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[quote]165StateChamp wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]165StateChamp wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]165StateChamp wrote:

[quote]23278 wrote:
Perhaps the problem is that some of you don’t understand that him being lean is not impressive because, well, it isn’t to the bodybuilding community. Guy looks good no doubt, but it’s nothing special in this atmosphere.[/quote]

Can you stay as lean as he did year round? You have a great physique and stay pretty lean from what I’ve seen, but I highly doubt it. Being able to stay that lean IS impressive.

inb4 natural vs geared comment[/quote]

What does staying lean year round have to do with the sport of bodybuilding? it’s about bringing the best physique on contest day, you don’t get extra points for being leaner throughout the year. No reason a competing bodybuilder would want to stay contest lean year round when it would lead to a less impressive stage physique in the end when they are actually judged.
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I’m going to write a few things are off-topic to what you’re saying but it’s the only way to get my point across. What Aziz/Zyzz aspired to was a physique similar to drugged bodybuilders like Arnold or Zane or one similar to high-level ‘natural’ bodybuilders like Ulisses Williams Jr. Those are bodybuilders who stayed lean. Most natural pros stay very lean in the offseason. Most competitive drugged bodybuilders these days stay leaner than almost any poster on this site. Shelby Starnes is lean in his offseason. John Meadows is lean in his offseason.

While Zyzz wasn’t a bodybuilder, he (at least at one point) wanted a ‘natural’ bodybuilding physique. He took the fast route and got there by using drugs. His physique is no different than many natural bodybuilders or even drugged bodybuilders or physique competitors you might find on stage. His leanness is impressive in and of itself. There are very few people who manage to stay that lean while simultaneously making massive gains. He’s impressive in the same way that Brandon Curry, Mad Titan and kingbeef323 are impressive; they’re all guys that stayed lean by any standard while getting bigger. [/quote]

If you followed Shelbys spills while he was getting ready for his show you would have seen that he was not zyyzyz lean in the offseason. Dude dropped 30-40 something pounds in his prep. Neither does Brandon Curry. Your response to 23278 and him getting in contest condition was “well can you stay that way year round like zyyyx.” My point is that is NOT what bodybuilding is judged on. Im not saying get Trey Brewer fat and that all bodybuilders do that, but staying contest type lean year round is not the optimal way to make improvements for the next year. [/quote]

I’m Shelby’s Facebook friend and I make sure to creep his page every day. lol. I’m well aware of Shelby’s preferences in the offseason and he talks all the time about wanting to stay lean and not get too fat. If he does look ‘fat’, it’s because of the drugs he’s on. Also, Shelby gets very, very lean. 30-40 pounds is totally understandable in his case. Brandon Curry has been said to stay at ‘6 weeks out’ levels of conditioning year round.

In conclusion, I am not saying that people should stay in contest shape year round. That was not my argument at all. I am saying that being ‘lean’ year round is a good thing. The main point of my posts has been to refute what Akuma01 said. Being lean like that, for the short term or even year round, is impressive. Not too many people can do that. [/quote]

Ok sorry to bring this up again. I agree zyzzz has an impressive physique and your points above mostly. My main point was you comment to 23278 about if he could stay lean year round, when that;s not the goal. I completely agree those that have never been lean such as Akuma saying it’s easy is BS. Not to bring up the old argument but we probably have a difference of opinion of lean. Shelby’s “fluffy” is not lean IMO, especially not zyyz lean. But he allows that so he can make improvements each year. I guess i’m just saying theres a big difference between peopole who have the goal of bringing the best physique for one specific day of the year and people with the goal of having their best physique every day of the year. Lean year round is only a good thing for the former if it leads to a better pysique on that one specific day.

Also, what seperates zzyyz from any other fitness or underwear model that stays lean year round besides his haircut, makeup, and weird name?

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[quote]Hallowed wrote:

[quote]Think tank fish wrote:
Looks like an average guy who works out and stays lean. Why is he famous?[/quote]

His physique had flaws. SIZE and damn that upper chest LOL I never see anything til someone else points it out.

His physique was also extremely aesthetically pleasing and fo sho a pussy puller.

The reason he is famous is the cult of personality that he built.

Summed up best in this picture.

