[quote]thefederalist wrote:
edit: hallowed, please change your avi. i can’t focus[/quote]
Don’t worry… it’s not your failing eyesight. It’s her shitty blurry avatar that’s out of focus.
lol
[quote]DeltaOne wrote:
Ronnie or Aziz, Branch or Frank Zane, the only thing that is really true is…
Haters always gonna hate.
( amazed nobody posted this yet )[/quote]
Who’s hating?
In fact, I would say most in this thread have been respectful with regards to this subject despite how easy it would be to fall into “who is this guy” territory for 15 pages.
No one that I’ve read here is “hating” on Zyzz.
I do see a lot of issues with people not actually reading posts before responding though.
LOL @ this entire thread (apparently I’ve missed a lot over that past 9 days but I’m catching up now)
DISCLAIMER
I am in no way a Aziz/Zzyzz fan
/DISCLAIMER
Zyzz had an impressive physique FOR SURE but his lifestyle and persona (which made him popular) were trash. I’ve seen it posted that the guy was really a good dude and played the “douche bag” part up for “teh lulz”…
but to me: “looks like a douche bag, acts like a douche bag… probably a douche bag”
I don’t know if its not reading, or lack of reading comprehension, but thats the MO with some of the posters on here 
[quote]solidkhalid wrote:
I don’t know if its not reading, or lack of reading comprehension, but thats the MO with some of the posters on here ;P[/quote]
I know, but it’s gotten old. I can literally write out “getting big and getting lean are both hard” and someone will log in to call me out as if I didn’t just write that.
That is the cause of most of these circular arguments that go on for pages where you just end up repeating what you wrote 15 different ways until they finally listen.
I am sure the people reading are tired of that as well.
This thread, overall, didn’t go badly aside from the absolutely pointless Akuma-bashing for pages.
I guess that shit is still fun to people.
I will try to avoid adding to that in the future.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]DeltaOne wrote:
Ronnie or Aziz, Branch or Frank Zane, the only thing that is really true is…
Haters always gonna hate.
( amazed nobody posted this yet )[/quote]
Who’s hating?
In fact, I would say most in this thread have been respectful with regards to this subject despite how easy it would be to fall into “who is this guy” territory for 15 pages.
No one that I’ve read here is “hating” on Zyzz.
I do see a lot of issues with people not actually reading posts before responding though.
[/quote]
It’s a reference to an internet meme brother, I’m not actually implying anyone is hating on Zyzz.
If you google “Zyzz” eventually you’ll come across one or several pics of him with the tag “Haters gonna hate”, that’s why I wrote it.
[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
[quote]bugeishaAD wrote:
Achilles – You think staying lean is easier than gaining?
No way man. Have you ever been lean (sub 10%, assuming you aren’t a naturally lean dude) and then tried to hold it for some appreciable amount of time? Shit sucks.
Because let me tell you (and everyone reading), I tried both this year, and it is far from easy. Eating an excess of calories day in, day out, is pretty easy I think, at least relatively speaking. Yes, it takes MUCH longer, especially staying natty, but getting big and strong is much simpler and requires much less thinking and planning than dieting and maintaining decent bodyfat levels once the muscle is built.
That has been my experience, anyways.
[/quote]
First let’s start by establishing that ‘getting big’ means arriving in the neighborhood of a 3.0lbs per inch of height with ‘abs all in’. It’s more than just eating surplus calories. [/quote]
Agreed.
That’s great that dieting to (and maintaining?) such low bodyfat levels is so easy for you. You are probably the exception.
I think what you are describing more qualifies as an endeavor that requires a great amount of persistence, dedication, and patience. But I guess it’s hard, you’re right. Semantics.
As an aside, I feel that once a natty gets to that level (where it is going to take 10 years to put on 10 lbs), if everything is in place and they are so inclined, they can start looking into other types of enhancement.
@Prof X,
I don’t think I was bashing Akuma needlessly. It just irks me when people act like it’s so easy to get lean. Maybe for some people, like BlueCollar above it is, but I know you have been at it, Akuma has, I has, many of us have, and it’s quite the struggle.
brb back when 260 w/ single digit bf so people can’t make fun of me.
