I'm Happy That I Dirty Bulked

[nschneid]

[quote]Teledin wrote:

Maybe he is talking about the end product on stage on competition day. If you think about it, half a cup of blueberries is what … 40 calories? Having a cup a day would translate into 560 calories a week that you could have avoided … which translates into 6,720 over a 12 week period.

Still … this kind of stuff should be factored into your training approach. TBH, unless you are planning to step on stage, being concerned about such minor variables in your diet is beyond over-thinking in my opinion.
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Actually he was talking about the different eGL values of the carbs that I was mixing, not the differing caloric amounts, since I was deliberately not quite filling up the measuring cup w/ oatmeal servings that i was putting berries into anyway to make room for the calories. 1/2 cup of blueberries have 3g of fiber in them so its actually only 28 if you don’t count dietary fiber calories (I don’t).

I just really believe that things like this average out if you make a good effort to be consistent. Chicken breasts are all sorts of different sizes but if you figure they weigh on average 8 oz, does it really make a lick of difference if at one meal you eat a 10 oz’er and another you eat a 6? Its going to be about the same at the and of the day.

[Beast_Status]

[quote]XanderBuilt wrote:

[quote]Teledin wrote:

[quote]Doyle wrote:

[quote]Beast Status wrote:

[quote]Doyle wrote:

[quote]SteelyD wrote:
I had corned-beef hash, eggs, and whey shake for breakfast. I guess I fail at bulking…

I’ll probably get shit for this, but I think when ‘bulking’, sometimes the answer really is “just fucking eat”.

I’ve been gaining steadily now eating food and minimizing junk. Just as a course of what life delivers, there are days when I have to eat what I can-- that might be a fried this or that, certainly a cheeseburger(s), and pizza. The vast majority is steak, other meats, potatoes, but sometimes, I just fucking eat for weeks.

It seems during those weeks, I have more energy, lifts/volume go up, sleep is better (because I’m more exhausted), and then it just seems to cycle down.

Maybe it’s little growth spurts. Maybe it’s just me listening to body. It’s certainly not the ‘leanest’ way to bulk, but the payoff is in years, not ‘abz in the mirror right now’.

So, at the risk of STFU, just fucking eat and grow (for awhile).

(Note: obviously don’t do this if you have health risks).[/quote]

I think its wise to try and eat well and prepare most of your food but you are right for most people they need to just eat.
I have a pretty basic rule for bulking and that is that anything is better than nothing. So if something happens and you dont have food you prepared yourself you make do with what is available.[/quote]

I cant count the amount of times ive been aproached by noob BB in my local gym. “Brah…ur hyooge! what are you taking??? Im on creatine, NO, protein shakes…what gives???”

I ask them what they are eating and never beleive me when i advise them to double what they are taking and to watch themselves grow like weeds. They always think there is sum secret supp i must have found in the back of Flex magazine im not telling them about. Either that or teh roidz.

face palm…

If these dudes spent half the amount of money they put into supps into steak, beef and chicken they would balloon. I see them train. Its all there. They just dont seem to realize that the biggest part of what they are trying to succeed in is done outside the weight room.

“As long as I keep the fork in my mouth and weight off my chest…I will die with the biggest coffin.”
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There is a kid (actually I think he is my age lol) at my gym who is indian and is so skinny and frail that he litteraly look like he is sick or starved and certainly never lifted weights. He trains pretty hard and seems to have a decent program, he has a shake before and after with about 10 different powders. The kicker is that a girl that works at the gym said he has been training there and looking the same for 5 years!

I’ve asked him about what he eats a few times but he just doesnt get it.

The girl on the desk blames it on his genetics lol if he was eating right he would have at least gained some fat.

I feel sorry for the guy cause he has put in so much effort and money but he has no one to blame.[/quote]
I’m in a pretty heavy concentrated Indian community (due to my nearby university) and I find this the norm. The thing is, these guys are practically ALL vegetarian bar the fact they do consume eggs and fish. For some reason these are their only acceptable protein sources outside of whey shakes. Out of the dozens I see in the gym each month, ONE has some decent size on him. This guys lives off the whey shakes though. I will state, he hasn’t grown a great deal the past 2 years and his strength has virtually all but stalled.[/quote]

Being Indian and being Australian also (although I live and work in Asia now) I’ll chime in. I don’t see how anyone can build a strong physique purely on eggs and fish or being vegetarian, suffice to say it will be very very tough regardless of how gifted they are. Most Indian communities also load heavily either on rice or wheat. Whey powder can only do so much - real food makes the difference. The only time I drink whey is after workout, nothing complicated followed by a full meal in 60 to 90 minutes.

