Identify Flaws in This Physique

[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:

[quote]Proud_Virgin wrote:
Trey Brewer, attached, is the fattest any pro has stepped on stage in recent memory–and he caught hell for it. Funny thing is, most here would probably consider him “lean”, because his abs are still visible.[/quote]

We used to call that smooth, and any lifter without TOP SHELF genetics that expects to grow any decent muscle better get used to spending a significant amount of time looking smooth. [/quote]

…which would be why we don’t see that many here who are just a diet away from looking that impressive.

[quote]Proud_Virgin wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

I talk about top olympia competitors not being denied guest posing in the offseason, and you post a offseason pic of a guy that’s not even a pro that obviously does not represent the norm for offseason bodybuilders. You have completely missed the point of my posts. [/quote]

PWND I thought he was a pro lol…anyway, re-reading your posts, you say that no bodybuilder stays in contest shape year round. Agreed, I dont think anyone can argue that.

My point was, that the days of only being in good shape for Mr. O are over…most Pro BBs will stay close to contest shape for guestposings, photoshoots and the like[/quote]

Dude, “contest condition” is close to 6% or less with the use of diuretics on board as well. While you may be able to say few get as heavy as 20%, acting like most stay even near contest shape is a tad overboard. I would think the average now is at least 30lbs or more in off season and don’t believe the drug strategy hasn’t also changed to aid that.

Johnny Jackson isn’t near contest shape in the off season.

[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:

[quote]Proud_Virgin wrote:
Trey Brewer, attached, is the fattest any pro has stepped on stage in recent memory–and he caught hell for it. Funny thing is, most here would probably consider him “lean”, because his abs are still visible.[/quote]

We used to call that smooth, and any lifter without TOP SHELF genetics that expects to grow any decent muscle better get used to spending a significant amount of time looking smooth. [/quote]

TBH thats a flattering angle, here’s another one (sorry about the watermark).

What do you consider ‘decent muscle’, for a 5’10" fellow at about your level of leanness?

[quote]Professor X wrote:

Dude, “contest condition” is close to 6% or less with the use of diuretics on board as well. While you may be able to say few get as heavy as 20%, acting like most stay even near contest shape is a tad overboard. I would think the average now is at least 30lbs or more in off season and don’t believe the drug strategy hasn’t also changed to aid that.

Johnny Jackson isn’t near contest shape in the off season.[/quote]

How much of that 30lbs is water? 10-15 lbs, if not more due to water retention from drugs.

[quote]Proud_Virgin wrote:

[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:

[quote]Proud_Virgin wrote:
Trey Brewer, attached, is the fattest any pro has stepped on stage in recent memory–and he caught hell for it. Funny thing is, most here would probably consider him “lean”, because his abs are still visible.[/quote]

We used to call that smooth, and any lifter without TOP SHELF genetics that expects to grow any decent muscle better get used to spending a significant amount of time looking smooth. [/quote]

TBH thats a flattering angle, here’s another one (sorry about the watermark).

What do you consider ‘decent muscle’, for a 5’10" fellow at about your level of leanness?[/quote]

Dude, his abs are visible. While that may be “fat” for a bodybuilding stage, if you saw him in the same shape working out in a tank top at the gym, you would not call him FAT.

I do believe he also lost a good deal of weight before that hence looser skin that will tighten up later.

[quote]Proud_Virgin wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

Dude, “contest condition” is close to 6% or less with the use of diuretics on board as well. While you may be able to say few get as heavy as 20%, acting like most stay even near contest shape is a tad overboard. I would think the average now is at least 30lbs or more in off season and don’t believe the drug strategy hasn’t also changed to aid that.

Johnny Jackson isn’t near contest shape in the off season.[/quote]

How much of that 30lbs is water? 10-15 lbs, if not more due to water retention from drugs.[/quote]

Your muscles are over 70% water. What is your point? I said “OR MORE”. It is not odd to see a pro today 40-50lbs over contest weight in the off season. Obviously many would stay leaner if they have photo shoots or guest posings coming up.

Bodybuilders in the 60’s and 70’s didn’t have that as much of an issue, so the off season was just to gain.

