[quote]jskrabac wrote:
[quote]Think tank fish wrote:
Looks like an average guy who works out and stays lean.[/quote]
O rly?!![/quote]
Yeah, am I missing something. Just googled this guy but I dont see what the big deal is?
[quote]Proud_Virgin wrote:
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:What does staying lean year round have to do with the sport of bodybuilding? it’s about bringing the best physique on contest day, you don’t get extra points for being leaner throughout the year. No reason a competing bodybuilder would want to stay contest lean year round when it would lead to a less impressive stage physique in the end when they are actually judged.
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Nowadays with guestposings, photoshoots, and other profitable undertakings for bodybuilders, more and more stay lean year-round.[/quote]
Name them. You think a bb show isnt going to let a top olympia competitor guest pose because they think he isnt lean enough? Hell no they’re gonna have him for the name alone. Point was that most don’t stay contest or Zyyzzyz lean year round because the goal is to look the best on a specific day not who looks best throughout the year. If staying zzyzzyzy lean year round won competitions more would do it.
OP has nut hugged Zyzz in his RIP thread I believe. He also posted another thread in 09 (?) about him…
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
Name them. You think a bb show isnt going to let a top olympia competitor guest pose because they think he isnt lean enough? Hell no they’re gonna have him for the name alone. Point was that most don’t stay contest or Zyyzzyz lean year round because the goal is to look the best on a specific day not who looks best throughout the year. If staying zzyzzyzy lean year round won competitions more would do it.
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Its not about a show denying a competitor from posing, its about his dignity and self-respect. Pro BBs are among the most narcississtic people out there, with their whole ego wrapped up in their appearance…you really think they would embarrass themselves by stepping on stage not looking halfway presentable?
Obviously they aren’t gonna stay Zyzz-lean yearround, but short of Lee Priest, they are not letting themselves go…
Trey Brewer, attached, is the fattest any pro has stepped on stage in recent memory–and he caught hell for it. Funny thing is, most here would probably consider him “lean”, because his abs are still visible.
Upper torso dominates arms and legs. Not very balanced. Purty to look at? compared to the average joe, yes.
On a bodybuilding forum, unless you are an elite lifter, once can always simply say “more size EVERYWHERE.”
He looks big standing in pics by himself but with other people he’s not this extremely muscular guy, just very lean and tan. That will help youre physique standout.
[quote]ronald1919 wrote:
his physique would be great if he was a natural…for a juiced up dude overdosing too hes not impressive at all[/quote]
This definitely does detract from his physique. Many guys reach that level without the use of gear.
[quote]Proud_Virgin wrote:
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
Name them. You think a bb show isnt going to let a top olympia competitor guest pose because they think he isnt lean enough? Hell no they’re gonna have him for the name alone. Point was that most don’t stay contest or Zyyzzyz lean year round because the goal is to look the best on a specific day not who looks best throughout the year. If staying zzyzzyzy lean year round won competitions more would do it.
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Its not about a show denying a competitor from posing, its about his dignity and self-respect. Pro BBs are among the most narcississtic people out there, with their whole ego wrapped up in their appearance…you really think they would embarrass themselves by stepping on stage not looking halfway presentable?
Obviously they aren’t gonna stay Zyzz-lean yearround, but short of Lee Priest, they are not letting themselves go…
Trey Brewer, attached, is the fattest any pro has stepped on stage in recent memory–and he caught hell for it. Funny thing is, most here would probably consider him “lean”, because his abs are still visible.[/quote]
I talk about top olympia competitors not being denied guest posing in the offseason, and you post a offseason pic of a guy that’s not even a pro that obviously does not represent the norm for offseason bodybuilders. You have completely missed the point of my posts.
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
[quote]165StateChamp wrote:
[quote]23278 wrote:
Perhaps the problem is that some of you don’t understand that him being lean is not impressive because, well, it isn’t to the bodybuilding community. Guy looks good no doubt, but it’s nothing special in this atmosphere.[/quote]
Can you stay as lean as he did year round? You have a great physique and stay pretty lean from what I’ve seen, but I highly doubt it. Being able to stay that lean IS impressive.
inb4 natural vs geared comment[/quote]
What does staying lean year round have to do with the sport of bodybuilding? it’s about bringing the best physique on contest day, you don’t get extra points for being leaner throughout the year. No reason a competing bodybuilder would want to stay contest lean year round when it would lead to a less impressive stage physique in the end when they are actually judged.
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I’m going to write a few things are off-topic to what you’re saying but it’s the only way to get my point across. What Aziz/Zyzz aspired to was a physique similar to drugged bodybuilders like Arnold or Zane or one similar to high-level ‘natural’ bodybuilders like Ulisses Williams Jr. Those are bodybuilders who stayed lean. Most natural pros stay very lean in the offseason. Most competitive drugged bodybuilders these days stay leaner than almost any poster on this site. Shelby Starnes is lean in his offseason. John Meadows is lean in his offseason.
