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[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]165StateChamp wrote:
I guess I just don’t understand what a statement like “I just don’t see why there is such a push to act as if he was physically perfect…especially from other guys” has to do with anything unless it’s to insinuate homosexuality. I don’t really care to argue the point though. [/quote]

That wasn’t what was said. This whole thread has been a back-and-forth between people saying Zyzz’(s?) physique could be improved upon and fanboys that say his aesthetics were flawless, but defend any perceptible flaws by saying Zyzz was young enough to improve them. Not hating. Just enjoying the irony.[/quote]

Did you quote me on accident? Nothing you posted had anything to do with what I wrote. The only person saying that Zyzz was flawless has been thefederalist. Because he is a troll. I don’t understand why some of you guys have so much trouble realizing this. You jumped all over Roguevampire for being a troll when he’s really just a weird guy. Why are none of you acknowledging that thefederalist is a troll?

Edit: Actually, I really don’t know. Roguevampire might be a troll, I have no idea.

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[quote]165StateChamp wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
Are you trying to make a point here? I have no idea what you are trying to say. I never said anything about any of those pics being the same. Look closely.
[/quote]

I don’t understand where you’re coming from in the slightest. I posted a picture that Shelby Starnes captioned with ‘Offseason update, 235.4 this morning’. Offseason. Update. Shelby said he was offseason. When you put the word offseason in quotes I assumed you were saying that it wasn’t a true offseason shot.

Honestly, I don’t even feel like typing out any more responses. Can we just stop the arguing? I don’t really care. I feel like we agree on enough that differences of opinion on Shelby Starnes’ offeason condition should not be a point of argument for the both of us. [/quote]

Ok I figured that was a pic of him last year cutting down from 246 (his peak offseason weight which he held for two months) when it may be this year of him getting back up to 246. Regardless, It was not representative of his peak offseason physiqe of 246 (prob heavier this year) where he is 10+ lbs heavier and not what I would consider lean.

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[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]165StateChamp wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
Are you trying to make a point here? I have no idea what you are trying to say. I never said anything about any of those pics being the same. Look closely.
[/quote]

I don’t understand where you’re coming from in the slightest. I posted a picture that Shelby Starnes captioned with ‘Offseason update, 235.4 this morning’. Offseason. Update. Shelby said he was offseason. When you put the word offseason in quotes I assumed you were saying that it wasn’t a true offseason shot.

Honestly, I don’t even feel like typing out any more responses. Can we just stop the arguing? I don’t really care. I feel like we agree on enough that differences of opinion on Shelby Starnes’ offeason condition should not be a point of argument for the both of us. [/quote]

Ok I figured that was a pic of him last year cutting down from 246 (his peak offseason weight which he held for two months) when it may be this year of him getting back up to 246. Regardless, It was not representative of his peak offseason physiqe of 246 (prob heavier this year) where he is 10+ lbs heavier and not what I would consider lean.
[/quote]

Goshdarnit, I just can’t keep myself from continuing this. lol. After last offseason, Shelby felt that he needed to keep his weight lower (I assume this also means keep his body fat lower). He has not gotten as fat as he was the prior offseason. I don’t consider that lean either. The highest he got this offseason was 240 (don’t quote me on that though) while being much leaner than the photo that you posted.

In his articles, he routinely talks about staying as lean as possible while making gains (minimizing unnecessary fat gain). The guy practices what he preaches.

Just to clarify, I’m this knowledgeable of Shelby because I follow his progress and consider him very motivational. To me, he’s the ultimate example of a bodybuilder, constantly busting ass and living the lifestyle.

inb4 someone says “I just don’t see why there is such a push to act as if he was physically perfect…especially from other guys” about me defending the idea that Shelby Starnes stays lean in the offseason.

