If You Put a Skinny Powerlifter on a BB Split?

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[quote]paulieserafini wrote:

[quote]@JC_Tree_Trunks wrote:
So squatting 350+ and deadlifting over 400 is strong? The problem isnt size vs strength, rather its people think they are putting up strong numbers when they arent.

People always think “man i can bench 225 but the size just isnt there”. Yeah, its because you gotta bench 325 before you see a full chest[/quote]

not that I have the most impressive chest, but I’ve never benched 325. Benching 325 is irrelevant.[/quote]

Agree, a LOT. I’d say yeah, a guy squatting 350 for 20 - piston style without a lockout, is pretty goddamn impressive and probably has some big wheels. Waylanderx (or whatever, use to post,) would deadlift no higher than 315 - but this was at the end of his back workout. He’s 6’2", 270 with abs. Hmmm. Yeah. Okay.

Fact is, when I first started lifting, there were two competing BB’ers in my gym. Both monsters. One of them, I can distinctly remember, came in for a chest day, warmed up extensively before hitting 495 x 3-4, working down to 455 for a few, then 405, and then whatever else. Inversely, the other guy NEVER pushed more than 315 for maybe a set or two. He also did a lot of supersets and intensity techniques.

Guess which one was more muscular…

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Big weights, don’t build mass
Big reps, don’t build mass
Big weights x big reps, builds mass
So a powerlifter, becoming a BB should have some advantage

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[quote]SSC wrote:

[quote]paulieserafini wrote:

[quote]@JC_Tree_Trunks wrote:
So squatting 350+ and deadlifting over 400 is strong? The problem isnt size vs strength, rather its people think they are putting up strong numbers when they arent.

People always think “man i can bench 225 but the size just isnt there”. Yeah, its because you gotta bench 325 before you see a full chest[/quote]

not that I have the most impressive chest, but I’ve never benched 325. Benching 325 is irrelevant.[/quote]

Agree, a LOT. I’d say yeah, a guy squatting 350 for 20 - piston style without a lockout, is pretty goddamn impressive and probably has some big wheels. Waylanderx (or whatever, use to post,) would deadlift no higher than 315 - but this was at the end of his back workout. He’s 6’2", 270 with abs. Hmmm. Yeah. Okay.

Fact is, when I first started lifting, there were two competing BB’ers in my gym. Both monsters. One of them, I can distinctly remember, came in for a chest day, warmed up extensively before hitting 495 x 3-4, working down to 455 for a few, then 405, and then whatever else. Inversely, the other guy NEVER pushed more than 315 for maybe a set or two. He also did a lot of supersets and intensity techniques.

Guess which one was more muscular…[/quote]

We are talking about the same waylander who incline 400+, Military press 315 for reps and front squat 405x5, front raise the 100DB… okay.

Anyway the question was not about heavyweigth vs bodybuilding style for hypertrophy. Of course train like a bodybuilder if you want to look like one, thats common fukin sense. My question was if you take two guy of the same size but one a lot stronger than the other one, is there gonna be a difference in growth if the two are put in a BB split.

And if a bodybuilder can benefits from a phase of strength training.

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[quote]GTFOmyPowerRack wrote:

[quote]SSC wrote:

[quote]paulieserafini wrote:

[quote]@JC_Tree_Trunks wrote:
So squatting 350+ and deadlifting over 400 is strong? The problem isnt size vs strength, rather its people think they are putting up strong numbers when they arent.

People always think “man i can bench 225 but the size just isnt there”. Yeah, its because you gotta bench 325 before you see a full chest[/quote]

not that I have the most impressive chest, but I’ve never benched 325. Benching 325 is irrelevant.[/quote]

Agree, a LOT. I’d say yeah, a guy squatting 350 for 20 - piston style without a lockout, is pretty goddamn impressive and probably has some big wheels. Waylanderx (or whatever, use to post,) would deadlift no higher than 315 - but this was at the end of his back workout. He’s 6’2", 270 with abs. Hmmm. Yeah. Okay.

