[quote]The other Rob wrote:
If this shit goes on for a few more pages I’ll be back to post as many pictures of lolcats as possible.[/quote]
I like this guy even more now.
[quote]Bill Roberts wrote:
The ignorance is astounding.
You think no natural competitor is CT’s size off-season?
You think CT’s size in competition condition was the biggest ever, or now would be if he got back into competition condition again?
He’s a jacked dude, but the idea that no one in the world can be that size without drugs is woefully ignorant. Pick 100 guys at random and probably none of them can do it, but select for those who are competitive strength athletes in the first place, as he was, and of course some can.
Again, I’m reminded of the ignorance of the naysayers claiming what Levrone was doing was impossible without drugs.
Some people just have no idea of what is not only possible but in fact happens in bb’ing and has happened many, many times when talking about the gifted.[/quote]
People also don’t want to face the fact that they’re small, and they’re that way because they aren’t eating enough or training hard enough (or know when to take breaks).
They just have all these excuses about how everyone else has it EASY and how they have it hard. It you’re small, you’re that way because of the things you have done. CT is a big dude because that’s what he does.
And Roberts, your information is always useful. I don’t think I’ve seen anything by you that is purely opinion or some nonsense that a “training philosopher” would put together. You’re about the science, and that is awesome.
[quote]kribrg wrote:
Damn, you did it again. This time, instead of spending 2 paragraphs telling me how I’m not worthy of your response and how you don’t have time for me…why don’t you spend two paragraphs addressing the point.
Let me reframe for you. Ronnie Coleman. 220lbs. Naturals can achieve that. Not only naturals but guys in every gym, prof x, etc can achieve that. Now tell me how I am wrong to think that is “absurd”. ok, go![/quote]
Explain why anyone should listen to you…okay, go!
I don’t understand why anyone would subscribe to, let alone follow, the creator of a line of thinking whose sole purpose is to tell people what they cannot achieve. The mind is a powerful tool, if you go around all day thinking you will never accomplish something, guess what, you’re right, you won’t.
I can’t fathom why Casey Butt would have so many fan boys when all he does is tell you the limits to your potential with never having known you, it’s like these guys have been totally brainwashed. I’m sure none of them are even remotely muscular either, and when someone mentions this to them, their response is “Well, it’s only possible to have 192 pounds of LBM so at 160 I’m getting there slowly but surely!”
When I saw the I, BODYBUILDER program advertisement and looked at CT’s video I said to myself “he’s yoked as f*ck!”. For someone like CT as advanced and muscular as he already was, to put on the additional muscle you could visually see in that defined period of time was all that was necessary to get my attention. You want to put numbers to his accomplishment and what a couple of others accomplished on this program as part of the program’s advertisement? Fine. Did I interpret the numbers these people gained in the time frame they did as guaranteed results I could experience? No. And I never do with advertisements. But considering the fact that Biotest (and CT) have proven reputations, my attitude is how much more can I gain by following this program to a T over what I’m already doing if CT added that much muscle himself on this program?
I don’t give a crap about the advertisement’s proclaimed numbers, anyone who has a a pair of eyes can see what CT built in that video. That’s the difference between guys who spill blood, sweat and tears in the gym and actually build muscle and the Internet armchair critics who don’t accomplish shit, won’t post pictures, and won’t share any credentials of what they’ve accomplished in the lab or the gym. They’re the type of no-name Internet punks who will spend hours going on and on about the advertisement’s numbers and try to refute them with Aragon’s “human muscle limit” study that is apparently beyond reproach. These lemmings are pathetic. They waste everyone’s time here trying to bait people into arguing with them as they spew this shit out on their computer located in the basement of their parent’s house where they live.
lyle mcdonald is also the same guy claiming Chris Shugart has an eating disorder.
[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
Time for a lock down IMO. [/quote]
Agreed.
[quote]Tillerman wrote:
The Mage wrote:
12 yr old on chocolate milk?
Hell, I knew an 11yr old who had 2 Twinkies, a scone, 4 Skittles, and a marshmallow, and damn he was jacked. (22 inch arms too.)
OK, seriously, how exactly can people critique a supplement / workout program that has not been released yet?
If someone with a profit-motive in a training protocol claimed that the soon-to-be released training protocol would allow an ordinary person to run faster than gold-winning Olympic athletes, would we need to wait for it to be released to question such claims?
I’m not saying that is analogous to the claims made in the advertising of the product at issue in this thread (although one could argue for the analogy), but the simple point is that raising questions about advertising claims before a product is released makes sense if the advertising claims warrant scrutiny. [/quote]
I’m not saying you can’t doubt it. That’s fine, let’s all doubt it. But nobody can say it won’t actually work until we see if it actually does or not.
With the running analogy, again if you don’t know exactly how they are increasing their running speed, you cannot say it does not work.
Saying, “I’ll believe it when I see it.” is a healthy skepticism. But to actually spend time saying something does not work before you even know what it is, is the sign of either a closed mind, or the result of an ulterior motive.
If this thing is a flop, it will do more damage to this place then anything you say or do. But the other question is what happens if it succeeds? I expect everyone who was attacking it to still attack it regardless.