[quote]bugeishaAD wrote:
@Prof X,
I don’t think I was bashing Akuma needlessly. It just irks me when people act like it’s so easy to get lean. Maybe for some people, like BlueCollar above it is, but I know you have been at it, Akuma has, I has, many of us have, and it’s quite the struggle.
brb back when 260 w/ single digit bf so people can’t make fun of me.
[/quote]
OK, let’s discuss my opinion of the “Akuma Issue”.
For one, it is a BAD IDEA for any lifter, including myself, to come down from a high body fat percentage and focus directly on competition. I would bet that alone is the cause of more “fails” than anything. The reasons for this include:
-Massive changes to psychological image in a short time
-Huge dietary changes without enough time for them to be true “habit”
-Mental fatigue
-Not enough time at a lesser weight for the body to stop “panicking”.
That would apply to just about any lifter who is big but decided to diet down from around 20% after several years of focusing on size.
I was in a motorcycle accident so my goals have taken a hit lately, but even I had to deal with the mental issues even though I looked better…if for no other reason than simply being used to responding to the world differently due to being much bigger and how it responds to me.
I don’t call what Akuma did “failing”. I call it “what I would expect to happen to most guys his age if they decided to suddenly diet for half a fucking year for the first time ever while still going to college”.
Better strategy?
Diet slower, get leaner, hold it for a few months, THEN set sites on competing after you have PHYSICALLY AND MENTALLY adjusted to the big physical/dietary changes.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
OK, let’s discuss my opinion of the “Akuma Issue”.
For one, it is a BAD IDEA for any lifter, including myself, to come down from a high body fat percentage and focus directly on competition. [/quote]
Agreed.
[quote] I would bet that alone is the cause of more “fails” than anything. The reasons for this include:
-Massive changes to psychological image in a short time
-Huge dietary changes without enough time for them to be true “habit”
-Mental fatigue
-Not enough time at a lesser weight for the body to stop “panicking”.
That would apply to just about any lifter who is big but decided to diet down from around 20% after several years of focusing on size.[/quote]
Yep, agreed here as well. It seemed rash for him to pick a show when he had never dieted before and had such a long road ahead, so breaking it up into a longer process would have probably been a good idea.
Sorry to hear that, that must have been pretty scary / nuts. Here’s to a speedy recovery.
[quote]I don’t call what Akuma did “failing”. I call it “what I would expect to happen to most guys his age if they decided to suddenly diet for half a fucking year for the first time ever while still going to college”.
Better strategy?
Diet slower, get leaner, hold it for a few months, THEN set sites on competing after you have PHYSICALLY AND MENTALLY adjusted to the big physical/dietary changes.[/quote]
Yep.
Contest prep ain’t easy.
Plain and simple.
[quote]ebomb5522 wrote:
Contest prep ain’t easy.
Plain and simple. [/quote]
That’s such a lie. OMG EATING PANCAKES TODAY, OMG EATING FUDGE TODAY, OMG EATING CAKE TODAY!
[quote]Lunarisx718 wrote:
heart looks defective.
Do i win?[/quote]
#winning
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
[quote]ebomb5522 wrote:
Contest prep ain’t easy.
Plain and simple. [/quote]
That’s such a lie. OMG EATING PANCAKES TODAY, OMG EATING FUDGE TODAY, OMG EATING CAKE TODAY![/quote]
HEY.
ur not supposed to tell people about that.
[quote]ebomb5522 wrote:
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
[quote]ebomb5522 wrote:
Contest prep ain’t easy.
Plain and simple. [/quote]
That’s such a lie. OMG EATING PANCAKES TODAY, OMG EATING FUDGE TODAY, OMG EATING CAKE TODAY![/quote]
HEY.
ur not supposed to tell people about that. [/quote]
college contest prep ftw.
how bout babo (dude on left in this pic). the only flaw i can see is his obliques are way too pronounced.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
Agreed with Bug… staying lean or lean-ish is pretty tough. Getting big (or getting there) is easy for most of us here: lift hard, lift smart, eat food. [/quote]
OK, getting big is easy now.