While Zyzz wasn’t a bodybuilder, he (at least at one point) wanted a ‘natural’ bodybuilding physique. He took the fast route and got there by using drugs. His physique is no different than many natural bodybuilders or even drugged bodybuilders or physique competitors you might find on stage. His leanness is impressive in and of itself. There are very few people who manage to stay that lean while simultaneously making massive gains. He’s impressive in the same way that Brandon Curry, Mad Titan and kingbeef323 are impressive; they’re all guys that stayed lean by any standard while getting bigger.
He looks like a buff Harry Potter…
[quote]165StateChamp wrote:
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
[quote]165StateChamp wrote:
[quote]23278 wrote:
Perhaps the problem is that some of you don’t understand that him being lean is not impressive because, well, it isn’t to the bodybuilding community. Guy looks good no doubt, but it’s nothing special in this atmosphere.[/quote]
Can you stay as lean as he did year round? You have a great physique and stay pretty lean from what I’ve seen, but I highly doubt it. Being able to stay that lean IS impressive.
inb4 natural vs geared comment[/quote]
What does staying lean year round have to do with the sport of bodybuilding? it’s about bringing the best physique on contest day, you don’t get extra points for being leaner throughout the year. No reason a competing bodybuilder would want to stay contest lean year round when it would lead to a less impressive stage physique in the end when they are actually judged.
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I’m going to write a few things are off-topic to what you’re saying but it’s the only way to get my point across. What Aziz/Zyzz aspired to was a physique similar to drugged bodybuilders like Arnold or Zane or one similar to high-level ‘natural’ bodybuilders like Ulisses Williams Jr. Those are bodybuilders who stayed lean. Most natural pros stay very lean in the offseason. Most competitive drugged bodybuilders these days stay leaner than almost any poster on this site. Shelby Starnes is lean in his offseason. John Meadows is lean in his offseason.
While Zyzz wasn’t a bodybuilder, he (at least at one point) wanted a ‘natural’ bodybuilding physique. He took the fast route and got there by using drugs. His physique is no different than many natural bodybuilders or even drugged bodybuilders or physique competitors you might find on stage. His leanness is impressive in and of itself. There are very few people who manage to stay that lean while simultaneously making massive gains. He’s impressive in the same way that Brandon Curry, Mad Titan and kingbeef323 are impressive; they’re all guys that stayed lean by any standard while getting bigger. [/quote]
If you followed Shelbys spills while he was getting ready for his show you would have seen that he was not zyyzyz lean in the offseason. Dude dropped 30-40 something pounds in his prep. Neither does Brandon Curry. Your response to 23278 and him getting in contest condition was “well can you stay that way year round like zyyyx.” My point is that is NOT what bodybuilding is judged on. Im not saying get Trey Brewer fat and that all bodybuilders do that, but staying contest type lean year round is not the optimal way to make improvements for the next year.
Well this thread blew up more than I thought it would…
[quote]165StateChamp wrote
While Zyzz wasn’t a bodybuilder, he (at least at one point) wanted a ‘natural’ bodybuilding physique. He took the fast route and got there by using drugs. His physique is no different than many natural bodybuilders or even drugged bodybuilders or physique competitors you might find on stage. His leanness is impressive in and of itself. There are very few people who manage to stay that lean while simultaneously making massive gains. He’s impressive in the same way that Brandon Curry, Mad Titan and kingbeef323 are impressive; they’re all guys that stayed lean by any standard while getting bigger. [/quote]
This is how more or less how I view things (not that anyone should care…).
Shelbys offseason pictures he has a bloated look at times but still very little fat on him, he recently said he’s a little OCD with it and he will temporarily hold off gaining if he gets too “fluffy” around the low/back/middle (obviously not an exact quote, but the point).
Zyzz’s “look” was impressive and as many seem to be saying I’m sure he’d do well at physique competitions. Whilst he most likely doesn’t have the right size in actual bodybuilding mandatories (assuming)… calling him out on not being “big enough for bodybuilding” in certain bodyparts is one thing, but calling him out as if every other serious natural/non-natural possesses that much size (his legs included) and is unfortunately just hiding it with bodyfat, is quite frankly hilarious. He wasn’t big enough for non-natty bodybuilding but give respect where respect is due IMO…
(The disclaimer is I don’t really know of the guy or think he was a legend, only learned of him after he died… )
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
[quote]165StateChamp wrote:
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
[quote]165StateChamp wrote:
[quote]23278 wrote:
Perhaps the problem is that some of you don’t understand that him being lean is not impressive because, well, it isn’t to the bodybuilding community. Guy looks good no doubt, but it’s nothing special in this atmosphere.[/quote]
Can you stay as lean as he did year round? You have a great physique and stay pretty lean from what I’ve seen, but I highly doubt it. Being able to stay that lean IS impressive.
inb4 natural vs geared comment[/quote]
What does staying lean year round have to do with the sport of bodybuilding? it’s about bringing the best physique on contest day, you don’t get extra points for being leaner throughout the year. No reason a competing bodybuilder would want to stay contest lean year round when it would lead to a less impressive stage physique in the end when they are actually judged.
