Sometimes you just have to accept your limits. Its absolutely true that bodyweight affects bodyweight exercises like dips and chins. The heavier you get the harder it is. Like any exercise if its ineffective for whatever reason just dont do it or modify it. Many bigs guys have success with 1/4-1/2 dips. Not to mention if you go too low on dips that is just asking for shoulder issues. If you’re not a professional dipper either forget them or do the top end if you want the tricep benefits
[quote]saps wrote:
Sometimes you just have to accept your limits. Its absolutely true that bodyweight affects bodyweight exercises like dips and chins. The heavier you get the harder it is. Like any exercise if its ineffective for whatever reason just dont do it or modify it. Many bigs guys have success with 1/4-1/2 dips. Not to mention if you go too low on dips that is just asking for shoulder issues. If you’re not a professional dipper either forget them or do the top end if you want the tricep benefits[/quote]
Im not a proffesional dipper obviously. But my forarm and bicep break 90degrees on my dips, is this too far?
[quote]MrEdofCourse wrote:
Im not a proffesional dipper obviously. But my forarm and bicep break 90degrees on my dips, is this too far?[/quote]
Once again, I’m not an expert… but I have seen this question many times and I can tell you what the answers are.
From a gymnasts perspective, it isnt a dip until the shoulders and the hands touch. Keep in mind the flexibility and tendon strength of these athletes.
For most other athletes, dipping the upper arm parallel will count just fine. Ive also seen partials in routines for people with less than enviable shoulder girdles. They all seem to work just fine.
I personally will dip the complete range of motion to my hands when using my bodyweight, and only parallel when using weight. It’s just safer, which is smarter, which is better.
Purely my opinion, best of luck.
[quote]MrEdofCourse wrote:
[quote]saps wrote:
Sometimes you just have to accept your limits. Its absolutely true that bodyweight affects bodyweight exercises like dips and chins. The heavier you get the harder it is. Like any exercise if its ineffective for whatever reason just dont do it or modify it. Many bigs guys have success with 1/4-1/2 dips. Not to mention if you go too low on dips that is just asking for shoulder issues. If you’re not a professional dipper either forget them or do the top end if you want the tricep benefits[/quote]
Im not a proffesional dipper obviously. But my forarm and bicep break 90degrees on my dips, is this too far?[/quote]
I giggled at professional dipper
[quote]MrEdofCourse wrote:
[quote]StormTheBeach wrote:
Size has nothing to do with anything. There are some exercises that just suck though. Dips are one of them. Lunges suck too.[/quote]
I totally disagree with this, dipping with 300lbs versus 150lbs is a big difference,(its science and common sense) in high school i weighed between 185 and 210 and could pound out dips,(10-20) a set, @ 290 no such thing, im a lot stronger now and i can’t pound out dips. [/quote]
I’m the same way. When my weight went up my dips and pull-ups went down. That doesnt mean I didnt get stronger though b/c all my maxes went up. How much you weigh absolutely matters. I don’t know how anyone can say it doesnt.
I never do dips. I squat.
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I giggled at professional dipper[/quote]
haha yea sounds funky
[quote]Dymdez wrote:
[quote]MrEdofCourse wrote:
Im not a proffesional dipper obviously. But my forarm and bicep break 90degrees on my dips, is this too far?[/quote]
Once again, I’m not an expert… but I have seen this question many times and I can tell you what the answers are.
From a gymnasts perspective, it isnt a dip until the shoulders and the hands touch. Keep in mind the flexibility and tendon strength of these athletes.
For most other athletes, dipping the upper arm parallel will count just fine. Ive also seen partials in routines for people with less than enviable shoulder girdles. They all seem to work just fine.
I personally will dip the complete range of motion to my hands when using my bodyweight, and only parallel when using weight. It’s just safer, which is smarter, which is better.
Purely my opinion, best of luck.[/quote]
Thanks man, i tend to almost touch hands to shoulders, and for me its a good shoulder routine for my shoulders, they really puff after dips. But like mentioned before, my shoulders hurt for a lil while after, as do they with over head movements, but it never gets worse so i deal with it.
[quote]HERC410 wrote:
not really, but they seem to put unnesesary strain on my shoulders.(i only weigh 185 though at 5’11 or so)[/quote]
I quit doing them when my body weight got above 250, seem to really put stress on my rotator cuffs? Maybe I’m doing them wrong?
It also can be how (this was discussed in the ROM thread in the BB section)new dip stations where they get are almost in a diagnol shape which places IMO undue pressue and an awkward position on your shoulders on the descent.
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
It also can be how (this was discussed in the ROM thread in the BB section)new dip stations where they get are almost in a diagnol shape which places IMO undue pressue and an awkward position on your shoulders on the descent.[/quote]
Yea I completely agree, I have no idea where this diagonal idea came from… are there ANY benefits from it?
[quote]MrEdofCourse wrote:
Im not a proffesional dipper obviously. But my forarm and bicep break 90degrees on my dips, is this too far?[/quote]
IMO yes there is no need to go beyond parallel with the ground. The extra stretch across the chest does not make up for the substantial stress on the shoulder joint. Ask yourself why you do dips. If its triceps the top end is key. If its for chest I’d look to something else given you’re size.
[quote]MattyXL wrote:
It also can be how (this was discussed in the ROM thread in the BB section)new dip stations where they get are almost in a diagnol shape which places IMO undue pressue and an awkward position on your shoulders on the descent.[/quote]
Hmm… I found the V-shaped dip bars were actually easier on my shoulders even with 100+ pounds strapped on me. What I hate is the dip stations where the handles are absurdly far apart. Those kill the shoulders for me even at body weight.
last year I injured my right rotator cuff from a max bench attempt and took a 4 month hiatus from benching. the only chest/triceps exercise I did was dips. I have a history of wrist pains from boxing so I avoided skull crushers and extensions… anyways during that time I was on the conjugate method and started doing 1-3 reps dips on max effort days. that got my dip up body weight + 180 extra pounds. although it did not move my bench up at all, at least nothing was lost I guess? this was taken last year, it was my first time doing the 180 extra pounds Join this room
I am 5’10", 190 lbs (in the video I was 180 lbs). I believe height and body weight is a factor albeit ones that can be controlled and improved upon so that it wouldn’t hinder performance… but then again I’m not in your shoes. There are some freakishly strong, and really tall guys out there; take Konstantinov for example. or any of the strongmen. I think all of them are 6 feet and up.
anyways if you really want to move up in dips, start maxing it out. you should be able to get to +135 lbs without much trouble. if you have shoulder symptoms like I do, start rehabbing A LOT before or after. Pull back your shoulder blades and keep your upper back tight while you do the dips. also, keep your elbows close to your body as possible. this set up is the same as if you’re doing a powerlifter bench press.
unlike the flared-elbow version, when you do down in a elbow-closed dip, you will feel super tight at the bottom of the dip and almost as if you’re doing to “bounce” right back up. this bounce feeling gets harder to detect the more weight you add but by that time, hopefully you will already learn the cue to come back up.
I admit I still do feel my shoulder at times when I go under 5 rep schemes but shoulder horn and rope pulls etc. plays a big role in mitigating the pain. Keep in mind that it most likely won’t move up your bench press though.
hope my ranting helps.
[quote]StormTheBeach wrote:
Size has nothing to do with anything. There are some exercises that just suck though. Dips are one of them. Lunges suck too.[/quote]
I SUCK AT SQUATTING(380 MAX) BUT CAN DO LUNGES FOR 3X6 WITH THE 110S.WEIRD