I don’t want to pry in on your personal life, so disregard this question if you consider it out of line. Did your ex know about you AAS use? If not how did you get away with running larger cycles without tipping her off?
And if you could update the thread with your progress that would be appreciated. I am sure that I am not only one who will be curious about your results.
I was sorry to hear about your trouble, Brook, but am glad to now hear you have bounced back so quickly!
[quote]Game Time wrote:
I don’t want to pry in on your personal life, so disregard this question if you consider it out of line. Did your ex know about you AAS use? If not how did you get away with running larger cycles without tipping her off?
And if you could update the thread with your progress that would be appreciated. I am sure that I am not only one who will be curious about your results.[/quote]
She did, and she seemed to understand for the most part… but after this week who knows what she really thought eh?
Thanks to those who posted their thoughts. I will be keeping this thread on topic and updated as much as possible.
Gonna try to make it to the gym tomorrow before it hurts too much to go back!
By the way, not in the remotest to step on your thread, but because it’s not worth a thread on its own and I did mention it earlier and it would need updating to be correct:
I wound up starting my new peptides program. Didn’t wind up doing exactly as previously planned.
The CJC-etc coming in 2 mg vials, and the GHRP-6 in a 5 mg vial, and the study looking at the combination of GHRP-6 and GHRH using equal dosing (not that this at all proves equal dosing is optimal, but rather that it is at least ballpark reasonable and certainly effective) I wound up mixing so as to use 4 mg CJC-etc and 5 mg GHRP-6 per 2 weeks.
Plus arbitrarily I decided to make the 2 mg of MGF last 6 weeks, thus 2/3 of a mg per 2 weeks. I had believe I’d ordered the PEGylated, but the vial is not so labelled, and the website is down so I can’t check to see if it’s possible I ordered a non-PEGylated one.
There being 52 planned injections per 14 days, thus the injections are 77 mcg CJC-etc, 96 mcg GHRP-6, and 16 mcg MGF, for a weekly rate on the latter of 333 mcg/week.
Yes, I know MGF is usually injected less frequently but I see no harm to the more highly divided dosing, nor any harm to the mixing. It makes it simpler for everything to be together as it is.
Then the protocol will alternate each 2 weeks between this, or 2 weeks of IGF-1LR3 36 mcg/day plus MGF 48 mcg/day.
Somewhat interestingly, I can “feel” the GHRP-6/CJC/MGF injections. A little like a small amount of Nubain feels, but without the dissociative or analgesic properties. Not a strong effect, but interesting. That is a downside of having mixed the things: now I have no means of saying which one is causing the effect, except that I know from previous experience it is not the GHRP-6.
Could it not be the mix of two or more of the compounds giving the mild opioid effect?
This thread is too ‘spacious’ for me to use alone, so it would be good to have your run added here too 
The MGF: I was under the impression that MGF was substantially more effective than PegMGF, why did you choose the PEG modification?
I am trying to make sense of your injection concentrations and frequency…
You are injecting what when? With 52inj. over 14 days… this is over 3 injections a day… but not fully, so i assume that one product is injected less frequently and the others more - is this the case?
But then if the MGF is split 2000mcg over 42 days, this is 48mcg a day, so where does 16mcg come into play… 3 injections of 16mcg = 48mcg. Is this it? You’ll be injecting 16mcg 3x/day of MGF?
The CJC is 4000mcg per 14 days… which is 285mcg/day… over 3 injections this is 95mcg.
I think i have it…!
The G6 is 5000/14days which is 357mcg a day. This divided by 5 is 71mcg… hmm, not quite!
Can you enlighten me as to how this will be run?
Brook
It may (I don’t know one way or the other) have been established with reason for confidence that MGF is more effective than the PEGylated version. However I don’t know that the non-PEGylated version is likely to give systemic value, and I am not going to do site injections in all the various muscles in all the large numbers of areas that would be needed to cover their cross sections.
Seeing as how the mechanism is supposed to be faster replenishment of stem cells, that’s such a long process that I tend to suspect that impressions may not necessarily be right on the PEGylated version.
Or they may be. I may have made a mistake.
Everything is mixed together, hence frequency of injection is exactly the same.