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[quote]165StateChamp wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]165StateChamp wrote:
I guess I just don’t understand what a statement like “I just don’t see why there is such a push to act as if he was physically perfect…especially from other guys” has to do with anything unless it’s to insinuate homosexuality. I don’t really care to argue the point though. [/quote]

That wasn’t what was said. This whole thread has been a back-and-forth between people saying Zyzz’(s?) physique could be improved upon and fanboys that say his aesthetics were flawless, but defend any perceptible flaws by saying Zyzz was young enough to improve them. Not hating. Just enjoying the irony.[/quote]

Did you quote me on accident? Nothing you posted had anything to do with what I wrote. The only person saying that Zyzz was flawless has been thefederalist. Because he is a troll. I don’t understand why some of you guys have so much trouble realizing this. You jumped all over Roguevampire for being a troll when he’s really just a weird guy. Why are none of you acknowledging that thefederalist is a troll?

Edit: Actually, I really don’t know. Roguevampire might be a troll, I have no idea. [/quote]

No accident. I was explaining to you why Professor X did not “insinuate homosexuality” in what he said. You are one of the people that said Zyzz shouldn’t be compared to older trainees. Is he perfect, then?.

Roguevampire IS a troll. I already know that. I “jump all over him” to point out his
trollishness to people who can’t seem to see it for themselves. I’m also aware that The Federalist is trolling in the name of Zyzz - you apparently knew that as well, but it didn’t stop you fanning the fires of this thread, did it?

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[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]DanielDJ wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
But if you want to point out flaws, then accept what people view as flaws. If you want to romanticize every facet of this guy’s life, then do THAT but don’t disguise it as a request for objective criticism.

S[/quote]

Bingo. This guy’s life is not an issue here if the question is what his flaws are.

What does his “inspiration to hit the gym” have to do with his lagging upper chest?[/quote]

lagging upper chest in comparison to what? the average joe? nope it aint lagging at all?

simple point is if you are pointing out flaws based on a better physique built in more years then its stupid and pointless. everyone has flaws then

im a skinny fuck compared to you and need 100lbs of mass but compared to kai greene your physique is below standards too then
[/quote]

Um, lagging upper chest compared to his lower chest maybe?

And lol at YOU telling a pro natural bodybuilder (you do realize he is a pro natural bodybuilder right?) that his physique is inadequate.

And who in their right mind compares a natural BBer to someone who is juiced up to gills like Kai Green? [/quote]

this was in reply to prof x :confused:

prof x aint a pro natural bodybuilder as far as i know (think hes huge tho could only dream of holding as much mass as him)

and if it wasnt obvious enough, my point was that every bodies physique is flawed compared to someone elses

and that if you calling out zyzz’ physique because it doesn’t match another bodybuilders physique its stupid cause in that case everybody is inadequate cause theres always someone better

and i use kai green cause its an obvious comparison just how x’s physique is obviously better than mine

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plitt shits on zyzz. hence why he’s been on the front cover of just about every fitness magazine known to man.
-that ain’t photoshopped. his abs are more defined, he isn’t even cut up here. His chest is fuller, shoulders wider, traps taller. what else?
credit where credit is due, zyzz is lean as hell, and looks really good. but there are SOO many dudes who look as good, and plenty that look BETTER. i just dont get the sensation. although i really like the interview he did…

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[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]165StateChamp wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]165StateChamp wrote:
I guess I just don’t understand what a statement like “I just don’t see why there is such a push to act as if he was physically perfect…especially from other guys” has to do with anything unless it’s to insinuate homosexuality. I don’t really care to argue the point though. [/quote]

That wasn’t what was said. This whole thread has been a back-and-forth between people saying Zyzz’(s?) physique could be improved upon and fanboys that say his aesthetics were flawless, but defend any perceptible flaws by saying Zyzz was young enough to improve them. Not hating. Just enjoying the irony.[/quote]

Did you quote me on accident? Nothing you posted had anything to do with what I wrote. The only person saying that Zyzz was flawless has been thefederalist. Because he is a troll. I don’t understand why some of you guys have so much trouble realizing this. You jumped all over Roguevampire for being a troll when he’s really just a weird guy. Why are none of you acknowledging that thefederalist is a troll?

