[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
[quote]Proud_Virgin wrote:
What do you consider ‘decent muscle’, for a 5’10" fellow at about your level of leanness?[/quote]
5’ 10" at my current level?
210 = decent
230 = big
250 = manimal
270 = beast
290+ = monster [/quote]
230 at <10% BF is “big”? Wow, tough standards…
God why are people defending Zyzz so much? I see guys with abs like him AND more mass at my commercial gym, because like him they use steroids.
[quote]Think tank fish wrote:
[quote]jskrabac wrote:
[quote]Think tank fish wrote:
Looks like an average guy who works out and stays lean.[/quote]
O rly?!![/quote]
Yeah, am I missing something. Just googled this guy but I dont see what the big deal is?
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Yea, you’re delusional and don’t understand the concept of “average.”
[quote]bugeishaAD wrote:
If I could have his aesthetics, I would take them in a heartbeat,
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Huh… Not that I’ve seen too many pics of Zyzz, but… Seems to me you’re selling yourself somewhat short there, brother. What do you think he has on you aesthetically?
Sure it’s not the cult of personality -part you want? (no accusation from me, your statement honestly surprised me some so I’m curious. Haven’t kept up with your progress enough lately, but you look great in your avatar and I have no idea why you’d want to look like zyzz instead unless it was the constant leanness part)
As for the guy… Did some funny stuff (him being asked to take a pic of someone and pulling up his shirt and photographing his own abs instead if I remember right etc. I thought it was pretty clever. So I’m easily amused. So what).
I think he could have used a lot more triceps, forearms, rear delts and a little more bis at the size he was at to balance things out and really go for the 70’s look. (well, I guess if we’re going with old-school aesthetics, more chest would have been a necessity because damn were they obsessed with that).
Legs a bit bigger overall to match the torso.
No idea what his back looks like.
No attack on him either, just what jumps out to me. Not like there are many people around who have every bodypart in balance, so take my comments for what they’re worth.
/edited because it’s early and I’m not a coffee drinker.
[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
[quote]bugeishaAD wrote:
Too many things I’d like to respond to individually, but I’ll throw out my thoughts:
The guy had a hell of a physique from a purely aesthetic standpoint. He wanted to look good naked and be pleasing to the eye; I’d say he accomplished his goal. OBVIOUSLY he does not compare to a competitive bodybuilder. Apples and oranges. If he had added 15 more lbs of lean muscle, IMO he would have made a hell of a physique competitor. Dude had some awesome lines and some good muscle bellies.
Lol @ whoever said “he looks good compared to the average joe”. HE LOOKS 10X BETTER THAN 90% of the POSTERS IN THIS THREAD. Special shout out to all the people without pics – STFU.
lol @ people like Akuma saying dieting is easy. Easy to say that when you’ve never been lean… Yeah it’s a shorter process, but until you have walked the walk, please shut the fuck up. Aren’t you the guy who gave up on your diet? Guess it’s not so easy, even with Stu in your corner? Sorry for being a dick, but I call it like I see it.
If I could have his aesthetics, I would take them in a heartbeat, and then work for the next 10 years to slap on another quality 40lbs of lean mass.
His nuthuggers get equally annoying, I agree, but I think they are kind of funny because they?re so childish and can?t really be taken seriously.
In closing, dude looks sick, obvi not a bb’er, it’s not easy being lean 24/7 if you don?t have the genetics for it.
K I’m done, hope that post makes sense.
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Best post in the thread.[/quote]
Agreed that sums up pretty much everything i thought while reading through this thread.
[quote]Proud_Virgin wrote:
[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
[quote]Proud_Virgin wrote:
Trey Brewer, attached, is the fattest any pro has stepped on stage in recent memory–and he caught hell for it. Funny thing is, most here would probably consider him “lean”, because his abs are still visible.[/quote]
We used to call that smooth, and any lifter without TOP SHELF genetics that expects to grow any decent muscle better get used to spending a significant amount of time looking smooth. [/quote]
TBH thats a flattering angle, here’s another one (sorry about the watermark).
What do you consider ‘decent muscle’, for a 5’10" fellow at about your level of leanness?[/quote]
You know this pic was taken after Trey Brewer had been completely away from the bodybuilding scene for like two years? That was a sad, sad guest posing of a once promising young BBer.
