[quote]165StateChamp wrote:
All homo.[/quote]
Thanks, buddy. And no need for redundancy - all homo is very much expected (and thoroughly appreciated) when it comes to the two of us.
<3
Cheers, another day survived on T-Nation against the constant d-baggery.
Achilles – You think staying lean is easier than gaining?
No way man. Have you ever been lean (sub 10%, assuming you aren’t a naturally lean dude) and then tried to hold it for some appreciable amount of time? Shit sucks.
Because let me tell you (and everyone reading), I tried both this year, and it is far from easy. Eating an excess of calories day in, day out, is pretty easy I think, at least relatively speaking. Yes, it takes MUCH longer, especially staying natty, but getting big and strong is much simpler and requires much less thinking and planning than dieting and maintaining decent bodyfat levels once the muscle is built.
That has been my experience, anyways.
I hope this thread keeps blowing up – fun read at work.
Akuma, I was pretty harsh with you (even though you didn’t single me out), but I think it’s important in life (and on the internet) to not take yourself too seriously. Haterz goan’ hate, as they say. Good luck with your diet.
Agreed with Bug… staying lean or lean-ish is pretty tough. Getting big (or getting there) is easy for most of us here: lift hard, lift smart, eat food.
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
Agreed with Bug… staying lean or lean-ish is pretty tough. Getting big (or getting there) is easy for most of us here: lift hard, lift smart, eat food. [/quote]
OK, getting big is easy now.
That must explain all of the behemoths lately.
This thread has been read quite a bit…which makes the “I knew it was a troll thread thus why I am responding too so I can make myself look like I was too smart to also post in the thread…by posting in the thread” posts really fun to read.
Here’s what I do know:
Getting big ain’t easy. Let’s be serious here. What the hell is “easy” about having a serious goal for 10 years or more and not allowing life to throw you off into the “I train off and on” crowd? It is apparently so “easy” that the average person here still hasn’t gotten there yet even if they have been lifting for several years.
Getting leaner ain’t easy when it comes to losing 40+lbs and more and holding onto that muscle mass. It takes strategy and commitment…but again, this is not exactly something that takes YEARS to pull off.
People worrying about their leanness before they ever build that size have it backwards if they plan on getting big without steroid use being at the base of most of the gains they see initially.
Other than that, people read this thread because of the topic and who responded. I seriously doubt any of us are posting for the sake of the original poster…so please, save the “I knew it was a troll thread which explains why I posted just now” posts because they make me laugh and my sides hurt already.
Easy or hard is relative, whether it’s here in this pursuit of ours or other areas of our life. If you ask me it’s both hard, I’ve neither been big and strong nor lean and strong (by my own expectations). I’m having a crack at the latter (again!) and I really wish this time I make it happen.
Neither are easy.
It’s not easy to gain an appreciable amount of mass, and it takes a great deal of time.
It’s equally not as easy to get into contest condition.
As it’s been said before, if either were easy, we’d see a lot of guys following through with both.
I truly don’t see what the argument is.
When it comes right down to it isn’t it the hard that attracts? Any training goal that takes discipline, planning and execution isn’t easy but that is what makes it worth it. I just spent 5 months dropping 60 pounds and I am still 1% from my goal and that shit wasn’t easy but neither was getting my SQ and DL over 500 at 260 pounds.
People criticize whatever goal they are currently not going after because it doesn’t align with what they are doing. In reality, as long as you are making progress toward any goal you are way ahead of the other 99% of the people who are sitting on the couch eating ho’s ho’s and talking about starting next Monday…
[quote]Achilles of war wrote:
[quote]165StateChamp wrote:
[quote]Achilles of war wrote:
[quote]165StateChamp wrote:
[quote]Maiden3.16 wrote:
[quote]165StateChamp wrote:
[quote]23278 wrote:
Perhaps the problem is that some of you don’t understand that him being lean is not impressive because, well, it isn’t to the bodybuilding community. Guy looks good no doubt, but it’s nothing special in this atmosphere.[/quote]
Can you stay as lean as he did year round? You have a great physique and stay pretty lean from what I’ve seen, but I highly doubt it. Being able to stay that lean IS impressive.
inb4 natural vs geared comment[/quote]
So here you refer to zyzz being lean, now he is shredded so you can make a point. We could talk about what is lean or shredded all day though and never agree because our perceptions of that are obviously different, which is fine.
The above quote is the whole reason I got into this though. You are talking to someone that got contest condition and doubting that he can be lean/shredded year round like zyzz as if that is more imrpessive, when the goals of both are completely different as I have explained.
I keep thinking every time I post in this thread it’s my last, but you just keep reeling me in. I agree with most of what you’re saying other than the above. I’ll let you have the last word man.
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PM’d[/quote]
**Edit I got pwned so yes ill PM you
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Lol. You have no idea what I PM’d him or why. But feel free to speculate. [/quote]
Lol the thread got too quite. More drama needed on T-Nation.
I do agree though with Maiden, Stu, and many others that keeping a degree of leanness like that if much easier than say bulking up correctly
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Hey guys, when’s the next Haley’s comet? It’s not tonight, is it? I never want to miss it.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]PB Andy wrote:
Agreed with Bug… staying lean or lean-ish is pretty tough. Getting big (or getting there) is easy for most of us here: lift hard, lift smart, eat food. [/quote]
OK, getting big is easy now.
That must explain all of the behemoths lately.
This thread has been read quite a bit…which makes the “I knew it was a troll thread thus why I am responding too so I can make myself look like I was too smart to also post in the thread…by posting in the thread” posts really fun to read.