It may be that I messed up a calculation when posting, if the numbers did not work out. The mix is, per 2 weeks, 4 mg of the CJC-etc, 5 mg of the GHRP-6, and 2/3 of a mg of the MGF. This mixture is being injected 3 times per day, timed for when blood glucose should be low.
I think you’re right, it could be the combination that has the unusual feel effect rather than necessarily one specific component. Just no telling at this point, as the stuff is mixed.
The idea is to run this alternately with IGF-1LR3/MGF, in cycles of 2 weeks each way. The idea behind it is that the IGF-1LR3 presumably suppresses GH production so I don’t want to run the two approaches at the same time.
Yes, and i remember that either you or another poster mentioned the same thing about the GH lowering effects of IGF (neg. feedback) could be counter productive to the GH promoting effects of the secretagogues.
I on the other hand am running them both with the hope that the stimulation of GH (and concurrent suppression/inhibition of Somatostatin) will help to counter the negative feedback of the IGF…
I do not know enough of either sides of the argument to have an educated opinion… either could easily be true to me - and while the comparison of our protocols would be totally unscientific and desperately uncontrolled, it will be interesting to see how results fare!
I have high hopes for the mix of G6 and CJC. It makes perfect sense to me to be a very synergistic combination.
I am still marvelling at my new found bulkiness… one of more raw stockiness rather than lean and aesthetic muscle. I think if i’m not careful, then just a little too much GH/secretagogue or IGF use could turn me from a humanoid shape to more like a cuboid… 
Oh by the way there is indeed a ridiculous arithmetic error in my post above.
3 injections per day over 14 days is of course 42 injections, not 52. Don’t know how I did that. Oops.
OK so i am converted. I dont think it is the IGF really… as i simply have not had enough and it hasn’t been long… but i am loving what i believe to be the effects from GH/GHRP.
I am larger, i am leaner, i cannot put on fat or much fat at least - no matter how much i eat, i am retaining muscle very very easily and i am looking very full indeed.
I am sure that i am experiencing a strong GH increase from the peptide, as i seem to be benefitting from all the things GH gives - without the price. I am looking forward to running GH if a secretagogue is this good TBH.
However, that said, i am very happy with the effect the peptide has on hunger, it matches its GH releasing benefits perfectly as coupled with the fat loss benefits of GH it means i can eat a shit load and not gain fat… or very little.
I am larger, fuller and looking really good considering i am on a bulk (although lesser than i was before)…
I will be adding GHRP to my runs considerably more and if i needed to, i would pay the $30 it cost and add it to just plain old test cycles for bulking.
The anabolics are really coming to life this cycle… bear in mind that i have been slowing in my gains recently, and an increase in calories during my cruise was very useful 9as was the decreased workload)… Now i have added the small amount of GH from the peptides to a fairly moderately dosed cycle (1200mg total/wk) and it is shaping upto be one of the best i’ve done.
I have found a new place to live, but shall be on a bean bag and mattress for a while, but as soon as i am settled (i will use that time to dial in my calories, eating quality and high protein but low calorie for the cost factor) i will have an all out bulk for 6-8 weeks… adding G6 and likely CJC… maybe MG and IGF and a simple Test/Dbol cycle and push it towards the next milestone at that time - over the 15st mark (over 210lbs).
[quote] Brook wrote:
i cannot put on fat or much fat at least - no matter how much i eat,[/quote]
Dadblamed young whippersnappers…
Right… a few things to add…
This cycle obviously got sidetracked due to un-forseen circumstances, but i will finish up here, add a few more things and start again in the not too distant future.
I am still shooting the IGF… i have recently dropped to 20mcg/day from 40mcg. I read an article by Palumbo (whom i dont actually rate too much personally… until he agrees to train me personally…) which made a lot of sense to me, and seeing as BBB had also suggested something similar, that was enough for me to try it.
I dropped dbol for the last time. I have been struggling with intensity and motivation and energy. At first i thought it was over-training, having not de-loaded for ages… so i de-loaded.
Then after quitting the dbol and cruising for a while, i slowly began to feel i could up the volume and intensity of my work. so did.
This culminated in beginning a new blast… which went well for 1 week (dbol was added to the cycle again) then my life was turned on its head.