That must explain all of the behemoths lately.
This thread has been read quite a bit…which makes the “I knew it was a troll thread thus why I am responding too so I can make myself look like I was too smart to also post in the thread…by posting in the thread” posts really fun to read.
Here’s what I do know:
Getting big ain’t easy. Let’s be serious here. What the hell is “easy” about having a serious goal for 10 years or more and not allowing life to throw you off into the “I train off and on” crowd? It is apparently so “easy” that the average person here still hasn’t gotten there yet even if they have been lifting for several years.
Getting leaner ain’t easy when it comes to losing 40+lbs and more and holding onto that muscle mass. It takes strategy and commitment…but again, this is not exactly something that takes YEARS to pull off.
People worrying about their leanness before they ever build that size have it backwards if they plan on getting big without steroid use being at the base of most of the gains they see initially.
Other than that, people read this thread because of the topic and who responded. I seriously doubt any of us are posting for the sake of the original poster…so please, save the “I knew it was a troll thread which explains why I posted just now” posts because they make me laugh and my sides hurt already.[/quote]
I don’t think I disagree with anything here. But I think getting big, for a lot of us here, really isn’t that hard… I mean c’mon, lifting weights is BEYOND a hobby right now for a lot of us. It’s an obsession, and so ingrained in our daily lives that we don’t even think twice about lifting 5-7x per week. We feel weird when we DON’T lift. That’s why I say it’s easy… it may be hard fucking work in the gym, but that to me is enjoyable as shit and just a daily part of my life, like eating or showering is. It may take 10-15 years to finally build something called “an appreciable physique”, but that whole decade was ‘easy’ for us, because we fuckin’ love that shit.
That’s my take on it, anyhow. STAYING lean, on the other hand, goes beyond just lifting hard and eating a lot.
WOW i had no idea this thing was going to blow up like this. 30min of “work” gone. I was bored anyway.
Actually some good discussion came up. And lots of really stupid comments.
I do agree that someone who is skinnier will have a harder time adding quality mass but could get lean and maintain it easier. Of course thats just how my body works. It fights me for every lb of muscle but I could take it off fat pretty easy and maintain a decent level of BF fairly easy. For me to add muscle my BF has to climb. But thats genetics got to love the difference in physiology
[quote]thefederalist wrote:
how bout babo (dude on left in this pic). the only flaw i can see is his obliques are way too pronounced.[/quote]
dude needs a bigger chest to fill out the rest of him.
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
WOW i had no idea this thing was going to blow up like this. 30min of “work” gone. I was bored anyway.
Actually some good discussion came up. And lots of really stupid comments.
I do agree that someone who is skinnier will have a harder time adding quality mass but could get lean and maintain it easier. Of course thats just how my body works. It fights me for every lb of muscle but I could take it off fat pretty easy and maintain a decent level of BF fairly easy. For me to add muscle my BF has to climb. But thats genetics got to love the difference in physiology[/quote]
don’t be fooled, bro. somatotypes are just things fat ppl push to make themselves feel better.
generally, fatties underestimate how much they eat and skinny dudes overestimate how much they eat.
[quote]thefederalist wrote:
[quote]ryanbCXG wrote:
WOW i had no idea this thing was going to blow up like this. 30min of “work” gone. I was bored anyway.
Actually some good discussion came up. And lots of really stupid comments.
I do agree that someone who is skinnier will have a harder time adding quality mass but could get lean and maintain it easier. Of course thats just how my body works. It fights me for every lb of muscle but I could take it off fat pretty easy and maintain a decent level of BF fairly easy. For me to add muscle my BF has to climb. But thats genetics got to love the difference in physiology[/quote]
don’t be fooled, bro. somatotypes are just things fat ppl push to make themselves feel better.
generally, fatties underestimate how much they eat and skinny dudes overestimate how much they eat.
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Only deal with that is a count how many calories i eat so i know that i eat much more than what lots of people eat to gain that are larger than me. I have no problem with this as i can eat more than anyone i have met. I can eat more than the guy on man v food. I wasnt saying i was a certian somatotype. I was saying what happens with my gentics, body, physiology when gaining and losing.