Edit: Actually, I really don’t know. Roguevampire might be a troll, I have no idea. [/quote]

No accident. I was explaining to you why Professor X did not “insinuate homosexuality” in what he said. You are one of the people that said Zyzz shouldn’t be compared to older trainees. Is he perfect, then?.

Roguevampire IS a troll. I already know that. I “jump all over him” to point out his
trollishness to people who can’t seem to see it for themselves. I’m also aware that The Federalist is trolling in the name of Zyzz - you apparently knew that as well, but it didn’t stop you fanning the fires of this thread, did it?[/quote]

I still don’t know where you explained anything about PX.

When did I say Zyzz shouldn’t be compared to older trainees? Pull out a quote, I never said that. He’s obviously not perfect. Back, legs, arms, rear and side delts were all lagging. He had a good flow to his physique though and was bringing up those bodyparts when he died.

I didn’t contribute to the trolling at all. My first post in this thread that got harped on was about the hypocrisy and idiocy behind someone like Akuma01 saying that getting lean/staying lean is unimpressive. I couldn’t care less what people say about Zyzz. That doesn’t affect me at all. That wasn’t what I was arguing in the least.

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[quote]eightohfive wrote:
plitt shits on zyzz. hence why he’s been on the front cover of just about every fitness magazine known to man.
[/quote]

impeccable logic. youve won the best internetting of the day award.

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[quote]DanielDJ wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]DanielDJ wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
But if you want to point out flaws, then accept what people view as flaws. If you want to romanticize every facet of this guy’s life, then do THAT but don’t disguise it as a request for objective criticism.

S[/quote]

Bingo. This guy’s life is not an issue here if the question is what his flaws are.

What does his “inspiration to hit the gym” have to do with his lagging upper chest?[/quote]

lagging upper chest in comparison to what? the average joe? nope it aint lagging at all?

simple point is if you are pointing out flaws based on a better physique built in more years then its stupid and pointless. everyone has flaws then

im a skinny fuck compared to you and need 100lbs of mass but compared to kai greene your physique is below standards too then
[/quote]

Um, lagging upper chest compared to his lower chest maybe?

And lol at YOU telling a pro natural bodybuilder (you do realize he is a pro natural bodybuilder right?) that his physique is inadequate.

And who in their right mind compares a natural BBer to someone who is juiced up to gills like Kai Green? [/quote]

this was in reply to prof x :confused:

prof x aint a pro natural bodybuilder as far as i know (think hes huge tho could only dream of holding as much mass as him)

and if it wasnt obvious enough, my point was that every bodies physique is flawed compared to someone elses

and that if you calling out zyzz’ physique because it doesn’t match another bodybuilders physique its stupid cause in that case everybody is inadequate cause theres always someone better

and i use kai green cause its an obvious comparison just how x’s physique is obviously better than mine[/quote]

OK, so someone asked for the faults, we give them, and then we get people acting like those faults don’t matter because of his age?

He’s dead. He isn’t getting any “older”. We can only go by past pictures…and yeah, if someone asks for faults, don’t act surprised when we point them out.

I wasn’t comparing him to anyone else except for my mention of Arnold. Zyzz is no Arnold. He is an internet sensation…that people will not be holding as a household name 30 years from now.

I hope his afterlife is better than this one.

I also hope his fanboys quit with this much defense if anyone so much as simply avoids praising him.

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[quote]165StateChamp wrote:

I didn’t contribute to the trolling at all. My first post in this thread that got harped on was about the hypocrisy and idiocy behind someone like Akuma01 saying that getting lean/staying lean is unimpressive. I couldn’t care less what people say about Zyzz. That doesn’t affect me at all. That wasn’t what I was arguing in the least. [/quote]

No offense, but it just sounds like you have something against Akuma. Being big and lean is impressive. Being not so big and lean will not shock that many people…except usually people smaller than the guy being discussed.