I had 1 week off, and hit the gym after 8 days… i was really down after hitting the gym, as it is my only saviour in harsh times - and i wasn’t getting anywhere. I don’t mean i wasn’t getting results - i am used to that - i couldn’t finish a workout… just as was the case 6 weeks prior!
It felt like i had had about 3 half decent workouts of 50 - and i was gutted.
I decided to determine what the issue was… BB is my life. I realised that i went in with great intensity, doing rack or standard DL’s and lifting well… i would go through a second exercise and this would be ok too (totalling 6-8 sets). Then it’d hit… i couldn’t even force myself to continue. I would try of course… but i would end up leaving soon after the wall.
I cut all workouts short.
I decided to go the low volume approach… just limiting my sessions to 8 sets TOTAL, 4 for one bodypart, 4 for a second one.
I cut the workout short.
Then i decided to go to the gym later in the day, allowing for more calories to be consumed - this didn’t help.
I cut the workout short.
I decided then to try high volume but limited exercises, just 1-2 moves per body part, and working antagonist muscles (delts/lats, bis/tris, chest/back and hams/quads). I would do 6-8 sets per exercise. If this didnt work, i would have been stumped and would have taken a week off again.
This coincided with dropping the dbol - which was a suspicion by now.
I had issues with dbol before, but i was on a lower dose, so just didn’t want it to be so…
The workout was great… it was definitely the dbol, i feel happier, more energised, motivated… just fuckeing better. I am stunned the drug had this effect on me… i suspect it could be due to Anti-depressant meds i use, or may have been estrogen related - although i doubt that (letro).
Anyway.
I finished with the GHRP today, i ran it around 3 weeks i believe, and it was a very useful and effective peptide for muscle, lean gains and size (through eating more). The eating has to be forced - to a degree, as it of course wont do the eating for you, nor make you so ravenous you have to eat… but with effort, you can add a good 25% as a wild guess to your intake… that is a further 25% over what you’d add with effort without the peptide. That is based purely on (fiction!) the extra portions i was consuming, rather than the actual counted calories. But that is a great deal IME, and invaluable to ecto’s out there… I would err on the side of caution to anyone who puts on fat fast when bulking, or anyone over say… 35-40 (unless very slim). JMO of course, and with correct macro control, fat would be minimised naturally.
I have plenty left, and will have enough IGF for another 1-2 runs at the dose i have settled on also.
I will be running the G6 when i am settled in my new place, and can eat like there is no tomorrow. I intend to hit ~220lbs before cutting… then as i near single digits i will assess my look and decide whether to compete around that time.
FYI
JJ
When do we get pics, you fat bastard?
Also, experience any significant strength increases as a result of the G6?
I haven’t looked into it but you may be on to something about the dbol perhaps inducing or inhibiting some enzymes that metabolized your anti-depressant drugs too quickly or slowly… Very possible and I suspect any change in drug dose that you are used to would have definite mood effects. Had you taken dbol in the past along with the same anti-depressant drugs?
I have felt better from Dianabol without any anti-depressant or other such drugs being used.
[quote]LUEshi wrote:
When do we get pics, you fat bastard?
Also, experience any significant strength increases as a result of the G6?[/quote]
LOL! Dunno - i will post some up here at some point, but as we all know - posting bulking pictures up get one flamed…!
I will don’t worry
Brook
[quote]LUEshi wrote:
Also, experience any significant strength increases as a result of the G6?[/quote]
I would say not significant, but the weight and calories definitely improved strength, and i know that it can increase strength… so maybe. But again not significantly i’d say.
[quote]BenceJones wrote:
I haven’t looked into it but you may be on to something about the dbol perhaps inducing or inhibiting some enzymes that metabolized your anti-depressant drugs too quickly or slowly… Very possible and I suspect any change in drug dose that you are used to would have definite mood effects. Had you taken dbol in the past along with the same anti-depressant drugs?
[/quote]
Hmm… i ran it without the AD a few times, and enjoyed it.
I ran it with the AD a few times, and didn’t enjoy it… HOWEVER there are other prescribed drugs that could easily have issue either instead or as well as - namely Methadone. It was difficult to learn to train intensely when i first began that drug. Non-issue now however… totally.
I can live without the Dbol - i will give Drol another run and see what happens i think
Thank you for an informative thread that also provoked intelligent discussion and thought.
Well done for sticking with it.
Good luck when you do compete.
