[quote]PB Andy wrote:
[quote]thefederalist wrote:
how bout babo (dude on left in this pic). the only flaw i can see is his obliques are way too pronounced.[/quote]
dude needs a bigger chest to fill out the rest of him.[/quote]
dude on the right needs a haircut jesus fucking christ
I wont even respond to the issues in the origional posters physique… PB andy you are incorrect when you say getting big is easy… Even for addicts. I know guys that have spent years in the gym and stay the same size… they are there as often as I am and yet have not figured out what it really takes to develop size. They lift as heavy as they can and wonder why they never get any bigger… First of all eating is 100% and lifting is 100% … makes sense if you dont think about it. 
Point is it is more important in my opinion that you eat properly for growth. Almost as important is how you lift and what you are doing in the gym to grow. Anyone can come into the gym and lift… But what does it really mean. How many lifters truely engage the proper muscles during complex movements and force their muscles to repond by growing? Almost all new lifters will experience growth for awhile regardless of how they lift IE volume, intensity, % of maximum. After a few years this subsides. Growth must be forced by both consistantly changing portions of your workouts so the muscle has to adapt and grow as well as consistantly eating for this growth to occur. Easy NO and I dont care how long you have been at it. It never gets easier. As for the guys in the pictures asking about how they look… Come on guys this is a bodybuilding forum, not a physique website… try a different site and maybe you wont be told how you need more size. Size Matters. Almost everyone here is working their ass off to get BIGGER>
[quote]Swolle wrote:
I wont even respond to the issues in the origional posters physique… PB andy you are incorrect when you say getting big is easy… Even for addicts. I know guys that have spent years in the gym and stay the same size… they are there as often as I am and yet have not figured out what it really takes to develop size. They lift as heavy as they can and wonder why they never get any bigger… First of all eating is 100% and lifting is 100% … makes sense if you dont think about it. Point is it is more important in my opinion that you eat properly for growth. Almost as important is how you lift and what you are doing in the gym to grow. Anyone can come into the gym and lift… But what does it really mean. How many lifters truely engage the proper muscles during complex movements and force their muscles to repond by growing? Almost all new lifters will experience growth for awhile regardless of how they lift IE volume, intensity, % of maximum. After a few years this subsides. Growth must be forced by both consistantly changing portions of your workouts so the muscle has to adapt and grow as well as consistantly eating for this growth to occur. Easy NO and I dont care how long you have been at it. It never gets easier. As for the guys in the pictures asking about how they look… Come on guys this is a bodybuilding forum, not a physique website… try a different site and maybe you wont be told how you need more size. Size Matters. Almost everyone here is working their ass off to get BIGGER>[/quote]
Yep. Good post. I guess it looks easy when you haven’t done it yet.
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
[quote]thefederalist wrote:
how bout babo (dude on left in this pic). the only flaw i can see is his obliques are way too pronounced.[/quote]
dude needs a bigger chest to fill out the rest of him.[/quote]
dude on the right needs a haircut jesus fucking christ[/quote]
if the dude on the right got a haircut he’d look like sheldon from The Big Band Theory
Babo (dude on the left) needs a tan like no other.
[quote]Swolle wrote:
I wont even respond to the issues in the origional posters physique… PB andy you are incorrect when you say getting big is easy… Even for addicts. I know guys that have spent years in the gym and stay the same size… they are there as often as I am and yet have not figured out what it really takes to develop size. They lift as heavy as they can and wonder why they never get any bigger… First of all eating is 100% and lifting is 100% … makes sense if you dont think about it. Point is it is more important in my opinion that you eat properly for growth. Almost as important is how you lift and what you are doing in the gym to grow. Anyone can come into the gym and lift… But what does it really mean. How many lifters truely engage the proper muscles during complex movements and force their muscles to repond by growing? Almost all new lifters will experience growth for awhile regardless of how they lift IE volume, intensity, % of maximum. After a few years this subsides. Growth must be forced by both consistantly changing portions of your workouts so the muscle has to adapt and grow as well as consistantly eating for this growth to occur. Easy NO and I dont care how long you have been at it. It never gets easier. As for the guys in the pictures asking about how they look… Come on guys this is a bodybuilding forum, not a physique website… try a different site and maybe you wont be told how you need more size. Size Matters. Almost everyone here is working their ass off to get BIGGER>[/quote]
I don’t disagree. But this is why I said in my original post, to not only lift hard, but ‘lift smart’ as well. It also says in my post, ‘eat big’. These are pre-requisites. Once you figure out how YOU respond to certain lifting techniques, and how to eat a lot of food, I find it easy. No doubt there are people in the gym who lift hard but have no idea wtf they are doing. For them it won’t be easy.