I look at this pic and I fucking get it.

I really do.[/quote]

I get it. Its an internet thing. The alternative ‘bodybuilder’.

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[quote]Think tank fish wrote:

[quote]Hallowed wrote:

[quote]Think tank fish wrote:
Looks like an average guy who works out and stays lean. Why is he famous?[/quote]

His physique had flaws. SIZE and damn that upper chest LOL I never see anything til someone else points it out.

His physique was also extremely aesthetically pleasing and fo sho a pussy puller.

The reason he is famous is the cult of personality that he built.

Summed up best in this picture.

I look at this pic and I fucking get it.

I really do.[/quote]

I get it. Its an internet thing. The alternative ‘bodybuilder’.[/quote]

Well yes. Its an internet thing, Except maybe in AU, Zyzz is ‘internet famous’ he certainly isn’t on entertainment tonight or the cover of people.

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[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

Also, what seperates zzyyz from any other fitness or underwear model that stays lean year round besides his haircut, makeup, and weird name?

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Good question…and implying he is “flawless” like the OP did by even asking the question is priceless.

Someone mentioned MadTitan. I would find MT way more impressive than someone like Zyzz.

But hey, this thread has been read enough times for it to be clear some are just here as Zyzz-worshipers keeping an eye out for anyone who would so much as “not praise” Zyzz.

I am sure Zyzz inspired some people…but this thread or threads about his development probably don’t belong in bodybuilding forums unless discussing how he helped people lift and use drugs.

Once again, I’m not knocking Zyzz or degrading him. I just don’t see why there is such a push to act as if he was physically perfect…especially from other guys.

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JJ in offseason mode

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

Also, what seperates zzyyz from any other fitness or underwear model that stays lean year round besides his haircut, makeup, and weird name?

[/quote]

Good question…and implying he is “flawless” like the OP did by even asking the question is priceless.

Someone mentioned MadTitan. I would find MT way more impressive than someone like Zyzz.

But hey, this thread has been read enough times for it to be clear some are just here as Zyzz-worshipers keeping an eye out for anyone who would so much as “not praise” Zyzz.

I am sure Zyzz inspired some people…but this thread or threads about his development probably don’t belong in bodybuilding forums unless discussing how he helped people lift and use drugs.

Once again, I’m not knocking Zyzz or degrading him. I just don’t see why there is such a push to act as if he was physically perfect…especially from other guys.[/quote]

yes Madtitan you think competitive bodybuilder. No idea if he has done any contests but he certainly looks like he could do very well. zyyzz not so much.

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[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
Ok sorry to bring this up again. I agree zyzzz has an impressive physique and your points above mostly. My main point was you comment to 23278 about if he could stay lean year round, when that;s not the goal. I completely agree those that have never been lean such as Akuma saying it’s easy is BS. Not to bring up the old argument but we probably have a difference of opinion of lean. Shelby’s “fluffy” is not lean IMO, especially not zyyz lean. But he allows that so he can make improvements each year. I guess i’m just saying theres a big difference between peopole who have the goal of bringing the best physique for one specific day of the year and people with the goal of having their best physique every day of the year. Lean year round is only a good thing for the former if it leads to a better pysique on that one specific day.

Also, what seperates zzyyz from any other fitness or underwear model that stays lean year round besides his haircut, makeup, and weird name?

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The question to 23278 was hypothetical. I asked him ‘Can you stay as lean as he did year round?’ That wasn’t me advising him to stay lean year round. I would never even attempt to give 23278 advice because the guy is so far ahead of me in the game of bodybuilding that the idea is ridiculous. When Shelby gets ‘fluffy’, he realizes it and adjusts his strategy until he is back in shape. Personally, I consider this pretty lean for an off-season bodybuilder, especially one who competes in non-tested competition as they have the habit of cruising on their drugs and getting fatter when not competing.

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/384708_10150990588200352_781550351_21916332_1901581132_n.jpg

235 lbs

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/387314_10150950809120352_781550351_21770137_919266259_n.jpg

226 lbs

However, I have no disagreement with your thinking that contest-lean is not the ideal for the off-season. It’s not. It’s almost certainly unhealthy. You are absolutely correct. I’m not going to answer your last question because I have not stated my opinions on Zyzz in this thread at all and I have no desire to.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Good question…and implying he is “flawless” like the OP did by even asking the question is priceless.

