote]Beast Status wrote:
[quote]Doyle wrote:
[quote]SteelyD wrote:
I had corned-beef hash, eggs, and whey shake for breakfast. I guess I fail at bulking…
I’ll probably get shit for this, but I think when ‘bulking’, sometimes the answer really is “just fucking eat”.
I’ve been gaining steadily now eating food and minimizing junk. Just as a course of what life delivers, there are days when I have to eat what I can-- that might be a fried this or that, certainly a cheeseburger(s), and pizza. The vast majority is steak, other meats, potatoes, but sometimes, I just fucking eat for weeks.
It seems during those weeks, I have more energy, lifts/volume go up, sleep is better (because I’m more exhausted), and then it just seems to cycle down.
Maybe it’s little growth spurts. Maybe it’s just me listening to body. It’s certainly not the ‘leanest’ way to bulk, but the payoff is in years, not ‘abz in the mirror right now’.
So, at the risk of STFU, just fucking eat and grow (for awhile).
(Note: obviously don’t do this if you have health risks).[/quote]
I think its wise to try and eat well and prepare most of your food but you are right for most people they need to just eat.
I have a pretty basic rule for bulking and that is that anything is better than nothing. So if something happens and you dont have food you prepared yourself you make do with what is available.[/quote]
I cant count the amount of times ive been aproached by noob BB in my local gym. “Brah…ur hyooge! what are you taking??? Im on creatine, NO, protein shakes…what gives???”
I ask them what they are eating and never beleive me when i advise them to double what they are taking and to watch themselves grow like weeds. They always think there is sum secret supp i must have found in the back of Flex magazine im not telling them about. Either that or teh roidz.
face palm…
If these dudes spent half the amount of money they put into supps into steak, beef and chicken they would balloon. I see them train. Its all there. They just dont seem to realize that the biggest part of what they are trying to succeed in is done outside the weight room.
“As long as I keep the fork in my mouth and weight off my chest…I will die with the biggest coffin.”
[/quote]
There is a kid (actually I think he is my age lol) at my gym who is indian and is so skinny and frail that he litteraly look like he is sick or starved and certainly never lifted weights. He trains pretty hard and seems to have a decent program, he has a shake before and after with about 10 different powders. The kicker is that a girl that works at the gym said he has been training there and looking the same for 5 years!
I’ve asked him about what he eats a few times but he just doesnt get it.
The girl on the desk blames it on his genetics lol if he was eating right he would have at least gained some fat.
I feel sorry for the guy cause he has put in so much effort and money but he has no one to blame.[/quote]
I’m in a pretty heavy concentrated Indian community (due to my nearby university) and I find this the norm. The thing is, these guys are practically ALL vegetarian bar the fact they do consume eggs and fish. For some reason these are their only acceptable protein sources outside of whey shakes. Out of the dozens I see in the gym each month, ONE has some decent size on him. This guys lives off the whey shakes though. I will state, he hasn’t grown a great deal the past 2 years and his strength has virtually all but stalled.[/quote]
Being Indian and being Australian also (although I live and work in Asia now) I’ll chime in. I don’t see how anyone can build a strong physique purely on eggs and fish or being vegetarian, suffice to say it will be very very tough regardless of how gifted they are. Most Indian communities also load heavily either on rice or wheat. Whey powder can only do so much - real food makes the difference. The only time I drink whey is after workout, nothing complicated followed by a full meal in 60 to 90 minutes.
If I followed my religion I should be vegetarian and I never should touch beef. I don’t do either of those things. I don’t see the religious implication - I eat for food/growth/nutrition/health and not excessively. I am the minority.
Good to see someone has first hand experience. I can totally see the religious aspect of it all. I know beef is a no-no for most, as cows are considered sacred animals (from my 12th grade studies). A lot of guys have really unrealistic expectations. Hard when I’m asked for advice, to just say you gotta eat more meat, knowing full well they won’t do this and that it goes against their beliefs.
Totally agree with whey shakes versus real food. The past year I think I’ve gone through a single 10lb bag at most. Whereas in the past, I would go through one of those every 2 months. Overall I’m fuller, can maintain or drop body fat levels more easily, and feel better without taking the whey. It does become a bit of an inconvenience at times, but I always manage to grab a protein bar for those occasions.
[quote]Jason van Wyk wrote:
[quote]nschneid wrote:
I’ve had nothing but oatmeal and chicken all week and i’m starting to get heartburn. 6 chicken breasts a day and the rest oatmeal for 3k calories total. thoughts? anyone else get this on so much clean food?
[/quote]
Are you saying the only things you eat are chicken breasts and oatmeal? (And half a cup of blueberries)? [/quote]
Oatmeal or an equivalent amount of whole wheat pasta or brown rice plus green leafy stuff I don’t count. Chicken breasts are 1.75/lb here. Even 80/20 walmart beef is more expensive, so yeah chicken is my staple.
I’m not trying to put weight on right now. Mostly I’m trying to drop some fat and get a consistent diet for once.
[quote]Sarev0k wrote:
[quote]Liv92 wrote:
You promised pics! Where are they?! [/quote]
page 4[/quote]
Thanks.