I guess all the vets of tnation that know stuff quit signing on. Now it’s a bunch of trolls aiming to disinform. I’ve made some crazy posts, but I wanted to learn about strength training at the same time. I guess if you screw around at all you get a bunch of shit and anyone that knows useful things pays no attention.
I’m supposed to learn by reading the forums. 90% of forum posts are written by trolls aiming to disinform. I can’t trust what I read.
I couldn’t resist deadlifting today. I did 10-12 singles at 325 trying to keep perfect form and everything tight. I hope God lets me put the deadlift back in my routines by keeping it from causing me pain. I miss the variety.
did you keep your butthole tight
I’ve felt close to shitting myself and have never squatted/deadlifted over 315
[quote]browndisaster wrote:
did you keep your butthole tight
I’ve felt close to shitting myself and have never squatted/deadlifted over 315[/quote]
You’ve got to be a troll dude.
I can’t get legit reading material.
what! if you used the anal lock technique you wouldn’t be sneeze farting or doing only KB OHPs
my 2cents
[quote]browndisaster wrote:
what! if you used the anal lock technique you wouldn’t be sneeze farting or doing only KB OHPs
my 2cents[/quote]
I guess I shouldn’t joke around about sneeze farting and buttholes falling out.
What’s wrong with KB OHP?
If I had a torn labrum I’d stay away from horizontal adduction with heavy weight. my 2 cents
NO. NO. I don’t care. Just fuck off man. I shouldn’t have replied.
I’m doing a normal justa singles program from rock iron steel for 1 exercise, but using 2 exercises: front squats and hang snatches. I don’t know how it will work out. It’s hard to add weight to the snatch every week.
The most I’ve ever hang snatched is 155. I felt like anything above that and I’d miss the lift. Laugh if you like. I’m starting at 135 and adding 5lbs every week for 2 weeks after this one.
I don’t know what my real max for the front squat is. I don’t care to find out. I’m starting at 255. I’ll add 10 lbs every week for 2 weeks after this one.
This a 4 week long cycle. It’s going to go like this: 3 weeks outlined just like in rock iron steel with a deload on the 4th week. I’ll do 3 singles for the main lifts every day of the 4th week at the weight I used on the 1st week. I’ll work up to a “max” on Sunday of the 4th week.
I’ve front squatted 345 before for a single so I might try 325, 335, 345, 350, 355. Or something like that. It depends soley on how the day feels and how the weight is moving.
In for confusion.
[quote]panzerfaust wrote:
In for confusion.[/quote]
I’m not sure what you’re referring to, but whatever bro. It’s pretty damn simple. I laid that shit out as plain as can be. Someone without enough intelligence to understand what I’ve said must be a troll, thus I’m not going to waste my time with an explanation.
I’m not sure if I’m familiar with greyhound racing or have ever seen them run the cheetas at the San Diego zoo, but they use this thing I would call a rabbit. It’s bait that the animals chase after. If I was to run a sprint in an effort to set a PR I’d want to race someone a tenth or 2 tenths of a second faster than me. I think the competition would help me perform my best. I’d like to see athletes run against rabbits at the NFL draft. It’d be more of a spectacle anyway.
It’d be one hell of a practice and training tool. Rig a card board cut out on a track with a winch or something to pull it at a specific speed then race it. It’d could be one of those unnecessary overpriced training tools you see in Perform Better that only the top tier coaches that get paid 1100 dollars an hour can afford. You know one of those things you say “that’s just a couple bars welded together and they’re charging $5000 dollars for it”.
I guess my point would be find someone a little faster than me and race them every day in my sprint workouts. And if I want to set a PR in my 100m, 200m, or 40 yd dash get a watch have someone time me and race someone a little faster than me.
And you’re sitting there reading this saying to yourself “no shit dumbass, this guy is stating things so obvious he has to be a troll”.
My local gym bought a trap bar after I requested it. I should get a medal or something. I know what my multijoint lower body movement is going to be next mesocycle. Now I really have something to look forward to.
That brings me to the question if I can really call what I do periodization. I don’t really believe in periodization, but I do believe you can only develop 1-maybe a stretch- 2 qualities at a time. Don’t ask me why I believe that-it’s because I’ve been reading stuff by Dan John not because I read some kind of statistically sounds scientific research. Statistically sound scientific research regarding lifting weights doesn’t exist.