Fact is, when I first started lifting, there were two competing BB’ers in my gym. Both monsters. One of them, I can distinctly remember, came in for a chest day, warmed up extensively before hitting 495 x 3-4, working down to 455 for a few, then 405, and then whatever else. Inversely, the other guy NEVER pushed more than 315 for maybe a set or two. He also did a lot of supersets and intensity techniques.

Guess which one was more muscular…[/quote]

We are talking about the same waylander who incline 400+, Military press 315 for reps and front squat 405x5, front raise the 100DB… okay.

Anyway the question was not about heavyweigth vs bodybuilding style for hypertrophy. Of course train like a bodybuilder if you want to look like one, thats common fukin sense. My question was if you take two guy of the same size but one a lot stronger than the other one, is there gonna be a difference in growth if the two are put in a BB split.

And if a bodybuilder can benefits from a phase of strength training.[/quote]

Yeah, I realize that’s the question at hand and a superficial answer giving no additional consideration would be “yes.” I’ve never seen someone get huge curling 15s their entire life and benching no higher than 185 x 5. But, that being said, the way you ask it - two guys, same size, with one being significantly stronger than the other… the stronger one will probably be bigger, unless he has an awful MMC and just “puts up weight” with little to no consideration for targeting a specific muscle. The issue is that some people are naturally strong, some people naturally put on muscular mass fairly easily. I’ve heard some of KingBeef’s numbers on lifts and one would likely be VERY surprised at the amount of weight he’s using.

It really is a convoluted question with no blanket answer.

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I use 15-20lbs for my dumbell side laterals

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^ lol yes, and the 75s for your partial lateral raises :slight_smile:

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Zarw 3commandments Anybody else doing those heavy prtial latterals Meadows recomended a couple years ago, cause I love them. sorry to hyjack

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[quote]zraw wrote:
I use 15-20lbs for my dumbell side laterals

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Who cares side are an inferior movement anyway. Much rather do a compound like upright row. Too each his own. If one day you want to look like the guy in your avi, you better stop fuking around with your isolation and start hitting those heavy squat. Squat make shoulder growth too.

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[quote]SSC wrote:

[quote]GTFOmyPowerRack wrote:

[quote]SSC wrote:

[quote]paulieserafini wrote:

[quote]@JC_Tree_Trunks wrote:
So squatting 350+ and deadlifting over 400 is strong? The problem isnt size vs strength, rather its people think they are putting up strong numbers when they arent.

People always think “man i can bench 225 but the size just isnt there”. Yeah, its because you gotta bench 325 before you see a full chest[/quote]

not that I have the most impressive chest, but I’ve never benched 325. Benching 325 is irrelevant.[/quote]

Agree, a LOT. I’d say yeah, a guy squatting 350 for 20 - piston style without a lockout, is pretty goddamn impressive and probably has some big wheels. Waylanderx (or whatever, use to post,) would deadlift no higher than 315 - but this was at the end of his back workout. He’s 6’2", 270 with abs. Hmmm. Yeah. Okay.

Fact is, when I first started lifting, there were two competing BB’ers in my gym. Both monsters. One of them, I can distinctly remember, came in for a chest day, warmed up extensively before hitting 495 x 3-4, working down to 455 for a few, then 405, and then whatever else. Inversely, the other guy NEVER pushed more than 315 for maybe a set or two. He also did a lot of supersets and intensity techniques.

Guess which one was more muscular…[/quote]

We are talking about the same waylander who incline 400+, Military press 315 for reps and front squat 405x5, front raise the 100DB… okay.

Anyway the question was not about heavyweigth vs bodybuilding style for hypertrophy. Of course train like a bodybuilder if you want to look like one, thats common fukin sense. My question was if you take two guy of the same size but one a lot stronger than the other one, is there gonna be a difference in growth if the two are put in a BB split.