As a caveat… this is from the perspective of how I respond. It may not apply to others. I’m not genetically gifted by any means (the last time I was sub 10% BF was when I was in grade school), but I find it easy to gain muscle.
[quote]bugeishaAD wrote:
brb back when 260 w/ single digit bf so people can’t make fun of me.
[/quote]
I’ve been on this site more earnestly in the past 2 years and certainly there’s remarkable changes in you and leaning out especially this year.
I’ve never reached single digit BF…in my LIFE. So I don’t know what it will be like when I get there, where I’ll struggle and how much more difficult the last percentage points will be. MODOK’s advice to me in his Q&A thread has actually really inspired me to go at it and not give up (like previous times). I more or less know the basics and should be able to reach 18% without a problem (22 now) and 15 earnestly. But from 15 to 10 I don’t know the journey yet, and from 10 to 6 might as well be like walking into Mordor. But I have compelling reasons and hope it will get me through it.
ONE DOES NOT SIMPLY WALK INTO MORDOR!
Anyway, nice to see this forum is still about one-upmanship and belittling others. Quality stuff here people, warms the heart.
[quote]XanderBuilt wrote:
[quote]bugeishaAD wrote:
brb back when 260 w/ single digit bf so people can’t make fun of me.
[/quote]
I’ve been on this site more earnestly in the past 2 years and certainly there’s remarkable changes in you and leaning out especially this year.
I’ve never reached single digit BF…in my LIFE. So I don’t know what it will be like when I get there, where I’ll struggle and how much more difficult the last percentage points will be. MODOK’s advice to me in his Q&A thread has actually really inspired me to go at it and not give up (like previous times). I more or less know the basics and should be able to reach 18% without a problem (22 now) and 15 earnestly. But from 15 to 10 I don’t know the journey yet, and from 10 to 6 might as well be like walking into Mordor. But I have compelling reasons and hope it will get me through it.[/quote]
Just a matter of time, my man. And you have lots of knowledgeable people at your disposal to bounce ideas off of when that time comes.
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
[quote]Swolle wrote:
I wont even respond to the issues in the origional posters physique… PB andy you are incorrect when you say getting big is easy… Even for addicts. I know guys that have spent years in the gym and stay the same size… they are there as often as I am and yet have not figured out what it really takes to develop size. They lift as heavy as they can and wonder why they never get any bigger… First of all eating is 100% and lifting is 100% … makes sense if you dont think about it. Point is it is more important in my opinion that you eat properly for growth. Almost as important is how you lift and what you are doing in the gym to grow. Anyone can come into the gym and lift… But what does it really mean. How many lifters truely engage the proper muscles during complex movements and force their muscles to repond by growing? Almost all new lifters will experience growth for awhile regardless of how they lift IE volume, intensity, % of maximum. After a few years this subsides. Growth must be forced by both consistantly changing portions of your workouts so the muscle has to adapt and grow as well as consistantly eating for this growth to occur. Easy NO and I dont care how long you have been at it. It never gets easier. As for the guys in the pictures asking about how they look… Come on guys this is a bodybuilding forum, not a physique website… try a different site and maybe you wont be told how you need more size. Size Matters. Almost everyone here is working their ass off to get BIGGER>[/quote]
I don’t disagree. But this is why I said in my original post, to not only lift hard, but ‘lift smart’ as well. It also says in my post, ‘eat big’. These are pre-requisites. Once you figure out how YOU respond to certain lifting techniques, and how to eat a lot of food, I find it easy. No doubt there are people in the gym who lift hard but have no idea wtf they are doing. For them it won’t be easy.