For my training research I’ve only been able to find anecdotal evidence. It’s stupid and aggrivating, but that’s just the way the world is. “why does something work?”. “well uh because someone that’s trained 2000 athletes in 10 years says it does”. They use expert opinion when trying to decide if people are sane or not. Why not take expert opinion when trying to decide what to base your training strategies on? because looking for ways to come up with your own system will make you crazy. At least when someone asks me why I do something I do it’s easy to say because (name drop here) says it works.
It’s bullshit, but I’m a dumbass and there’s nothing I can do about it. So I’ll spend 3 4 week cycles in a row on building maximal strength and power while trying to not gain a ton of body fat and then 1 4-6 week block on hypertrophy where I eat as much as I can. Why? Because Christian Thibadeau wrote in the black book of training secrets that shit like that works? As far as I know this is reality not fake reality tv so Thib is a real guy with real experience and I can trust what he says. So all the trolls out there that like to make fun of the stuff on Tnation as bro science can fuck off. Dan John doesn’t endorse steroids so I think I can count on his training methods to work for people that don’t do steroids. As far as CT’s teaching are concerned he said the that “focus on strength and power and blow up on hypertrophy” was done without steroids.
So the things my training has in common with periodization is blocks of training where I specialize on 1 or 2 qualities at a time. Outside of that I don’t know. I don’t do GPP or peak or anything like that because I’m not an elite athlete. I suppose if I was going to do something like take up masters olympic lifting-I don’t know if there is such a thing I could use a GPP phase since I can only snatch 135. I don’t think you can say I use periodization though.
I don’t like the term anyway. It doesn’t make me think about training. It makes me think of some kind of torture where you’re given hormones and you bleed severely from your colon resulting in sloppy black stool.
mhm
turkish get ups really fire up my shoulders and make them tired in a good way. right in the anterior and medial delts and the lats. I forgot to do pullups and had to do them after turkish getups. I might have been good for 1 more rep then I was able to do and that’s it.
I really like my workout right now. yes, it’s the same thing every day with the exception of a few reps difference, but it goes by fast and is easier than other strength building workouts. The first two movements focus on strength development with full recovery. That takes me half an hour to 45 minutes after that I’m done in 15 minutes. Now alls I gots to do is sit back and hope the results are good.
There’s not much grinding out reps. There isn’t supposed to be. I’ve been using 3 second eccentrics and explosive concentrics. Today I hit the 7th rep I felt like front squats slowed down some, but I was still able to accelerate the weight off my shoulders up to lightly touch my chin.
I had a couple bad reps with snatches. I don’t want to squat under the bar and catch it. I want to dip, throw the bar and catch it tall. I do that sometimes. My problem is inconsistency. I’ll have 6 good reps and 1 that will totally suck. I should be more powerful by now. 135 should feel like nothing. Maybe my motor units have become accustomed to the weight and the minimum number to move it are being used. We’ll see what happens when I add 5 lbs next week.
How do I feel about high rep squats?
They cause sarcoplasmic hypertrophy. That’s not bad. It just doesn’t coincide with my goals. It’s good if I need “armor” or want to look good naked. If I want to be all go and no show sarcoplasmic hypertrophy isn’t the path I want to take.
I need functional hypertrophy gains-to a point-to sprint faster.
Functional hypertrophy supposedly helps you increase your maximal strength. A larger total pool of maximal strength to draw from hopefully means I have a better chance of becoming more powerful. Then specificity comes in, shits on everything and everyone starts squabbling about whether bilateral or unilateral training is more specific to sprinting. Jesus-he’s probably the only one that could tell me training theories that aren’t contradictory-someone show me the way. Someone do some fucking research and tell me something useful. No. That won’t cut the mustard either. At any point in time you can always find research denying or confirming your thoughts. Well, unless you get on the NSCA’s website and search their publications for articles. In that case you only get the bullshit the NSCA wants to feed you.