I don’t see anyone here bashing members like MadTitan. I consider him a friend. He also carries a far more impressive build than Zyzz yet people are still bringing this guy up as if he had no equal.

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[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:

[quote]eightohfive wrote:
plitt shits on zyzz. hence why he’s been on the front cover of just about every fitness magazine known to man.
[/quote]

impeccable logic. youve won the best internetting of the day award.[/quote]
not solely based on that fact, but another “piece of evidence” cluing in on the fact that zyzz isn’t SUPER AWESOME BRO!!
zyzz was plenty popular and had lots of fans, i think if he were SUPER AWESOME, he woulda made the cover of something

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[quote]165StateChamp wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]165StateChamp wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
Are you trying to make a point here? I have no idea what you are trying to say. I never said anything about any of those pics being the same. Look closely.
[/quote]

I don’t understand where you’re coming from in the slightest. I posted a picture that Shelby Starnes captioned with ‘Offseason update, 235.4 this morning’. Offseason. Update. Shelby said he was offseason. When you put the word offseason in quotes I assumed you were saying that it wasn’t a true offseason shot.

Honestly, I don’t even feel like typing out any more responses. Can we just stop the arguing? I don’t really care. I feel like we agree on enough that differences of opinion on Shelby Starnes’ offeason condition should not be a point of argument for the both of us. [/quote]

Ok I figured that was a pic of him last year cutting down from 246 (his peak offseason weight which he held for two months) when it may be this year of him getting back up to 246. Regardless, It was not representative of his peak offseason physiqe of 246 (prob heavier this year) where he is 10+ lbs heavier and not what I would consider lean.
[/quote]

Goshdarnit, I just can’t keep myself from continuing this. lol. After last offseason, Shelby felt that he needed to keep his weight lower (I assume this also means keep his body fat lower). He has not gotten as fat as he was the prior offseason. I don’t consider that lean either. The highest he got this offseason was 240 (don’t quote me on that though) while being much leaner than the photo that you posted.

In his articles, he routinely talks about staying as lean as possible while making gains (minimizing unnecessary fat gain). The guy practices what he preaches.

Just to clarify, I’m this knowledgeable of Shelby because I follow his progress and consider him very motivational. To me, he’s the ultimate example of a bodybuilder, constantly busting ass and living the lifestyle.

inb4 someone says “I just don’t see why there is such a push to act as if he was physically perfect…especially from other guys” about me defending the idea that Shelby Starnes stays lean in the offseason. [/quote]

Ok no doubt Shelby would want to stay as lean as possible while making gains. but staying lean as possible while making gains is not near the same thing as just staying as lean as possible. While he avoids unnecessary fat gain, fat gain is necessary to make the improvements he wants to, whether he gets to 240 or 246 offseason. Maybe you consider him being 40+ lbs over contest condition lean, I don’t. He is nowhere near zyzz lean offseason because he is a competitive bodybuilder, zyzz was not.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]165StateChamp wrote:

I didn’t contribute to the trolling at all. My first post in this thread that got harped on was about the hypocrisy and idiocy behind someone like Akuma01 saying that getting lean/staying lean is unimpressive. I couldn’t care less what people say about Zyzz. That doesn’t affect me at all. That wasn’t what I was arguing in the least. [/quote]

No offense, but it just sounds like you have something against Akuma. Being big and lean is impressive. Being not so big and lean will not shock that many people…except usually people smaller than the guy being discussed.

I don’t see anyone here bashing members like MadTitan. I consider him a friend. He also carries a far more impressive build than Zyzz yet people are still bringing this guy up as if he had no equal.[/quote]

I guess in a way I do have something against Akuma01. I’ve seen his posts in this forum and in the Training Logs section and the impression I got of him was that he was:

  1. Solely focused on building his internet reputation.
  2. Whiny.
  3. A liar.

He put himself on display when he didn’t have the goods, lied about his lifts and then quit when the going got tough and he finally got down to mid-teens body fat. To me, that is everything that is wrong with ‘internet bodybuilding’. It’s a display of ego but with absolutely no substance behind it. That is what I have against him and that’s why I found his thinking that leanness was unimpressive so backwards. I am not one to post frequently (aside from this thread clearly, lol) but I had to speak up to point out the hypocrisy.