Someone mentioned MadTitan. I would find MT way more impressive than someone like Zyzz.

But hey, this thread has been read enough times for it to be clear some are just here as Zyzz-worshipers keeping an eye out for anyone who would so much as “not praise” Zyzz.

I am sure Zyzz inspired some people…but this thread or threads about his development probably don’t belong in bodybuilding forums unless discussing how he helped people lift and use drugs.

Once again, I’m not knocking Zyzz or degrading him. I just don’t see why there is such a push to act as if he was physically perfect…especially from other guys.[/quote]

Lol, if you haven’t realized by now tht the concept of this thread was to TROLL the Bodybuilding forum, I don’t know what to tell you. The question in the OP was clearly not a serious one.

Why is it that you insinuate that the people who defend this heterosexual guy are gay, when you frequently jump into threads to defend guys like Vic Richards and Kai Greene (who happens to be a G4P star)? Does that make you gay? I mean, seriously? Come on. You’re better than that.

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[quote]165StateChamp wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Good question…and implying he is “flawless” like the OP did by even asking the question is priceless.

Someone mentioned MadTitan. I would find MT way more impressive than someone like Zyzz.

But hey, this thread has been read enough times for it to be clear some are just here as Zyzz-worshipers keeping an eye out for anyone who would so much as “not praise” Zyzz.

I am sure Zyzz inspired some people…but this thread or threads about his development probably don’t belong in bodybuilding forums unless discussing how he helped people lift and use drugs.

Once again, I’m not knocking Zyzz or degrading him. I just don’t see why there is such a push to act as if he was physically perfect…especially from other guys.[/quote]

Lol, if you haven’t realized by now tht the concept of this thread was to TROLL the Bodybuilding forum, I don’t know what to tell you. The question in the OP was clearly not a serious one.

Why is it that you insinuate that the people who defend this heterosexual guy are gay, when you frequently jump into threads to defend guys like Vic Richards and Kai Greene (who happens to be a G4P star)? Does that make you gay? I mean, seriously? Come on. You’re better than that.[/quote]

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I didn’t call anyone gay. In fact, I meant exactly what I wrote. I don’t and have never degraded someone on this forum for being homosexual. I don’t even use the word “ghey” much because my goal is to not offend someone for sexuality alone.

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[quote]hanban wrote:
JJ in offseason mode

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Clearly oh so worried about abs.

He must be a bad bad bodybuilder to not stay super lean all year.

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I guess I just don’t understand what a statement like “I just don’t see why there is such a push to act as if he was physically perfect…especially from other guys” has to do with anything unless it’s to insinuate homosexuality. I don’t really care to argue the point though.

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to the ppl saying plitt sh*ts on zyzz. this was from 2009 when zyzz was far smaller than his 2011 size. half of plitt’s photos are shopped.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]hanban wrote:
JJ in offseason mode

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Clearly oh so worried about abs.

He must be a bad bad bodybuilder to not stay super lean all year.[/quote]

yes but how can you “pull pussy fo sho” like that? the girlz love the abz
you can read on and on about how its best to stay lean all year round, but the guys willing to let go of the sixpack to really push their weight up and get bigger and stronger are the ones who really stand out in this game.

even in the “fitness model” niche, guys like Mike Ohearn who dwarfs Zyzz in mass , is a guy who really needs to stay lean and cut for those cover shots, yet finds the time to get bigger and shoots his weight up to 300 pounds.

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[quote]165StateChamp wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
Ok sorry to bring this up again. I agree zyzzz has an impressive physique and your points above mostly. My main point was you comment to 23278 about if he could stay lean year round, when that;s not the goal. I completely agree those that have never been lean such as Akuma saying it’s easy is BS. Not to bring up the old argument but we probably have a difference of opinion of lean. Shelby’s “fluffy” is not lean IMO, especially not zyyz lean. But he allows that so he can make improvements each year. I guess i’m just saying theres a big difference between peopole who have the goal of bringing the best physique for one specific day of the year and people with the goal of having their best physique every day of the year. Lean year round is only a good thing for the former if it leads to a better pysique on that one specific day.

