Proved what? You say you weigh 212…how do you know you couldn’t be 215-220? Yea it burns fat,along with muscle. One of the downsides of cardio is it dosnt discriminate, it will burn fat or muscle.
And work on your reading comprehension…never once said running was bad…distance running is counter productive to gaining muscle mass. Weather you agree with it or not.
Anyway I’m done…knew better than to try and talk to a kid that knows all seen all.
I don’t run for hours at a time. Its usually 20 mins max, a few uphill sprints and some slower paced jogging. Not long distance marathon running.
Im not a kid, nor am I claiming to know it all or have seen it all. From my personal experience running has done alot of good. It certainly hasn’t stopped my gains in the gym, although I am aware that maybe running 5 miles every single day could do that.
I would rather sacrafice a few lbs off my bench and my over all body size, so that I can have a -12% body fat level.
[quote]jzl1388 wrote:
Okay, so this is probably going to be trashed as a “troll” post, but I figured I’d post it anyway to see if anyone has this issue.
I used to weight 138 lbs (i’m 5’8), and was a long distance runner. i was running about 50 miles a week, and was doing very well with pace. now as you can tell, i was weak as shit at 138, and i didn’t look that good either. so i decided to gain 40 lbs. and that’s where i stand today two yrs later
bench: 1rm from 110 to 235
squat: 1 rm from 185 to 350
dl: 1 rm from 225 to 375
NOW here’s my issue. I run like shit. When I try to run my formerly usual 5 miles, i cant do any better than an 8:30 pace. what the fuck.
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I think this is a very good thread. What good is a bucketload of muscle if you can’t function? Didn’t TC have an article about how he could lift big numbers but couldn’t move his furniture?
What good is all that muscle in a fight? I have sparred huge guys (I’m 6’6" and 275) who looked like beasts and they’re so damnned slow its laughable! Even I can sidestep their attacks. What good is a kick or punch if your grandmother could just step aside and avoid it?
So, lift but you have to do other stuff. I ‘play’ with a sandbag in my workouts and spar 2 nights/week. I’d bet Prof X can lift more than me but let him try and carry 20 80 lbs bags of softener salt down a stairway after loading it on a truck — bet he’d be laying on the floor clutching his chest.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
So, lift but you have to do other stuff. I ‘play’ with a sandbag in my workouts and spar 2 nights/week. I’d bet Prof X can lift more than me but let him try and carry 20 80 lbs bags of softener salt down a stairway after loading it on a truck — bet he’d be laying on the floor clutching his chest.
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I had to carry drywall down to my basement one day. Holy shit was I tired! But I digress.
Still, I think sprints are better. Why? Maybe because they kill me, and they are important for my sport. But I have always found that the best sprinters on my football team also have some of the best endurance.
[quote]ukrainian wrote:
Headhunter wrote:
So, lift but you have to do other stuff. I ‘play’ with a sandbag in my workouts and spar 2 nights/week. I’d bet Prof X can lift more than me but let him try and carry 20 80 lbs bags of softener salt down a stairway after loading it on a truck — bet he’d be laying on the floor clutching his chest.
I had to carry drywall down to my basement one day. Holy shit was I tired! But I digress.
Still, I think sprints are better. Why? Maybe because they kill me, and they are important for my sport. But I have always found that the best sprinters on my football team also have some of the best endurance.[/quote]
Years ago, I had a guy deliver the 20 bags of salt. He put one on each shoulder (80 pounds each) and carried to my basement that way. He looked very solid but not huge or anything like that. I’d bet that, seriously pissed, he’d rip the shit out of most of us on here.
Weights are great, don’t get me wrong. Just trying walking up and down a few flights of stairs with a 90 lbs DB in each hand, to see the difference between lifting a weight and trying to use your strength.
It’s a little off topic because Bud Jeffries isn’t a long distance runner, but it’s also about developing strenght and endurance at the same time. And for a guy of his size his endurance, flexibility and agility are awesome.
I really like this topic because I can relate to the topic a lot. The simple reality is that gaining significant amounts of weight, regardless of it being lean muscle or fat, is going to decrease distance running efficiency. It is especially true when this weight in the upper body since you’re asking the legs to move that much more weight. There’s a reason what sprinters don’t look like marathoners.
So if your question is “Can I run better than an 8:30 pace at this weight?”…absolutely! At 5’10" and a lean 190lbs I’m fairly similar in proportions to you and have averaged just under 45 minute 10km (7:15 pace) the past few years. This is largely from just spin off from playing soccer and riding my bike.
The reality is that to improve your pace you just need to train and work at it. I’m sure there is quite a bit of room to improve, although I wouldn’t plan on matching your pace at 138 pounds.
I run and lift. I do total body training. I run short distances: sprints or slower runs up to 2 miles. I have great shape, look good and feel good. But I am not a bodybuilder and I am not a runner…
There are many sports where you need to have great shape, speed, strenght. Hockey, rugby and many others. Look what these guys do. They train hard and eat like crazy…
Yea i guess i shud follow some sort of protocol like that.
my current regimen is:
monday: chest/back/delts
bench 4x6 205
pull-ups +25 lbs x 10,8,8
military db press 3x15 (only 50lbs available)
face pulls 3x15
wed: legs
3x25 350 leg press
3x20 135 squat (coming back from knee injury)
3x10 leg curl
3x10 ham curl
4x20 calf raises
thurs: arms
3x10 ezbar curls
3x15 skull crushers
3x10 hammer curls
3x10 tricep pressdown
friday: running, 5 miles
saturday: running, 5 miles
sunday: off
i’m also on a continuous low carb diet, so i’ve been maintaining my strength and losing weight
[quote]irishpowerhouse wrote:
greystoke wrote:
The Op said he used to run 50miles a week. I still say screw that. Gaurantee Marius dosn’t do alot, if any long distance running. I bet its alot more short burst stuff.
Running is ok, but the long distance stuff is a mass eater. Go ahead, run Forest run, just know the more you do, the smaller you will be. Every mile, there goes all that hard earned muscle.
It is all about goals, and what you want, I want size, my cardio is very light compared to some of the treadmill addicts out there. I do sprints and short burst stuff.
I have a friend who played D-1 football, got into bodybuilding and was a badass, at about 225 lbs. He went into the Army to be a Ranger, a few weeks later I saw him briefly…he was still a badass, only 180 lb badass. You figure it out. Oh yea, at 225 he ran distances, and at a good pace.
its funny you say that. I been running twice a week at least, for a few years now, and the strength keeps going up. So does the weight. To say that every mile you run just burns off muscle is an idiotic thing to say.
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I have to agree, especially the line “Every mile, there goes all that hard earned muscle.” Is just not correct.