So what do I think I know? I think I know I have to put blind faith into the training theories I subscribe to. Frankly, that’s just retarded. Anyways I think I know I need to focus on strength and power for 12 weeks at a time followed by 6 weeks of functional hypertrophy. Then I get to do it all over again with more weight until I plateau and quit because I can’t make progress without steroids.
In the Maximum strength program cressey tells you to take a big gulp of air before the eccentric portion of the lift. I think intrabdominal pressure is bad. Too much of anything is bad.
Just exhale. Get rid of some air and hopefully it will lower the pressure some.
Before someone try’s to tell me I’m stupid and bound for an injury I tried for perfect form without a chest full of air and did just fine. The trick is using submaximal loads. I wouldn’t try to max out without a chestful of air. “But it’s submaximal weight. What’s the point of exhaling”. With slow eccentrics I build a substantial amount of intrabdominal pressure.
pros: makes stabilizers and spinal erectors work harder, probably decreases intrabdominal pressure
cons: decreases spinal stability
I’ll exhale with submaximal loads. Maybe 80% and below.
Who knows it might make my max go up.
I found that when I don’t do inversion after every workout me knees hurt like hell. I don’t know if it was the inversion that made the pain go away, but the pain went away when I started inverting again after the workout. Only time will tell.
I couldn’t care less about the power or full snatch. Hang clean and hang snatch are the closest you can get to vertical jumping movement. I think the RDL setup is nothing but bad news too. 9 times out of 10 you ask a person trying to learn the olympic lifts to do an RDL as part of an explosive movement and they’re going to end up with a low back injury. I wouldn’t advise anyone trying to learn the snatch on their own to start from the ground. start from blocks or the hang. Besides if you’re learning the snatch from Tnation and not directly under the tutelage of an elite coach you’re probably just an average schmuck like me that wants to run fast or jump higher so when you play pick up sports on thursday nights you get all the bragging rights. If you’re an athlete and not a competitive olympic lifter don’t waste your time learning the clean and snatch from the ground. It will waste your time.
I want to buy a electronic timing system. They’re $500, but I want to know what my 40 time really is. I don’t trust the numbers I’ve had people tell me from human timed 40’s. Have a 40 with “ready set go” cadence in a race against a kid that runs a 4.6 I’ve run a 4.7 supposedly. In another human timed 40 that went on movement I ran a 4.63 and a different time I ran a 5.3. It really is a cluster fuck and I’m not going to let it go. I have to know. So one of this days I’m gonna drop the money and buy an electronic timer that does splits at 10, 20 and 40 yds. I’d be pissed if I did that only to find out I run a 5.0 electronic timed 40. I’d return the timer then.
“Holy hemorrhoid batman, squats make my butthole hurt”. Yes it’s true. Do some super slow eccentrics with a moderately heavy load and I’ll have a bad case of butthurt. There’s two things that can unlock athletic potential 1)doing steroids and bilateral lower body exercises while moving moderate loads really fast 2) heavy bilateral lower body movements without drugs. The latter leaves me hurting every time. There’s a negative to everything I do. And butthurt is the price I pay. It’s stupid. Hopefully my butthole survives this final week of my little justa hang snatch/front squat program and I can move on to the justa hang clean/hex bar deadlift program. Hopefully that won’t be as hemorrhoid inspiring. I wish I had the equipment to lift at home. For me that would eliminate a lot of anxiety about heavy lower body exercises.
A recent forum topic in get a life was titled “The disappearing male”. Thanks a lot you assholes. That wasn’t an issue in my life until you brought it up. Now I’m paranoid everything will make me grow breasts, take away my energy, sex drive and potential to improve my squat max. Despite all the hormone mimicking chemicals in everything I use during my day to day life my hairline continues to recede. Thanks you assholes for ruining my life. I think I might be the disappearing male from Tnation.
Have a nice fucking saturday night. ASSHOLES.
It seems like every article I read the author mentions his disdain for scientific research regarding strength training or the people doing the scientific research regarding strength training.
My question is when did we become so ignorant?
I agree with the notion that someone doesn’t have to understand every chemical reaction in the human body during a training session to be an effective personal trainer, but why is there such disregard for research and researchers.
There must be good studies going on out there somewhere. I mean, their results aren’t being published in any of the NSCA publications, but they have to be going on out there somewhere.