As a caveat… this is from the perspective of how I respond. It may not apply to others. I’m not genetically gifted by any means (the last time I was sub 10% BF was when I was in grade school), but I find it easy to gain muscle. [/quote]
If it’s so easy for you, why aren’t you bigger?
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
[quote]Swolle wrote:
I wont even respond to the issues in the origional posters physique… PB andy you are incorrect when you say getting big is easy… Even for addicts. I know guys that have spent years in the gym and stay the same size… they are there as often as I am and yet have not figured out what it really takes to develop size. They lift as heavy as they can and wonder why they never get any bigger… First of all eating is 100% and lifting is 100% … makes sense if you dont think about it. Point is it is more important in my opinion that you eat properly for growth. Almost as important is how you lift and what you are doing in the gym to grow. Anyone can come into the gym and lift… But what does it really mean. How many lifters truely engage the proper muscles during complex movements and force their muscles to repond by growing? Almost all new lifters will experience growth for awhile regardless of how they lift IE volume, intensity, % of maximum. After a few years this subsides. Growth must be forced by both consistantly changing portions of your workouts so the muscle has to adapt and grow as well as consistantly eating for this growth to occur. Easy NO and I dont care how long you have been at it. It never gets easier. As for the guys in the pictures asking about how they look… Come on guys this is a bodybuilding forum, not a physique website… try a different site and maybe you wont be told how you need more size. Size Matters. Almost everyone here is working their ass off to get BIGGER>[/quote]
I don’t disagree. But this is why I said in my original post, to not only lift hard, but ‘lift smart’ as well. It also says in my post, ‘eat big’. These are pre-requisites. Once you figure out how YOU respond to certain lifting techniques, and how to eat a lot of food, I find it easy. No doubt there are people in the gym who lift hard but have no idea wtf they are doing. For them it won’t be easy.
As a caveat… this is from the perspective of how I respond. It may not apply to others. I’m not genetically gifted by any means (the last time I was sub 10% BF was when I was in grade school), but I find it easy to gain muscle. [/quote]
If it’s so easy for you, why aren’t you bigger?
[/quote]
I could be bigger. However, I’ve only started doing upper body specific work for the past 5 months. The years before that I was competing in olympic weightlifting, so the only upper body stuff during that time was probably the push press. For that 5-month time frame of adding in bis/tris/back/chest work etc, I think where I’m at right now is pretty decent.
I took the pic a few days ago, and I’ve found the new-found mass pretty easy. Of course you can attribute some of that to neural efficiency due to my background, but my point of leanness still stands… as you can see, I’m still working on it. It’s tough.
edit: kind of fucked that picture up, click to enlarge. there’s also a couple pics in my Indigo log.
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
[quote]Swolle wrote:
I wont even respond to the issues in the origional posters physique… PB andy you are incorrect when you say getting big is easy… Even for addicts. I know guys that have spent years in the gym and stay the same size… they are there as often as I am and yet have not figured out what it really takes to develop size. They lift as heavy as they can and wonder why they never get any bigger… First of all eating is 100% and lifting is 100% … makes sense if you dont think about it. Point is it is more important in my opinion that you eat properly for growth. Almost as important is how you lift and what you are doing in the gym to grow. Anyone can come into the gym and lift… But what does it really mean. How many lifters truely engage the proper muscles during complex movements and force their muscles to repond by growing? Almost all new lifters will experience growth for awhile regardless of how they lift IE volume, intensity, % of maximum. After a few years this subsides. Growth must be forced by both consistantly changing portions of your workouts so the muscle has to adapt and grow as well as consistantly eating for this growth to occur. Easy NO and I dont care how long you have been at it. It never gets easier. As for the guys in the pictures asking about how they look… Come on guys this is a bodybuilding forum, not a physique website… try a different site and maybe you wont be told how you need more size. Size Matters. Almost everyone here is working their ass off to get BIGGER>[/quote]
I don’t disagree. But this is why I said in my original post, to not only lift hard, but ‘lift smart’ as well. It also says in my post, ‘eat big’. These are pre-requisites. Once you figure out how YOU respond to certain lifting techniques, and how to eat a lot of food, I find it easy. No doubt there are people in the gym who lift hard but have no idea wtf they are doing. For them it won’t be easy.
