Slogan for this thread, “Why prepare when you can repair?!” insert chortle here
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I hit 405 in 7 months doing warmup sets. With video to prove it…
Yes I read the whole glorious thread.
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Puking is so passé. I don’t think you can call yourself a real lifter until you’ve shit yourself in the middle of a beltless 20 rep squat set that you didn’t warm up for.
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That depends. Were the squats dead stop?
They were obviously low bar sumo squats and; therefore, invalid.
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A truth and a lie. Guess which is which:
My best deadlift is 900lbs
I once shat myself warming up with 95lbs on incline bench, went to the locker-room threw away my undergarments, then proceeded to lift commando.
Am I hardcore?
EDIT; Clue, I now lift in my garage.
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Literally a more compelling reason to avoid warming up than anything OP posted.
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I love the competitiveness over who’s shit themselves the worst while lifting.
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why did you share this? this points to exactly the opposite of what you’re saying. but from what you said after you shared the summary, it seems like you don’t understand what it’s saying. really really weird. At the very least, it does NOT support your argument.
The argument I made from the very beginning is that, as a beginner, which is what you are, warming up isn’t that important. I got away with it for years. When I was young, early 20’s, it wasn’t necessary. But injuries piled up, and I was forced into training smarter. That’s really the thing that you’re just not getting, that your own experience does not compare to the experiences of the folks in here who have lifted so much longer, and heavier, than you have.
I can give you a specific example of warming up. I have to literally heat up/ warm my left knee prior to starting any strength training. I slip on a neoprene knee sleeve, and I wear it throughout all my lifting sessions, I can tell you, from direct empirical evidence, that this substantially increases performance, recovery, and it reduces pain. I have trained with and without it, and I really wouldn’t use it if it didn’t help. I’ve tried other things, and physical warmth makes a difference.
Have you ever strength trained outside in the cold? serious question. In the winter, I practice several events outside, and if my hips aren’t warm for certain things, or my biceps aren’t warm yet for others, I know I’m at a greater risk for injury, because I can feel the excess tightness and strain.
Think what you want, man, at the end of the day, we’re only trying to help.
we can agree to disagree on that assertion.
you won’t let us know, because you will not accomplish this in your lifetime.
Aaaand finally. Wow. I came back to 180 additional posts to read after I left this thread yesterday. incredible.
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Flip, that’s very nice of you to come back and attempt a sincere reply, but as you can see the time for that has LONG since passed in this thread.
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It has. And I don’t expect to convince the OP, he’s clearly got his head stuck deep within the sand.
I’ll give serious responses like this when I think I have something worth mentioning, even if the thread has already gone off the rails, not necessarily for the benefit of the OP, or even any participants in the thread, but for the potential benefit of lurkers, or people who will read this later.
That’s actually how I see most Facebook arguments I get in. I assume that some people reading them will be able to discern what is and what is not a good argument, and take something positive out of what I say, even when I know the person I’m arguing with won’t ever come around.
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Regarding training in the cold, I spent 5 years training in an unheated/noninsulated garage in Northern North Dakota. Got down to -60 with windchill at times.
Snapped my left hamstring like a rubber band one day trying to squat with a faster eccentric. Couldn’t squat with an eccentric for 8 months after that. Taught me the value of being warm.
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Good going! Took me 8 months from the first day I started training and I can’t help but credit good form to the sheer number of reps done in warm-up sets.
Form always slips when the weight exceeds 90% of 1RM so surely you’re just exponentially increasing likelihood of injury going in cold…
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I’m still confused… EVERYONE agrees that static stretching is not useful for lifting, but that’s also not necessarily the same as a warm up. So stretching=no go, warm up=maybe?
And what about performance? Are we merely talking about what I can do without getting hurt or what I can do to achieve peak performance? It’s been addressed but the OP never actually came around to answering it. If it’s performance, then research supports a warm up.
This supports and challenges the OP’s stance on stretching and warm ups. But it’s about performance instead of injuries. But who cares about performance?
Not to Monday-morning-QB you, but you really should have shut the garage door that day.
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I think you may be joking, but you aren’t wrong; I had it open. It was a particularly warm day at -30 and I was trying to enjoy the sunshine, haha.
I started wearing a thermal underlayer after that day, which helped.
I’m surprised how long this thread has continued. I think it’s because of how polarizing people make it. Like I said, I’m not a warm up athiest. I just don’t follow the prevailing dogmatic recommendations of how to warm up. I warm up by doing slow reps on the positive and negative. Sorry I didn’t emphasize my slow cadence earlier. For some, like competitive power lifters or people with joint issues a more elaborate warm up is necessary. I’m not one of those.
Some trainers recommend warming up and then stretching before a lift. But it seems like some people on here skip the stretch part. Why do you skip stretching, so many trainers suggest it?
Yawn…
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Careful about yawning; you might accidentally stretch.
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I personally don’t skip stretching. I do my stretches and rolling day after lifting as a recovery method.
PS. as a warm up I’ll do calisthenics/movement/dynamic stretching stuff just for 5.-10 mins, and then proceed to a empty barbell and start easily ramping up.
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