Also, what seperates zzyyz from any other fitness or underwear model that stays lean year round besides his haircut, makeup, and weird name?

[/quote]

The question to 23278 was hypothetical. I asked him ‘Can you stay as lean as he did year round?’ That wasn’t me advising him to stay lean year round. I would never even attempt to give 23278 advice because the guy is so far ahead of me in the game of bodybuilding that the idea is ridiculous. When Shelby gets ‘fluffy’, he realizes it and adjusts his strategy until he is back in shape. Personally, I consider this pretty lean for an off-season bodybuilder, especially one who competes in non-tested competition as they have the habit of cruising on their drugs and getting fatter when not competing.

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/384708_10150990588200352_781550351_21916332_1901581132_n.jpg

235 lbs

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/387314_10150950809120352_781550351_21770137_919266259_n.jpg

226 lbs

However, I have no disagreement with your thinking that contest-lean is not the ideal for the off-season. It’s not. It’s almost certainly unhealthy. You are absolutely correct. I’m not going to answer your last question because I have not stated my opinions on Zyzz in this thread at all and I have no desire to.[/quote]

Interesting that you post a pic of shelby at 235 “offseason” when his actual offseason weight was 246 here. Also keep in mind he is posing, standing relaxed he would look a lot Fluffier (love that word). Is he fat? no. Is he lean? I sure don’t think so, he is almost 50 pounds from his contest weight. c’mon man.

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[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]165StateChamp wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
Ok sorry to bring this up again. I agree zyzzz has an impressive physique and your points above mostly. My main point was you comment to 23278 about if he could stay lean year round, when that;s not the goal. I completely agree those that have never been lean such as Akuma saying it’s easy is BS. Not to bring up the old argument but we probably have a difference of opinion of lean. Shelby’s “fluffy” is not lean IMO, especially not zyyz lean. But he allows that so he can make improvements each year. I guess i’m just saying theres a big difference between peopole who have the goal of bringing the best physique for one specific day of the year and people with the goal of having their best physique every day of the year. Lean year round is only a good thing for the former if it leads to a better pysique on that one specific day.

Also, what seperates zzyyz from any other fitness or underwear model that stays lean year round besides his haircut, makeup, and weird name?

[/quote]

The question to 23278 was hypothetical. I asked him ‘Can you stay as lean as he did year round?’ That wasn’t me advising him to stay lean year round. I would never even attempt to give 23278 advice because the guy is so far ahead of me in the game of bodybuilding that the idea is ridiculous. When Shelby gets ‘fluffy’, he realizes it and adjusts his strategy until he is back in shape. Personally, I consider this pretty lean for an off-season bodybuilder, especially one who competes in non-tested competition as they have the habit of cruising on their drugs and getting fatter when not competing.

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/384708_10150990588200352_781550351_21916332_1901581132_n.jpg

235 lbs

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/387314_10150950809120352_781550351_21770137_919266259_n.jpg

226 lbs

However, I have no disagreement with your thinking that contest-lean is not the ideal for the off-season. It’s not. It’s almost certainly unhealthy. You are absolutely correct. I’m not going to answer your last question because I have not stated my opinions on Zyzz in this thread at all and I have no desire to.[/quote]

Interesting that you post a pic of shelby at 235 “offseason” when his actual offseason weight was 246 here. Also keep in mind he is posing, standing relaxed he would look a lot Fluffier (love that word). Is he fat? no. Is he lean? I sure don’t think so, he is almost 50 pounds from his contest weight. c’mon man.[/quote]

Come out and call me a liar, don’t insinuate. Those two photos are not the same! Look closely. He competes as a light heavy while ‘cutting weight’ and muscle and fills out the class at 198. If he wanted to, he could hit the stage at 205.

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[quote]DanielDJ wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
But if you want to point out flaws, then accept what people view as flaws. If you want to romanticize every facet of this guy’s life, then do THAT but don’t disguise it as a request for objective criticism.

S[/quote]

Bingo. This guy’s life is not an issue here if the question is what his flaws are.