[quote]165StateChamp wrote:
In conclusion, I am not saying that people should stay in contest shape year round. That was not my argument at all. I am saying that being ‘lean’ year round is a good thing. [/quote]
Being lean year round is a genetic thing. Anyone approaching this as if that should be the primary goal instead of listening to your own genetics is doing it wrong. If you grow faster and gain more muscle being at “14%” most of the year rather than growing slower at “9%”, then staying leaner to grow slower doesn’t make much sense aside from personal preference.
The game here is progress. I don’t see anyone here telling people to do anything different than do what it takes to make the most of their individual genetics. Not everyone grows muscle optimally at the same body fat percentage.
[quote]Proud_Virgin wrote:
[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
[quote]Proud_Virgin wrote:
What do you consider ‘decent muscle’, for a 5’10" fellow at about your level of leanness?[/quote]
5’ 10" at my current level?
210 = decent
230 = big
250 = manimal
270 = beast
290+ = monster [/quote]
230 at <10% BF is “big”? Wow, tough standards…
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That’s the way it goes here. I don’t like how the establishment here refuses legitimacy to anyone under an ambiguous size barrier, however lifting is a test of character. Anyone can lift weights, true, but to keep at it, to gget better, it deserves respect. So to earn that respect you must display respect. I don’t think anyone is bothered with calling zyzz worthy of applause, but when someone takes it upon themselves to crusade against the mass game on behalf of zyzz you are really betraying his legacy. Because then you start to get the idea that zyzz was never going to try and become a huge bodybuilder, he was only 24. Lifting weights and exercise is a passion, and when you try and impose an aesthetic ideal upon bodybuilding, you are missing the point. When we, true lifters, see that massive man, his proportion, his lines, we know how much sacrifice that necessitates. Mr. Olympia is, in simple words, Zeus and Hercules. Capable of holding the world on their shoulder, he has to make the other competitors look like amateurs on stage.
No offense, Zyzz was the kimbo slice of bodybuilding.
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
[quote]bugeishaAD wrote:
If I could have his aesthetics, I would take them in a heartbeat,
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Huh… Not that I’ve seen too many pics of Zyzz, but… Seems to me you’re selling yourself somewhat short there, brother.[/quote]
This.
Just so we don’t re-visit the same arguments. Again.
[quote]eightohfive wrote:
Greg Plitt shits on this guy. Visit “simplyshredded” and you’ll see boat loads of dudes who are much more impressive than zyz, if we’re talking physique, not BBers.
not to mention, i’d taked ebomb’s physique over zyzz’s anyday.
…i’ve done my ego petting for the day
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invalid point considering most of those dudes on simplyshredded are well into there 30s, zyzz died at 22. most others around his age competed as BBers.
just seems stupid to judge a physique in the process of being built before he died especially considering he was about 6’2 and had to fill out more than people shorter.
anyone who hates on a deceased man who inspired teens to improve their physique, gain self belief, and live a healthy lifestle is just heartless
[quote]DanielDJ wrote:
anyone who hates on a deceased man who inspired teens to improve their physique, gain self belief, and live a healthy lifestle is just heartless [/quote]
I don’t think it’s a matter of hating. This thread was asking about his physique, not his physique in terms of his age, or even his lifestyle (which I doubt many would call a healthy one).
If you want to objective evaluate his build, regardless of all else, compare him with some of the ~6’ Natty Pros out there. Stand this guy up next to Kurt Weidner for example. Kurt didn’t rely on PEDs to build his 200+ lbs contest condition physique, and you’ll see why the hardcore bodybuilding fans (even those that only respect the IFBB caliber of competitor) give this guy so little acknowledgement.
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[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
[quote]DanielDJ wrote:
anyone who hates on a deceased man who inspired teens to improve their physique, gain self belief, and live a healthy lifestle is just heartless [/quote]
I don’t think it’s a matter of hating. This thread was asking about his physique, not his physique in terms of his age, or even his lifestyle (which I doubt many would call a healthy one).
If you want to objective evaluate his build, regardless of all else, compare him with some of the ~6’ Natty Pros out there. Stand this guy up next to Kurt Weidner for example. Kurt didn’t rely on PEDs to build his 200+ lbs contest condition physique, and you’ll see why the hardcore bodybuilding fans (even those that only respect the IFBB caliber of competitor) give this guy so little acknowledgement.