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]165StateChamp wrote:

[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:

[quote]165StateChamp wrote:

[quote]23278 wrote:
Perhaps the problem is that some of you don’t understand that him being lean is not impressive because, well, it isn’t to the bodybuilding community. Guy looks good no doubt, but it’s nothing special in this atmosphere.[/quote]

Can you stay as lean as he did year round? You have a great physique and stay pretty lean from what I’ve seen, but I highly doubt it. Being able to stay that lean IS impressive.

inb4 natural vs geared comment[/quote]

What does staying lean year round have to do with the sport of bodybuilding? it’s about bringing the best physique on contest day, you don’t get extra points for being leaner throughout the year. No reason a competing bodybuilder would want to stay contest lean year round when it would lead to a less impressive stage physique in the end when they are actually judged.
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I’m going to write a few things are off-topic to what you’re saying but it’s the only way to get my point across. What Aziz/Zyzz aspired to was a physique similar to drugged bodybuilders like Arnold or Zane or one similar to high-level ‘natural’ bodybuilders like Ulisses Williams Jr. Those are bodybuilders who stayed lean. Most natural pros stay very lean in the offseason. Most competitive drugged bodybuilders these days stay leaner than almost any poster on this site. Shelby Starnes is lean in his offseason. John Meadows is lean in his offseason.

While Zyzz wasn’t a bodybuilder, he (at least at one point) wanted a ‘natural’ bodybuilding physique. He took the fast route and got there by using drugs. His physique is no different than many natural bodybuilders or even drugged bodybuilders or physique competitors you might find on stage. His leanness is impressive in and of itself. There are very few people who manage to stay that lean while simultaneously making massive gains. He’s impressive in the same way that Brandon Curry, Mad Titan and kingbeef323 are impressive; they’re all guys that stayed lean by any standard while getting bigger. [/quote]

If you followed Shelbys spills while he was getting ready for his show you would have seen that he was not zyyzyz lean in the offseason. Dude dropped 30-40 something pounds in his prep. Neither does Brandon Curry. Your response to 23278 and him getting in contest condition was “well can you stay that way year round like zyyyx.” My point is that is NOT what bodybuilding is judged on. Im not saying get Trey Brewer fat and that all bodybuilders do that, but staying contest type lean year round is not the optimal way to make improvements for the next year. [/quote]

I’m Shelby’s Facebook friend and I make sure to creep his page every day. lol. I’m well aware of Shelby’s preferences in the offseason and he talks all the time about wanting to stay lean and not get too fat. If he does look ‘fat’, it’s because of the drugs he’s on. Also, Shelby gets very, very lean. 30-40 pounds is totally understandable in his case. Brandon Curry has been said to stay at ‘6 weeks out’ levels of conditioning year round.

In conclusion, I am not saying that people should stay in contest shape year round. That was not my argument at all. I am saying that being ‘lean’ year round is a good thing. The main point of my posts has been to refute what Akuma01 said. Being lean like that, for the short term or even year round, is impressive. Not too many people can do that.

Greg Plitt shits on this guy. Visit “simplyshredded” and you’ll see boat loads of dudes who are much more impressive than zyz, if we’re talking physique, not BBers.

not to mention, i’d taked ebomb’s physique over zyzz’s anyday.

…i’ve done my ego petting for the day

I’ve seen Lee Priest onstage at higher bodyfat than that… He was still Enormous… But fat as shit

[quote]Professor X wrote:

Good post, also Arnold used to bulk up. His nickname was “smooth” when he first arrived here and there are pics of him much smaller and less lean around the time that he quit competing before he tried it again at the Olympia.

Zyzz was not on Arnold’s level…so I am not sure what the debate is even about at this point. many of the best known names in bodybuilding history got heavier in the off season even though I will agree that due to exposure, many stay leaner now than they used to.

Why is this thread here?

No one is bashing Zyzz, but bringing this topic into this forum as if we all need to debate whether he matched Arnold is just strange.

The guy had weak points and would doubtfully do well in any a bodybuilding comp past local level. He needed more size and could have used more balance.

Why is the thread still going so everyone can pretend the goal is to stay below 10% body fat all year?[/quote]

Come on man, Arnold’s nickname was ‘Smooth’ because he munched on d-bol all day. Nowhere has anyone pretended that the goal of this sport is staying below 10% body fat year round. You are completely right in saying this thread shouldn’t be here. OP is trollolololololing right now.

[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:

[quote]165StateChamp wrote:
There are very few people who manage to stay that lean while simultaneously making massive gains. He’s impressive in the same way that Brandon Curry, Mad Titan and kingbeef323 are impressive; they’re all guys that stayed lean by any standard while getting bigger. [/quote]

That has more to with genetics than anything else.
I’m not disrepecting the hard work you gifted men put in, I know ‘paying dues’ when I see it.
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Genetics definitely has a huge part to play in all that. But at a minimum, can we agree that their genetics are impressive? lol. I’m serious though.

[quote]Proud_Virgin wrote:
What do you consider ‘decent muscle’, for a 5’10" fellow at about your level of leanness?[/quote]

5’ 10" at my current level?