What does his “inspiration to hit the gym” have to do with his lagging upper chest?[/quote]

lagging upper chest in comparison to what? the average joe? nope it aint lagging at all?

simple point is if you are pointing out flaws based on a better physique built in more years then its stupid and pointless. everyone has flaws then

im a skinny fuck compared to you and need 100lbs of mass but compared to kai greene your physique is below standards too then
[/quote]

Um, lagging upper chest compared to his lower chest maybe?

And lol at YOU telling a pro natural bodybuilder (you do realize he is a pro natural bodybuilder right?) that his physique is inadequate.

And who in their right mind compares a natural BBer to someone who is juiced up to gills like Kai Green?

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[quote]165StateChamp wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]165StateChamp wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
Ok sorry to bring this up again. I agree zyzzz has an impressive physique and your points above mostly. My main point was you comment to 23278 about if he could stay lean year round, when that;s not the goal. I completely agree those that have never been lean such as Akuma saying it’s easy is BS. Not to bring up the old argument but we probably have a difference of opinion of lean. Shelby’s “fluffy” is not lean IMO, especially not zyyz lean. But he allows that so he can make improvements each year. I guess i’m just saying theres a big difference between peopole who have the goal of bringing the best physique for one specific day of the year and people with the goal of having their best physique every day of the year. Lean year round is only a good thing for the former if it leads to a better pysique on that one specific day.

Also, what seperates zzyyz from any other fitness or underwear model that stays lean year round besides his haircut, makeup, and weird name?

[/quote]

The question to 23278 was hypothetical. I asked him ‘Can you stay as lean as he did year round?’ That wasn’t me advising him to stay lean year round. I would never even attempt to give 23278 advice because the guy is so far ahead of me in the game of bodybuilding that the idea is ridiculous. When Shelby gets ‘fluffy’, he realizes it and adjusts his strategy until he is back in shape. Personally, I consider this pretty lean for an off-season bodybuilder, especially one who competes in non-tested competition as they have the habit of cruising on their drugs and getting fatter when not competing.

http://a1.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/384708_10150990588200352_781550351_21916332_1901581132_n.jpg

235 lbs

http://a6.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/387314_10150950809120352_781550351_21770137_919266259_n.jpg

226 lbs

However, I have no disagreement with your thinking that contest-lean is not the ideal for the off-season. It’s not. It’s almost certainly unhealthy. You are absolutely correct. I’m not going to answer your last question because I have not stated my opinions on Zyzz in this thread at all and I have no desire to.[/quote]

Interesting that you post a pic of shelby at 235 “offseason” when his actual offseason weight was 246 here. Also keep in mind he is posing, standing relaxed he would look a lot Fluffier (love that word). Is he fat? no. Is he lean? I sure don’t think so, he is almost 50 pounds from his contest weight. c’mon man.[/quote]

Come out and call me a liar, don’t insinuate. Those two photos are not the same! Look closely. He competes as a light heavy while ‘cutting weight’ and muscle and fills out the class at 198. If he wanted to, he could hit the stage at 205. [/quote]

Are you trying to make a point here? I have no idea what you are trying to say. I never said anything about any of those pics being the same. Look closely.

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[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
Are you trying to make a point here? I have no idea what you are trying to say. I never said anything about any of those pics being the same. Look closely.
[/quote]

I don’t understand where you’re coming from in the slightest. I posted a picture that Shelby Starnes captioned with ‘Offseason update, 235.4 this morning’. Offseason. Update. Shelby said he was offseason. When you put the word offseason in quotes I assumed you were saying that it wasn’t a true offseason shot.

Honestly, I don’t even feel like typing out any more responses. Can we just stop the arguing? I don’t really care. I feel like we agree on enough that differences of opinion on Shelby Starnes’ offeason condition should not be a point of argument for the both of us.

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[quote]165StateChamp wrote:
I guess I just don’t understand what a statement like “I just don’t see why there is such a push to act as if he was physically perfect…especially from other guys” has to do with anything unless it’s to insinuate homosexuality. I don’t really care to argue the point though. [/quote]

That wasn’t what was said. This whole thread has been a back-and-forth between people saying Zyzz’(s?) physique could be improved upon and fanboys that say his aesthetics were flawless, but defend any perceptible flaws by saying Zyzz was young enough to improve them. Not hating. Just enjoying the irony.

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This is spectacular. RIP Zyzz or however you say it.