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never said his lifestyle was healthy but i could look at phil heath, zyzz, arnold (all drug users) and be inspired to go hit the gym and improve many aspects of my life health wise.
but that’s my point it doesn’t make sense to compare a physique built on 5 years of training compared to an amazing physique like Kurts which was built on 15 years of training.
its like brandon curry dying now and a poster says “point the flaws in his physique” and then you got people saying his legs aren’t big enough or he needed 30lbs more mass? why? because they comparing him to the likes of ronnie jay and kai etc
[quote]DanielDJ wrote:
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
[quote]DanielDJ wrote:
anyone who hates on a deceased man who inspired teens to improve their physique, gain self belief, and live a healthy lifestle is just heartless [/quote]
I don’t think it’s a matter of hating. This thread was asking about his physique, not his physique in terms of his age, or even his lifestyle (which I doubt many would call a healthy one).
If you want to objective evaluate his build, regardless of all else, compare him with some of the ~6’ Natty Pros out there. Stand this guy up next to Kurt Weidner for example. Kurt didn’t rely on PEDs to build his 200+ lbs contest condition physique, and you’ll see why the hardcore bodybuilding fans (even those that only respect the IFBB caliber of competitor) give this guy so little acknowledgement.
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never said his lifestyle was healthy but i could look at phil heath, zyzz, arnold (all drug users) and be inspired to go hit the gym and improve many aspects of my life health wise.
but that’s my point it doesn’t make sense to compare a physique built on 5 years of training compared to an amazing physique like Kurts which was built on 15 years of training.
its like brandon curry dying now and a poster says “point the flaws in his physique” and then you got people saying his legs aren’t big enough or he needed 30lbs more mass? why? because they comparing him to the likes of ronnie jay and kai etc
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The fact that “Zyzz” is interchangeable to you with “Brandon Curry” is an issue.
This thread shouldn’t even be here. Zyzz sold an image. His image was no benchmark in bodybuilding.
That should be all there is to say about that.
But if you want to point out flaws, then accept what people view as flaws. If you want to romanticize every facet of this guy’s life, then do THAT but don’t disguise it as a request for objective criticism.
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[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
But if you want to point out flaws, then accept what people view as flaws. If you want to romanticize every facet of this guy’s life, then do THAT but don’t disguise it as a request for objective criticism.
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Bingo. This guy’s life is not an issue here if the question is what his flaws are.
What does his “inspiration to hit the gym” have to do with his lagging upper chest?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
The fact that “Zyzz” is interchangeable to you with “Brandon Curry” is an issue.
This thread shouldn’t even be here. Zyzz sold an image. His image was no benchmark in bodybuilding.
That should be all there is to say about that.[/quote]
dont know where you got that from but i was pointing out that comparing zyzz physique to kurt weidner is like brandon curry to ronnie coleman
not got much to do with comparing zyzz and brandon curry
considering your recent accident, god forbid had you not made it out alive, wouldnt you find it stupid for people to pick out flaws in your physique based on the physique of someone whose already reached a higher level of development having trained way longer than you
if the dude was alive it would be understandable to pick out flaws but hes dead at just 22. acknowledge what he achieved considering where he started and thats all that should be said about
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
But if you want to point out flaws, then accept what people view as flaws. If you want to romanticize every facet of this guy’s life, then do THAT but don’t disguise it as a request for objective criticism.
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flaws? hes not a BBer how is any part of physique a flaw :S he didnt step onto stage or plan to?
[quote]DanielDJ wrote:
flaws? hes not a BBer how is any part of physique a flaw :S he didnt step onto stage or plan to?[/quote]
You did read the original post and its title right? It is posted in a ‘bodybuilding’ forum right? I didn’t start this thread -lol.
I’m sure you can find plenty of nut-hugging Zyzz threads to chime in on various other sites, but on this site, in this forum, and with the question posed by the OP, I have a feeling that YOU will not be a happy camper with the replies that have and are coming.
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[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]The Mighty Stu wrote:
But if you want to point out flaws, then accept what people view as flaws. If you want to romanticize every facet of this guy’s life, then do THAT but don’t disguise it as a request for objective criticism.
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Bingo. This guy’s life is not an issue here if the question is what his flaws are.
What does his “inspiration to hit the gym” have to do with his lagging upper chest?[/quote]
lagging upper chest in comparison to what? the average joe? nope it aint lagging at all?
simple point is if you are pointing out flaws based on a better physique built in more years then its stupid and pointless. everyone has flaws then
im a skinny fuck compared to you and need 100lbs of mass but compared to kai greene your physique is below standards too then