As a caveat… this is from the perspective of how I respond. It may not apply to others. I’m not genetically gifted by any means (the last time I was sub 10% BF was when I was in grade school), but I find it easy to gain muscle. [/quote]
If it’s so easy for you, why aren’t you bigger?
[/quote]
OUCH!
TAKE THAT!
I can agree with “3lbs per inch in height lean” being considered “big” and I don’t think some of the guys claiming how easy it is understand this.
Absolutely no comparison between the difficulty of getting big vs getting lean. Getting big requires a lifelong ,CALCULATED, commitment. Sure, getting shredded for a show will definitely test your emotional limits, but it is much harder, IMO, to stay consistent for the amount of time it takes to get huge and lean (YEARS).
This is all assuming one is natty. I have no experience being “on”, so I cannot comment on that.
[quote]FearFactory wrote:
Absolutely no comparison between the difficulty of getting big vs getting lean. Getting big requires a lifelong ,CALCULATED, commitment. Sure, getting shredded for a show will definitely test your emotional limits, but it is much harder, IMO, to stay consistent for the amount of time it takes to get huge and lean (YEARS).
This is all assuming one is natty. I have no experience being “on”, so I cannot comment on that.[/quote]
Have you ever dieted for a contest for 3 months?
What is your opinion based on?
Contest lean = 5% bf AT MOST, for the sake of this discussion.
I think people have a gross misunderstanding of bodyfat to begin with. Many folks think they are walking around much leaner than they actually are.
Common place is the dude who thinks he’s sub 10% bf all the time, “Dude I’m like 230 @ around 5%bf bro!”
Sure.
When my friend did his first show, NPC, he took 1st for his class, not sure the division but he was 155lb range. He dieted down from 185lbs, he was lean then w/ visible abs…30lbs later he was sub 5%. He was preparing to defend his dissertation in engineering @ the time as well, he was fucked.
he called me one early evening because he couldn’t ride his motorcycle home after training, he was falling asleep/ unaware of if he was awake or not, had to be picked up along the road, he pulled over, had to load him and the bike in my truck.
the shit isn’t easy. Trust me…I wouldn’t know
To go from 185lbs w/ a 385lb max bench all the way down to like 155lbs is crazy shit.
to this…is not easy. this thread is silly though. i also agree that becoming big, for me @ 6’0" getting over 226lbs w/out feeling like a fatty was impossible, it was my sticking point…currently i’m around 210lbs but still no where near a bf% that is near contest ready…if i dieted down to that level, i’m scared to imagine how little i’d weigh. i recognize @ around 6 feet tall, i need to be a few lbs heavier than I am now w/ abs visible to feel or be big. feeling and being big are much different from being big while in contest shape.
some guys @ 202 or the new 212lb class are monsters. to be a natty at over 200lbs is very impressive.
here is my friend @ 155lbs, he’s currently 10-20lb lighter than i am and hit 405lb w/ one board.
To be fair…Zyzzzz looked good, but (i know he got a bunch of chics but he looked like a big fag). no homo. i like his body, but man…his face needed a punch in the fucking mouth.
[quote]Swolle wrote:
First of all eating is 100% and lifting is 100% … makes sense if you dont think about it. [/quote]
I am going to use ^this^
[quote]cyruseven75 wrote:
Zyzzzz looked good, but (i know he got a bunch of chics but he looked like a big fag). no homo.[/quote]
I think when you call someone a sexual slure that the “No Homo” is implied.
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