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I’m going to write a few things are off-topic to what you’re saying but it’s the only way to get my point across. What Aziz/Zyzz aspired to was a physique similar to drugged bodybuilders like Arnold or Zane or one similar to high-level ‘natural’ bodybuilders like Ulisses Williams Jr. Those are bodybuilders who stayed lean. Most natural pros stay very lean in the offseason. Most competitive drugged bodybuilders these days stay leaner than almost any poster on this site. Shelby Starnes is lean in his offseason. John Meadows is lean in his offseason.
While Zyzz wasn’t a bodybuilder, he (at least at one point) wanted a ‘natural’ bodybuilding physique. He took the fast route and got there by using drugs. His physique is no different than many natural bodybuilders or even drugged bodybuilders or physique competitors you might find on stage. His leanness is impressive in and of itself. There are very few people who manage to stay that lean while simultaneously making massive gains. He’s impressive in the same way that Brandon Curry, Mad Titan and kingbeef323 are impressive; they’re all guys that stayed lean by any standard while getting bigger. [/quote]
If you followed Shelbys spills while he was getting ready for his show you would have seen that he was not zyyzyz lean in the offseason. Dude dropped 30-40 something pounds in his prep. Neither does Brandon Curry. Your response to 23278 and him getting in contest condition was “well can you stay that way year round like zyyyx.” My point is that is NOT what bodybuilding is judged on. Im not saying get Trey Brewer fat and that all bodybuilders do that, but staying contest type lean year round is not the optimal way to make improvements for the next year. [/quote]
Good post, also Arnold used to bulk up. His nickname was “smooth” when he first arrived here and there are pics of him much smaller and less lean around the time that he quit competing before he tried it again at the Olympia.
Zyzz was not on Arnold’s level…so I am not sure what the debate is even about at this point. many of the best known names in bodybuilding history got heavier in the off season even though I will agree that due to exposure, many stay leaner now than they used to.
Why is this thread here?
No one is bashing Zyzz, but bringing this topic into this forum as if we all need to debate whether he matched Arnold is just strange.
The guy had weak points and would doubtfully do well in any a bodybuilding comp past local level. He needed more size and could have used more balance.
Why is the thread still going so everyone can pretend the goal is to stay below 10% body fat all year?
[quote]165StateChamp wrote:
Can you stay as lean as he did year round? You have a great physique and stay pretty lean from what I’ve seen, but I highly doubt it. Being able to stay that lean IS impressive.
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He created an image around his physique. It was kinda his job to stay that lean. All that went into that image, staying that lean, contributed to his death.
inb4 regretting posting/reading bodybuilding section…
[quote]JLone wrote:
If you compare him to the average Joe he looks great until you realize the guy cycled.
If you compare him to bodybuilders who also cycle he doesn’t cut it.[/quote]
Well Said.
[quote]Proud_Virgin wrote:
Trey Brewer, attached, is the fattest any pro has stepped on stage in recent memory–and he caught hell for it. Funny thing is, most here would probably consider him “lean”, because his abs are still visible.[/quote]
We used to call that smooth, and any lifter without TOP SHELF genetics that expects to grow any decent muscle better get used to spending a significant amount of time looking smooth.
[quote]165StateChamp wrote:
There are very few people who manage to stay that lean while simultaneously making massive gains. He’s impressive in the same way that Brandon Curry, Mad Titan and kingbeef323 are impressive; they’re all guys that stayed lean by any standard while getting bigger. [/quote]
That has more to with genetics than anything else.
I’m not disrepecting the hard work you gifted men put in, I know ‘paying dues’ when I see it.
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
I talk about top olympia competitors not being denied guest posing in the offseason, and you post a offseason pic of a guy that’s not even a pro that obviously does not represent the norm for offseason bodybuilders. You have completely missed the point of my posts. [/quote]
PWND I thought he was a pro lol…anyway, re-reading your posts, you say that no bodybuilder stays in contest shape year round. Agreed, I dont think anyone can argue that.
My point was, that the days of only being in good shape for Mr. O are over…most Pro BBs will stay close to contest shape for guestposings, photoshoots and the like
[quote]Lunarisx718 wrote:
heart looks defective.
Do i win?[/quote]
come on the lad is dead and yet you get pleasure out of making a joke about a heart condition that killed him 
… roids or not, doesnt make sense to call out the flaws in someones who physique whos transformation was cut short due to death … its like a bodybuilder on a long bulk being called a fat slob cause he died during his bulk