If I followed my religion I should be vegetarian and I never should touch beef. I don’t do either of those things. I don’t see the religious implication - I eat for food/growth/nutrition/health and not excessively. I am the minority.[/quote]

That must be tough. My diet revolves around beef, chicken and steak. However i do eat alot of fish too.

Im sure uve exausted all options in the fish department. But still, fish is a great, low carb, nutrient rich, high protein/amino acid source. (fish oil). Salmon, mahi mahi, talapia to name a few are some tasty, less “fishy” tasting fish. If that makes sense.

I bet if u tried. U could make some great gains off fish, eggs and whey protein shakes. Throw in ur vegetarian carbs and fats. Maybe some soy milk with the shakes. A coulple nice pieces of some salmon with sum sushi rolls. (vegetarian in your case). real good.

My girlfriend is Portuese. They eat a shit-ton of fish and seafood. Alot of my meals come out of her parents kitchen. Its not too hard to put somthing together with the right amount of protein, carbs, fats and calories to cater to your needs. Shit…i was eating squid tentacles, lobster, bakalow patties (portie for a kind of fish), salmon, tuna. So much. Things from the ocean i never knew u could eat. When i stay with them i live off that food and still feel satisfied. Goodluck either way.

[Doyle]

I know the guy I mentioned is a vetetarian however Milland eggs are ok. I understand that limited food choices makes it more difficult but certainly not impossible.
Along similar lines I have a friend who follows Islam and generally looses up to 10kg over ramidan. He still manages to make good progress.
Anyway this prob getting off topic and I still haven’t congratulated the op on his progress.
Good work man you have made obvious improvement and seem to have a good handle on bulking.

[XanderBuilt]

[quote]Teledin wrote:
Good to see someone has first hand experience. I can totally see the religious aspect of it all. I know beef is a no-no for most, as cows are considered sacred animals (from my 12th grade studies). A lot of guys have really unrealistic expectations. Hard when I’m asked for advice, to just say you gotta eat more meat, knowing full well they won’t do this and that it goes against their beliefs.

Totally agree with whey shakes versus real food. The past year I think I’ve gone through a single 10lb bag at most. Whereas in the past, I would go through one of those every 2 months. Overall I’m fuller, can maintain or drop body fat levels more easily, and feel better without taking the whey. It does become a bit of an inconvenience at times, but I always manage to grab a protein bar for those occasions.[/quote]

Correct on all points. Australia has the advantage also of access to some of the best meat, poultry, fish and produce in the world. Now that my diet is revamped and changed I can’t wait to go back for a holiday and spend a hour picking meats at the local butcher…errr…“purveyor of fine meats”

[XanderBuilt]

[quote]Beast Status wrote:
That must be tough. My diet revolves around beef, chicken and steak. However i do eat alot of fish too.

Im sure uve exausted all options in the fish department. But still, fish is a great, low carb, nutrient rich, high protein/amino acid source. (fish oil). Salmon, mahi mahi, talapia to name a few are some tasty, less “fishy” tasting fish. If that makes sense.

I bet if u tried. U could make some great gains off fish, eggs and whey protein shakes. Throw in ur vegetarian carbs and fats. Maybe some soy milk with the shakes. A coulple nice pieces of some salmon with sum sushi rolls. (vegetarian in your case). real good.

My girlfriend is Portuese. They eat a shit-ton of fish and seafood. Alot of my meals come out of her parents kitchen. Its not too hard to put somthing together with the right amount of protein, carbs, fats and calories to cater to your needs. Shit…i was eating squid tentacles, lobster, bakalow patties (portie for a kind of fish), salmon, tuna. So much. Things from the ocean i never knew u could eat. When i stay with them i live off that food and still feel satisfied. Goodluck either way.
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I’d imagine you’d need greater quantities of fish and eggs to make up the protein macros for the day. And vary the types of fish as well. I read an article about Roelly Winklaar’s prep for competition and it does include kilos of fish. I guess some respond better than others to certain foods.