And if a bodybuilder can benefits from a phase of strength training.[/quote]

Yeah, I realize that’s the question at hand and a superficial answer giving no additional consideration would be “yes.” I’ve never seen someone get huge curling 15s their entire life and benching no higher than 185 x 5. But, that being said, the way you ask it - two guys, same size, with one being significantly stronger than the other… the stronger one will probably be bigger, unless he has an awful MMC and just “puts up weight” with little to no consideration for targeting a specific muscle. The issue is that some people are naturally strong, some people naturally put on muscular mass fairly easily. I’ve heard some of KingBeef’s numbers on lifts and one would likely be VERY surprised at the amount of weight he’s using.

It really is a convoluted question with no blanket answer. [/quote]
maybe im mis understanding this, but i definitely fall under the category of people who gain muscle(hyper trophy) better than i gain strength,imnot saying my physique is in the same league of king beefs, but for my physique, my lifting numbers are below what i think many would expect.

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[quote]alternate wrote:

[quote]@JC_Tree_Trunks wrote:
So squatting 350+ and deadlifting over 400 is strong? The problem isnt size vs strength, rather its people think they are putting up strong numbers when they arent.

People always think “man i can bench 225 but the size just isnt there”. Yeah, its because you gotta bench 325 before you see a full chest[/quote]

Is that an attempt at sounding hardcore?

I’m pretty sure working on proper technique and manipulating rests periods would win out every time rather than simply striving to jerk the most weight in the air using as much momentum as possible. When people start seeing the weight as the end and not the means to it, you can start getting small guys with big totals. Nothing wrong with that, just different goals.[/quote]

Not trying to sound hardcore no. Being realistic? Yes. Show me a single man with big tree trunk legs that cant squat at least 500. At least. People just dont understand that a 1,000 pound total is TRASH for powerlifting.

The cause for all this debate is that people get easily impressed with lifting numbers, and are way too hard to impress when it comes to a physique. The truth is all these bodybuilders still have crazy ass lifts, I mean kai greene said the weight doesnt matter, then he has videos reppin 5 plates on bench. The difference is bodybuilders just have more lifts to focus on and have to worry about the details/dieting

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[quote]GTFOmyPowerRack wrote:

[quote]zraw wrote:
I use 15-20lbs for my dumbell side laterals

[/quote]

Who cares side are an inferior movement anyway. Much rather do a compound like upright row. Too each his own. If one day you want to look like the guy in your avi, you better stop fuking around with your isolation and start hitting those heavy squat. Squat make shoulder growth too.[/quote]

Thread just went full retard…teetering on the edge before, but GTFO came and pushed it over the edge and jumped off after it…

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^ I assumed he was joking…? Or maybe that’s too much benefit of the doubt.

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[quote]GTFOmyPowerRack wrote:

[quote]zraw wrote:
I use 15-20lbs for my dumbell side laterals

[/quote]

Who cares side are an inferior movement anyway. Much rather do a compound like upright row. Too each his own. If one day you want to look like the guy in your avi, you better stop fuking around with your isolation and start hitting those heavy squat. Squat make shoulder growth too.[/quote]

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[quote]The3Commandments wrote:
^ I assumed he was joking…? Or maybe that’s too much benefit of the doubt.[/quote]

Lol. I thought that was really well done.

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Out of 4 guy, 3 understood the sarcasm… Im impress.

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“Woah!!! Aagh!!! You got it!!! FUCK!!!” - Pete Rubish

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the reason is this: Many gym rats lift for show…bicep curls, flies, leg press and other stuff…these power lifter kids only squat, bench, deadlift with some ancillary work to help those main lifts out…They also stay at a certain body weight by eating lean so that they are super strong for that particular weight.

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Dont lie and tell me this wasn’t a long time in the making.

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Yes, you will likely have a better response to a type of training you haven’t normally done, than you would a similar. That is why there is periodization of intensities and volume, along with rotation of special (or for bodybuilders core), supplemental, and accessory exercises. When you do not change one of the variables over a period of time there is accommodation which stalls progress, and can even reverse it.

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It’s all about rep ranges, sets under 5 make you strong but build no muscle. Sets of 8–12 get you huge and sort of strong. Sets of 15–20 works your endurance fibers, everyone knows this