Mad Titan has an awesome physique and has always seemed humble and nice. There’s been a reason to bash him. The only people who post Zyzz threads and uphold him as a god are trolls. It’s our job not to feed them.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]DanielDJ wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]DanielDJ wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
But if you want to point out flaws, then accept what people view as flaws. If you want to romanticize every facet of this guy’s life, then do THAT but don’t disguise it as a request for objective criticism.

S[/quote]

Bingo. This guy’s life is not an issue here if the question is what his flaws are.

What does his “inspiration to hit the gym” have to do with his lagging upper chest?[/quote]

lagging upper chest in comparison to what? the average joe? nope it aint lagging at all?

simple point is if you are pointing out flaws based on a better physique built in more years then its stupid and pointless. everyone has flaws then

im a skinny fuck compared to you and need 100lbs of mass but compared to kai greene your physique is below standards too then
[/quote]

Um, lagging upper chest compared to his lower chest maybe?

And lol at YOU telling a pro natural bodybuilder (you do realize he is a pro natural bodybuilder right?) that his physique is inadequate.

And who in their right mind compares a natural BBer to someone who is juiced up to gills like Kai Green? [/quote]

this was in reply to prof x :confused:

prof x aint a pro natural bodybuilder as far as i know (think hes huge tho could only dream of holding as much mass as him)

and if it wasnt obvious enough, my point was that every bodies physique is flawed compared to someone elses

and that if you calling out zyzz’ physique because it doesn’t match another bodybuilders physique its stupid cause in that case everybody is inadequate cause theres always someone better

and i use kai green cause its an obvious comparison just how x’s physique is obviously better than mine[/quote]

OK, so someone asked for the faults, we give them, and then we get people acting like those faults don’t matter because of his age?

He’s dead. He isn’t getting any “older”. We can only go by past pictures…and yeah, if someone asks for faults, don’t act surprised when we point them out.

I wasn’t comparing him to anyone else except for my mention of Arnold. Zyzz is no Arnold. He is an internet sensation…that people will not be holding as a household name 30 years from now.

I hope his afterlife is better than this one.

I also hope his fanboys quit with this much defense if anyone so much as simply avoids praising him.[/quote]

cant see how you dont think age is a factor when it comes to bodybuilding tbh

never even noticed you compared him to anybody, i was replying to mighty stu comparing his development to a natty pro kurt weidner then you got involved cause i said thats like comparing curry based on ronnie colemans physique lol

and not much of a fanboy didnt know much about him till i researched after reading this thread

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[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

Ok no doubt Shelby would want to stay as lean as possible while making gains. but staying lean as possible while making gains is not near the same thing as just staying as lean as possible. While he avoids unnecessary fat gain, fat gain is necessary to make the improvements he wants to, whether he gets to 240 or 246 offseason. Maybe you consider him being 40+ lbs over contest condition lean, I don’t. He is nowhere near zyzz lean offseason because he is a competitive bodybuilder, zyzz was not.
[/quote]

Can we end this please?! lol. This is going to be another point of discussion but to me there are multiple levels of good condition.

  • Contest shape
  • Shredded
  • Ripped
  • Lean

If I made it seem as if I thought bodybuilders should stay as lean as Zyzz in the offseason (shredded) then I apologize, because that was not my intent at all. To me Shelby Starnes is ‘lean’, the fourth tier. Part of why he might appear fatter than he actually is is due to drugs. But man, that is yet another topic of discussion, isn’t it?!

If you really wanted to stay shredded while gaining though, I’m sure you could ramp up drug use and achieve that.