210 = decent
230 = big
250 = manimal
270 = beast
290+ = monster

[quote]165StateChamp wrote:
Genetics definitely has a huge part to play in all that. But at a minimum, can we agree that their genetics are impressive?[/quote]

Agreed!

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[quote]Lunarisx718 wrote:
heart looks defective.

Do i win?[/quote]

Yes, hands down.

[quote]Think tank fish wrote:
Looks like an average guy who works out and stays lean. Why is he famous?[/quote]

His physique had flaws. SIZE and damn that upper chest LOL I never see anything til someone else points it out.

His physique was also extremely aesthetically pleasing and fo sho a pussy puller.

The reason he is famous is the cult of personality that he built.

Summed up best in this picture.

I look at this pic and I fucking get it.

I really do.

[quote]Hallowed wrote:

[quote]Think tank fish wrote:
Looks like an average guy who works out and stays lean. Why is he famous?[/quote]

His physique had flaws. SIZE and damn that upper chest LOL I never see anything til someone else points it out.

His physique was also extremely aesthetically pleasing and fo sho a pussy puller.

The reason he is famous is the cult of personality that he built.

Summed up best in this picture.

I look at this pic and I fucking get it.

I really do.[/quote]
So what you’re saying is that u mirin hard.

[quote]ronaldo7 wrote:

[quote]Hallowed wrote:

[quote]Think tank fish wrote:
Looks like an average guy who works out and stays lean. Why is he famous?[/quote]

His physique had flaws. SIZE and damn that upper chest LOL I never see anything til someone else points it out.

His physique was also extremely aesthetically pleasing and fo sho a pussy puller.

The reason he is famous is the cult of personality that he built.

Summed up best in this picture.

I look at this pic and I fucking get it.

I really do.[/quote]
So what you’re saying is that u mirin hard.[/quote]

LULZ! Yeah I’m mirin.

Mirin & Getting Aesthetic

Too many things I’d like to respond to individually, but I’ll throw out my thoughts:

The guy had a hell of a physique from a purely aesthetic standpoint. He wanted to look good naked and be pleasing to the eye; I’d say he accomplished his goal. OBVIOUSLY he does not compare to a competitive bodybuilder. Apples and oranges. If he had added 15 more lbs of lean muscle, IMO he would have made a hell of a physique competitor. Dude had some awesome lines and some good muscle bellies.

Lol @ whoever said “he looks good compared to the average joe”. HE LOOKS 10X BETTER THAN 90% of the POSTERS IN THIS THREAD. Special shout out to all the people without pics – STFU.

lol @ people like Akuma saying dieting is easy. Easy to say that when you’ve never been lean… Yeah it’s a shorter process, but until you have walked the walk, please shut the fuck up. Aren’t you the guy who gave up on your diet? Guess it’s not so easy, even with Stu in your corner? Sorry for being a dick, but I call it like I see it.

If I could have his aesthetics, I would take them in a heartbeat, and then work for the next 10 years to slap on another quality 40lbs of lean mass.

His nuthuggers get equally annoying, I agree, but I think they are kind of funny because they?re so childish and can?t really be taken seriously.

In closing, dude looks sick, obvi not a bb’er, it’s not easy being lean 24/7 if you don?t have the genetics for it.

K I’m done, hope that post makes sense.

[quote]bugeishaAD wrote:
Too many things I’d like to respond to individually, but I’ll throw out my thoughts:

The guy had a hell of a physique from a purely aesthetic standpoint. He wanted to look good naked and be pleasing to the eye; I’d say he accomplished his goal. OBVIOUSLY he does not compare to a competitive bodybuilder. Apples and oranges. If he had added 15 more lbs of lean muscle, IMO he would have made a hell of a physique competitor. Dude had some awesome lines and some good muscle bellies.

Lol @ whoever said “he looks good compared to the average joe”. HE LOOKS 10X BETTER THAN 90% of the POSTERS IN THIS THREAD. Special shout out to all the people without pics – STFU.

lol @ people like Akuma saying dieting is easy. Easy to say that when you’ve never been lean… Yeah it’s a shorter process, but until you have walked the walk, please shut the fuck up. Aren’t you the guy who gave up on your diet? Guess it’s not so easy, even with Stu in your corner? Sorry for being a dick, but I call it like I see it.

If I could have his aesthetics, I would take them in a heartbeat, and then work for the next 10 years to slap on another quality 40lbs of lean mass.

His nuthuggers get equally annoying, I agree, but I think they are kind of funny because they?re so childish and can?t really be taken seriously.

In closing, dude looks sick, obvi not a bb’er, it’s not easy being lean 24/7 if you don?t have the genetics for it.

K I’m done, hope that post makes sense.
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Best post in the thread.