[Simonidas]

[quote]nschneid wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Agreed. There is dedication and then there is insanity.

Also, he “berated” him for it. What the hell does the guy look like for that to be the response?

Is he Phil heath?

Jay Cutler?

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He’s a guy that has gone in about 5-6 years from a 5’7" 240 lb never touched a weight before 32 yr old fatass to winning 2nd in the novice light middle-weight. I have nothing but respect for his work ethic and tenacity, but his knowledge base in regards to nutrition, athleticism, and the fundamentals of bodybuilding is very shallow, and he basically applies what his trainer (a former bodybuilder and current judge) with 100% compliance and, surprise surprise, has success. Anything that is outside his shallow base must be proven to work to him (if its me talking), and takes the differences in our physiques as evidence that he’s right and I’m wrong about anything from squats being an effective and safe leg builder to the fat in grass-fed beef being good for you (apparently many bodybuilders like Shelby Starnes and John meadows are probably on roids so their advice may not apply for Natties since roids affect the way you metabolize fats). [/quote]

[DTP88]

[quote]Beast Status wrote:

[quote]Doyle wrote:

[quote]SteelyD wrote:
I had corned-beef hash, eggs, and whey shake for breakfast. I guess I fail at bulking…

I’ll probably get shit for this, but I think when ‘bulking’, sometimes the answer really is “just fucking eat”.

I’ve been gaining steadily now eating food and minimizing junk. Just as a course of what life delivers, there are days when I have to eat what I can-- that might be a fried this or that, certainly a cheeseburger(s), and pizza. The vast majority is steak, other meats, potatoes, but sometimes, I just fucking eat for weeks.

It seems during those weeks, I have more energy, lifts/volume go up, sleep is better (because I’m more exhausted), and then it just seems to cycle down.

Maybe it’s little growth spurts. Maybe it’s just me listening to body. It’s certainly not the ‘leanest’ way to bulk, but the payoff is in years, not ‘abz in the mirror right now’.

So, at the risk of STFU, just fucking eat and grow (for awhile).

(Note: obviously don’t do this if you have health risks).[/quote]

I think its wise to try and eat well and prepare most of your food but you are right for most people they need to just eat.
I have a pretty basic rule for bulking and that is that anything is better than nothing. So if something happens and you dont have food you prepared yourself you make do with what is available.[/quote]

I cant count the amount of times ive been aproached by noob BB in my local gym. “Brah…ur hyooge! what are you taking??? Im on creatine, NO, protein shakes…what gives???”

I ask them what they are eating and never beleive me when i advise them to double what they are taking and to watch themselves grow like weeds. They always think there is sum secret supp i must have found in the back of Flex magazine im not telling them about. Either that or teh roidz.

face palm…

If these dudes spent half the amount of money they put into supps into steak, beef and chicken they would balloon. I see them train. Its all there. They just dont seem to realize that the biggest part of what they are trying to succeed in is done outside the weight room.

“As long as I keep the fork in my mouth and weight off my chest…I will die with the biggest coffin.”
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I used to be one of those kids. I’d cycle NO Xplode when I could afford it (it works in teh sense it jump starts you due to caffeine! 70 dollar tub of caffeine ), have 2 protein shakes a day and maybe 1 or 2 small meals in addition. I was a very, very lean 175 and I’m 6ft3. I was “Ripped” in all sense of the word, but only to highschool boys who wear skinny jeans. I started posting and lurking here more often, and with the assistance of one of the other trainers I work with realized how much I need to up my caloric intake. I went on a relatively clean bulk, and have since (not really) blown up. I’m a pretty solid 6ft3 200lbs now, and won’t stop for another 15-25 lbs. Unfortunately, I’ve been so busy my training hasn’t been nearly as intense as I’d like. I still lift 5 days a week, and my numbers are getting a little higher, but that 505 deadlift has been just within reach for too long. Honestly if there weren’t people out there like you, and prof. x telling people like me to forget about the hawt 6 pax, I’d be a malnourished lanky dude maxing at 185 on bench. Eventually those guys that secretly believe you have super supplements will figure it out, and thank you too.