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[quote]165StateChamp wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]165StateChamp wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]165StateChamp wrote:
I guess I just don’t understand what a statement like “I just don’t see why there is such a push to act as if he was physically perfect…especially from other guys” has to do with anything unless it’s to insinuate homosexuality. I don’t really care to argue the point though. [/quote]

That wasn’t what was said. This whole thread has been a back-and-forth between people saying Zyzz’(s?) physique could be improved upon and fanboys that say his aesthetics were flawless, but defend any perceptible flaws by saying Zyzz was young enough to improve them. Not hating. Just enjoying the irony.[/quote]

Did you quote me on accident? Nothing you posted had anything to do with what I wrote. The only person saying that Zyzz was flawless has been thefederalist. Because he is a troll. I don’t understand why some of you guys have so much trouble realizing this. You jumped all over Roguevampire for being a troll when he’s really just a weird guy. Why are none of you acknowledging that thefederalist is a troll?

Edit: Actually, I really don’t know. Roguevampire might be a troll, I have no idea. [/quote]

No accident. I was explaining to you why Professor X did not “insinuate homosexuality” in what he said. You are one of the people that said Zyzz shouldn’t be compared to older trainees. Is he perfect, then?.

Roguevampire IS a troll. I already know that. I “jump all over him” to point out his
trollishness to people who can’t seem to see it for themselves. I’m also aware that The Federalist is trolling in the name of Zyzz - you apparently knew that as well, but it didn’t stop you fanning the fires of this thread, did it?[/quote]

I still don’t know where you explained anything about PX.

[/quote]

Read the posts and use your head. I can’t fathom how you came to the conclusion that X was calling anybody gay when you already know that the OP is trolling and you yourself sees that Zyzz needs to bring up certain areas. If you want me to spell it out, X was saying that people shouldn’t hold Zyzz as a standard of perfection. The worrying part is that you’ve made these observations yourself but still have to argue it out to understand it.

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[quote]165StateChamp wrote:

[quote]23278 wrote:
Perhaps the problem is that some of you don’t understand that him being lean is not impressive because, well, it isn’t to the bodybuilding community. Guy looks good no doubt, but it’s nothing special in this atmosphere.[/quote]

Can you stay as lean as he did year round? You have a great physique and stay pretty lean from what I’ve seen, but I highly doubt it. Being able to stay that lean IS impressive.

inb4 natural vs geared comment[/quote]

So here you refer to zyzz being lean, now he is shredded so you can make a point. We could talk about what is lean or shredded all day though and never agree because our perceptions of that are obviously different, which is fine.

The above quote is the whole reason I got into this though. You are talking to someone that got contest condition and doubting that he can be lean/shredded year round like zyzz as if that is more imrpessive, when the goals of both are completely different as I have explained.

I keep thinking every time I post in this thread it’s my last, but you just keep reeling me in. I agree with most of what you’re saying other than the above. I’ll let you have the last word man.

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[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]165StateChamp wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]165StateChamp wrote:

[quote]roybot wrote:

[quote]165StateChamp wrote:
I guess I just don’t understand what a statement like “I just don’t see why there is such a push to act as if he was physically perfect…especially from other guys” has to do with anything unless it’s to insinuate homosexuality. I don’t really care to argue the point though. [/quote]

That wasn’t what was said. This whole thread has been a back-and-forth between people saying Zyzz’(s?) physique could be improved upon and fanboys that say his aesthetics were flawless, but defend any perceptible flaws by saying Zyzz was young enough to improve them. Not hating. Just enjoying the irony.[/quote]

Did you quote me on accident? Nothing you posted had anything to do with what I wrote. The only person saying that Zyzz was flawless has been thefederalist. Because he is a troll. I don’t understand why some of you guys have so much trouble realizing this. You jumped all over Roguevampire for being a troll when he’s really just a weird guy. Why are none of you acknowledging that thefederalist is a troll?