Here’s what I do know:
Getting big ain’t easy. Let’s be serious here. What the hell is “easy” about having a serious goal for 10 years or more and not allowing life to throw you off into the “I train off and on” crowd? It is apparently so “easy” that the average person here still hasn’t gotten there yet even if they have been lifting for several years.
Getting leaner ain’t easy when it comes to losing 40+lbs and more and holding onto that muscle mass. It takes strategy and commitment…but again, this is not exactly something that takes YEARS to pull off.
People worrying about their leanness before they ever build that size have it backwards if they plan on getting big without steroid use being at the base of most of the gains they see initially.
Other than that, people read this thread because of the topic and who responded. I seriously doubt any of us are posting for the sake of the original poster…so please, save the “I knew it was a troll thread which explains why I posted just now” posts because they make me laugh and my sides hurt already.[/quote]
Is it possible that neither are easy?
Or is that drifting too far into the realm of common sense to even be worth acknowledging on an internet forum?
[quote]ebomb5522 wrote:
Neither are easy.
It’s not easy to gain an appreciable amount of mass, and it takes a great deal of time.
It’s equally not as easy to get into contest condition.
As it’s been said before, if either were easy, we’d see a lot of guys following through with both.
I truly don’t see what the argument is. [/quote]
R u smokin crak?
I’ve been tryin’ to get huge but bring the cuts in w/ lots of reps at the end. superset.
ZZZZyyzz is that his name? I bet he woulda looked sharp in a tight red turtleneck and snug white corduroy pants, that be a heck of a Christmas outfit.
jingle jingle.
I think if you’re naturally skinny, its harder to gain muscle/put size on
And if you are naturally not-so-skinny, it is harder to get lean…
I’m no monster (according to BlueCollar, I’m right at the ‘decent’ level), but it was considerably easier for me to put the size on than to lean out without losing muscle and strength.
I love to lift hard, I love to eat, and I love getting stronger in the gym…IMO these are the components of gaining, and I enjoyed each and every one of them.
Eating less, cutting out the junk, and doing cardio–much less enjoyable for me, making that process harder for me.
[quote]bugeishaAD wrote:
Achilles – You think staying lean is easier than gaining?
No way man. Have you ever been lean (sub 10%, assuming you aren’t a naturally lean dude) and then tried to hold it for some appreciable amount of time? Shit sucks.
Because let me tell you (and everyone reading), I tried both this year, and it is far from easy. Eating an excess of calories day in, day out, is pretty easy I think, at least relatively speaking. Yes, it takes MUCH longer, especially staying natty, but getting big and strong is much simpler and requires much less thinking and planning than dieting and maintaining decent bodyfat levels once the muscle is built.
That has been my experience, anyways.
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First let’s start by establishing that ‘getting big’ means arriving in the neighborhood of a 3.0lbs per inch of height with ‘abs all in’. It’s more than just eating surplus calories.
I didn’t start training until I was 23 years old and had never even had veins in my forearms, let alone in my abs. I have never had a problem getting single-digit lean. I’ve done it with macros that vary from 30/60/10 to 30/30/30. No Problem-EASY. It took me a decade to go from 195 to 205 in condition, that’s is how I describe hard. It just depends on the person…or the definition of getting big.
[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
[quote]bugeishaAD wrote:
Achilles – You think staying lean is easier than gaining?
No way man. Have you ever been lean (sub 10%, assuming you aren’t a naturally lean dude) and then tried to hold it for some appreciable amount of time? Shit sucks.
Because let me tell you (and everyone reading), I tried both this year, and it is far from easy. Eating an excess of calories day in, day out, is pretty easy I think, at least relatively speaking. Yes, it takes MUCH longer, especially staying natty, but getting big and strong is much simpler and requires much less thinking and planning than dieting and maintaining decent bodyfat levels once the muscle is built.
That has been my experience, anyways.
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First let’s start by establishing that ‘getting big’ means arriving in the neighborhood of a 3.0lbs per inch of height with ‘abs all in’. It’s more than just eating surplus calories.
I didn’t start training until I was 23 years old and had never even had veins in my forearms, let alone in my abs. I have never had a problem getting single-digit lean. I’ve done it with macros that vary from 30/60/10 to 30/30/30. No Problem-EASY. It took me a decade to go from 195 to 205 in condition, that’s is how I describe hard. It just depends on the person…or the definition of getting big. [/quote]
Bingo. It took me about 3 years to get over 200lbs. It took WAY longer than that to push my body past that and have most of it be lean muscle mass. Most people do NOT have what it takes to push their body like that for several years. That is what makes the comments of how easy it is (especially when coming from guys who wouldn’t shock anyone upon walking into a room) a little silly. I was one of the originally skinny guys.
What an interesting study in psychology this has been.
People want to justify whatever it is that they are.
The only ones not saying ‘big/lean’ is ‘the best/hardest to do’ are those that have been both. And those enlightened few aren’t arguing at all, just surprised at all the fervour in here.
Ronnie or Aziz, Branch or Frank Zane, the only thing that is really true is…
Haters always gonna hate.
( amazed nobody posted this yet )
I must admit, I really like that tribal tat he’s rocking and I usually think they are super ghey.
[quote]waylanderxx wrote:
I must admit, I really like that tribal tat he’s rocking and I usually think they are super ghey.[/quote]
u mirin’ tat, brah? also feel free to mire those skyscraper traps
[quote]165StateChamp wrote:
I guess in a way I do have something against Akuma01. I’ve seen his posts in this forum and in the Training Logs section and the impression I got of him was that he was:
- Solely focused on building his internet reputation.
- Whiny.
- A liar.
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May I add… - Hypocrite
- Annoying Bitch