I think the reason all the NSCA publications suck is my fault. Ben Bruno published an article on single leg training last year. In this article he said single leg training should be kept in the rep range of 6-10…or something like that. I tried to post a pdf of some article claiming single leg training to have similar or almost identical physiological effects to bilateral leg training.
Ever since then NSCA publications have sucked. I think the NSCA is a bunch of cronies trying to maintain their business advantage. They’ve turned into this secret society where only the people willing to keep the legit research under lock and key get the worthwhile information. For all I know the best researchers on the NSCA are butt buddies with big wigs at tnation. The NSCA people that are in the know only let little bits and pieces out in one on one or small group training sessions and no two clients or athletes ever hear the same information.
That sounds like a stupid way to train clients.
I’m just trying to come up with an explanation why there’s no good scientific research out there anymore.
I think a legitimate explanation might be the desire for researchers to get something published. With no regard for the quality of information. “I have 4 published papers!!! I’m…kind of…a big deal”.
So why is there such disdain for research regarding training and researchers conducting research regarding training? Because their is no unbiased organization which aims to keep every tidbit of information flowing to anyone that wants to learn it.
All we have to go on for training advice is suggestions from guys that have 900lb free squats and body builders that have won contests. Whether or not they’re on steroids or not we’ll never know.
I remember one time I tried this calf workout that promised huge results by simply doing 100 body weight calf raises a day. The pictures in the articles showed guys with cows. It took me about 6 weeks to figure out that article was horseshit without steroids.
There needs to be a disclaimer at the top of every article that states whether or not you need to be on steroids to get the results the article promises. So until that day comes I’ll have to develop my discerning eye and form an opinion on whether or not the author advocates steroids for his clients or designs things tha work for people not using drugs.
If you want to do steroids that’s fine with me. It’s not my body and not my problem. If I did steroids I would love them too much and end up getting addicted to them. I’d get addicted to being strong as fuck, the constant progress, and be in love with muscle hyperplasia all at the cost of losing all my hair. So I’ve decided to stay away from steroids. I’d love them too much not to mention I already have poor impulse control and suffer from paranoia. So if I did steroids I’d likely develop some delusion, roid rage and then kill 20 people.
I only want to be able to tell whether or not an article is for someone on steroids or a natural lifter.
so a recap: I think tnation authors don’t like research because most of it is crap. The NSCA still sucks. I won’t do steroids. I want to be able to tell whether or not I need to do steroids to get the results a tnation article promises.
I noticed that I couldn’t feel my right glute contraction as well as the left when doing KB swings. I did some static hip flexor stretches for about 1 minute on each side. That seemed to help quite a bit. I guess all the hip flexion work has really tightened hip my hip flexors and a good deal of static stretching after the cable hip flexions and right before KB swings is in order. maybe 2-3 sets of 1 minute a side.
Don’t squat heavy if you live in the southeast. The only way you can is if you’re in high school, a college athlete, black, or have blonde hair. Why? I don’t know. For some reason it’s taboo.
I do squats. I live in the southeast. I’m not in high school, a college athlete, black, or have blonde hair. And I’m all messed up.
If I stop doing front squats though I’ll never become a better athlete.
I think there’s an aversion to squatting heavy when there’s no need for it. Either that or I have a bad case of hemorrhoids from trying to lower the weight slowly during the front squat.
conspiracy theories aside I’m dropping front squats until my butthole doesn’t feel like I just spent 7 days in a maximum security prison. After that I won’t be doing front squats for a while.
I’m not following any specific program because there isn’t one really.
3-4 days a week
hang snatch justa singles as planned
DB step ups on 15 in box 3sec eccentric explosive concentric 3x8
hip flexion 2x20
static hip flexor stretch 2x1min/side
KB swings 2x20
weighted pull up 3x8
KB single arm bench press 3x8
batwings 3x25
Turkish get up 2x5
I’m going to try and go heavy on the step up. It’s a limited range of motion so it seems reasonable to want to go heavy.
I added the KB single arm benchpress in because I’d like to be able to continue doing overhead work like snatches and pushpresses
I’m also going to stop using creatine for awhile since I don’t want to be holding water. I’m sick of the bloat aswell.