Edit: Actually, I really don’t know. Roguevampire might be a troll, I have no idea. [/quote]

No accident. I was explaining to you why Professor X did not “insinuate homosexuality” in what he said. You are one of the people that said Zyzz shouldn’t be compared to older trainees. Is he perfect, then?.

Roguevampire IS a troll. I already know that. I “jump all over him” to point out his
trollishness to people who can’t seem to see it for themselves. I’m also aware that The Federalist is trolling in the name of Zyzz - you apparently knew that as well, but it didn’t stop you fanning the fires of this thread, did it?[/quote]

I still don’t know where you explained anything about PX.

[/quote]

Read the posts and use your head. I can’t fathom how you came to the conclusion that X was calling anybody gay when you already know that the OP is trolling and you yourself sees that Zyzz needs to bring up certain areas. If you want me to spell it out, X was saying that people shouldn’t hold Zyzz as a standard of perfection. The worrying part is that you’ve made these observations yourself but still have to argue it out to understand it.[/quote]

U seem mad brah. The quote insinuates that people defending Zyzz are gays. If you can’t see that, you need to open your eyes, read the post again and use your head. The quote would say what you say it does if it didn’t have that pesky “…especially from other guys” part. PX and I aren’t even arguing this. The worrying part is that you’ve decided to stick your nose in two other people’s discussion and still have to argue for no reason.

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[quote]DanielDJ wrote:

[quote]audiogarden1 wrote:

[quote]DanielDJ wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
But if you want to point out flaws, then accept what people view as flaws. If you want to romanticize every facet of this guy’s life, then do THAT but don’t disguise it as a request for objective criticism.

S[/quote]

Bingo. This guy’s life is not an issue here if the question is what his flaws are.

What does his “inspiration to hit the gym” have to do with his lagging upper chest?[/quote]

lagging upper chest in comparison to what? the average joe? nope it aint lagging at all?

simple point is if you are pointing out flaws based on a better physique built in more years then its stupid and pointless. everyone has flaws then

im a skinny fuck compared to you and need 100lbs of mass but compared to kai greene your physique is below standards too then
[/quote]

Um, lagging upper chest compared to his lower chest maybe?

And lol at YOU telling a pro natural bodybuilder (you do realize he is a pro natural bodybuilder right?) that his physique is inadequate.

And who in their right mind compares a natural BBer to someone who is juiced up to gills like Kai Green? [/quote]

this was in reply to prof x :confused:

prof x aint a pro natural bodybuilder as far as i know (think hes huge tho could only dream of holding as much mass as him)

and if it wasnt obvious enough, my point was that every bodies physique is flawed compared to someone elses

and that if you calling out zyzz’ physique because it doesn’t match another bodybuilders physique its stupid cause in that case everybody is inadequate cause theres always someone better

and i use kai green cause its an obvious comparison just how x’s physique is obviously better than mine[/quote]

After taking another look i realize you may not have been referring to stu. Either way, the issue at hand is not black and white, and both sides have valid points but theres too many shades of gray to argue in hopes of making everyone agree.

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[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]165StateChamp wrote:

[quote]23278 wrote:
Perhaps the problem is that some of you don’t understand that him being lean is not impressive because, well, it isn’t to the bodybuilding community. Guy looks good no doubt, but it’s nothing special in this atmosphere.[/quote]

Can you stay as lean as he did year round? You have a great physique and stay pretty lean from what I’ve seen, but I highly doubt it. Being able to stay that lean IS impressive.

inb4 natural vs geared comment[/quote]

So here you refer to zyzz being lean, now he is shredded so you can make a point. We could talk about what is lean or shredded all day though and never agree because our perceptions of that are obviously different, which is fine.

The above quote is the whole reason I got into this though. You are talking to someone that got contest condition and doubting that he can be lean/shredded year round like zyzz as if that is more imrpessive, when the goals of both are completely different as I have explained.

I keep thinking every time I post in this thread it’s my last, but you just keep reeling me in. I agree with most of what you’re saying other than the above. I’ll let you have the last word man.
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