P.S. I’m by no means huge, yet. But people are still coming up to me asking me what I take etc. and I pass on the same knowledge you guys have passed on to me

[Beast_Status]

[quote]DTP88 wrote:

[quote]Beast Status wrote:

[quote]Doyle wrote:

[quote]SteelyD wrote:
I had corned-beef hash, eggs, and whey shake for breakfast. I guess I fail at bulking…

I’ll probably get shit for this, but I think when ‘bulking’, sometimes the answer really is “just fucking eat”.

I’ve been gaining steadily now eating food and minimizing junk. Just as a course of what life delivers, there are days when I have to eat what I can-- that might be a fried this or that, certainly a cheeseburger(s), and pizza. The vast majority is steak, other meats, potatoes, but sometimes, I just fucking eat for weeks.

It seems during those weeks, I have more energy, lifts/volume go up, sleep is better (because I’m more exhausted), and then it just seems to cycle down.

Maybe it’s little growth spurts. Maybe it’s just me listening to body. It’s certainly not the ‘leanest’ way to bulk, but the payoff is in years, not ‘abz in the mirror right now’.

So, at the risk of STFU, just fucking eat and grow (for awhile).

(Note: obviously don’t do this if you have health risks).[/quote]

I think its wise to try and eat well and prepare most of your food but you are right for most people they need to just eat.
I have a pretty basic rule for bulking and that is that anything is better than nothing. So if something happens and you dont have food you prepared yourself you make do with what is available.[/quote]

I cant count the amount of times ive been aproached by noob BB in my local gym. “Brah…ur hyooge! what are you taking??? Im on creatine, NO, protein shakes…what gives???”

I ask them what they are eating and never beleive me when i advise them to double what they are taking and to watch themselves grow like weeds. They always think there is sum secret supp i must have found in the back of Flex magazine im not telling them about. Either that or teh roidz.

face palm…

If these dudes spent half the amount of money they put into supps into steak, beef and chicken they would balloon. I see them train. Its all there. They just dont seem to realize that the biggest part of what they are trying to succeed in is done outside the weight room.

“As long as I keep the fork in my mouth and weight off my chest…I will die with the biggest coffin.”
[/quote]

I used to be one of those kids. I’d cycle NO Xplode when I could afford it (it works in teh sense it jump starts you due to caffeine! 70 dollar tub of caffeine ), have 2 protein shakes a day and maybe 1 or 2 small meals in addition. I was a very, very lean 175 and I’m 6ft3. I was “Ripped” in all sense of the word, but only to highschool boys who wear skinny jeans. I started posting and lurking here more often, and with the assistance of one of the other trainers I work with realized how much I need to up my caloric intake. I went on a relatively clean bulk, and have since (not really) blown up. I’m a pretty solid 6ft3 200lbs now, and won’t stop for another 15-25 lbs. Unfortunately, I’ve been so busy my training hasn’t been nearly as intense as I’d like. I still lift 5 days a week, and my numbers are getting a little higher, but that 505 deadlift has been just within reach for too long. Honestly if there weren’t people out there like you, and prof. x telling people like me to forget about the hawt 6 pax, I’d be a malnourished lanky dude maxing at 185 on bench. Eventually those guys that secretly believe you have super supplements will figure it out, and thank you too.

P.S. I’m by no means huge, yet. But people are still coming up to me asking me what I take etc. and I pass on the same knowledge you guys have passed on to me :)[/quote]

Nice. We all start somewhere. When i first started training I was 6 foot and 150 lbs of nothing. I didnt have many older experienced guys to train with as i didnt start getting serious and in a gym until i was 18. I just followed my younger brothers football log, which included alot of squats, deads and benching…thank god.
I got got up in the supplement craze as well. This was right when Nitro-tech was the hot new protein on the market. I thought as long as i had one shake following my workout that was all i needed. I ate chicken throughout the day and not much carbs. I got up to 175 but i too was a “ripped” small dude. It wasnt until college and a meal plan that i really started to grow. Broke the 200 mark. Now im up to 240. I take a few supps. Creatinez, fishoil, aminos etc. But i know how important and how much more an effect my diet has on my body than any supplement out there.