I Deleted the Amazing New Supplement Thread--TC

Training Bodybuilding
361

[quote]LankyMofo wrote:
If I’m on a cooking board and claim I’m the greatest at decorating cakes, you don’t think people will ask for proof of some cakes I’ve decorated? No one is asking for proof to ASK the question, we’re asking for proof that you’re qualified to ANSWER the question. [/quote]

How does a pic satisfy competence?

You’ve never known a very large, very lean person that was incompetent with regards to training or nutrition?

I certainly have.

Again, how does this satisfy competence or qualification? Especially on the internet?

362

I can see Alan’s ladies are a bit confused, so let me help you girls out, I will include pictures so you can follow along more closely.

Arnold (BODYBUILDER) <----- I put this in caps so there is no confusion since you guys are slow

http://www.pchristensen.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2008/02/arnold.jpg

Kevin Nee (POWERLIFTER, STRONGMAN) <---- Again, so you ho’s know which is which

Now, if you are that inept that you cannot tell a difference between the two, or even from their goals, you need to stop arguing now.

Powerlifter’s and bodybuilders train for two different things. Jim Wendler had a 1000+ squat, that is impressive as hell, but he would get laughed at at mr. olympia.

The fact of the matter is you guys are making not only the sport of bodybuilding, but the sport of powerlifting into something it is not, it is not a pissing match about science or facts. The ONLY facts that say anything are PICTURES COUPLED WITH STATS. Both of which you ladies have provided none of, nor do you on your own site.

I did not throw my pic into this debate to be like, hey, look at my bodybuilder physique, no no, one of you morons dug it out of my powerlifting log and posted it here. I really don’t care, I am proud of what I have accomplished and what I will accomplish, there are people that follow my log on a regular basis, and I am a respected member of not only this online community, but in real life gyms, weightlifting clubs, and teams.

I don’t care what you have to say about the way I look, I lift for numbers, and numbers only. The fact of the matter is I know without even seeing any of you guys that I would make you look like a fucking fool in the gym, my numbers and stats speak for themselves, and as you can see in my own profile, the only supp I am even on is BCAA, so I am as natural as they come.

The only reason I keep addressing this issue is because I honestly think you people fail to see the difference between powerlifters and bodybuilders.

Also, while we are on the subject, someone mentioned that we are all followers of PX. To hell with that shit, whereas I do respect him for his tremendous size, and his ability to lift, I do not agree with everything he says, nor am I still engaging in this argument for/because of him.

You need to realize that a lot more people follow/subscribe to this site then do alan aragon, and he is making himself look like a fucking jackass, not even by his own means, but by sending his army of “scientists” over here to defend his honor.

363

[quote]TC wrote:
Anyhow, the naysayer is a guy whose articles I rejected, so I think he’s got a bug up his ass towards me and Biotest. (Think of the Glenn Close character in Fatal Attraction and you’ve got him pegged.)

[/quote]

Who’d a thunk the bug was this big.

364

But the claims of the program have actually been achieved by people. We have explained how and why CT gained this much muscle. If anyone cares enough to wonder why the claims are so great they can look around the forum and find out for themselves. If your whole argument is you believe that to be dishonest then that point has been answered many times earlier.

People other than CT have achieved great things under this protocol, just not all as amazing in terms of numbers. It may not “revolutionise body building” but have you ever seen a supplement ad before? This stuff is par for the course, it may make bigger claims than other ads, but I bet it’ll do a whole lot more for people than other supplements and routines.

I’m not waiting with baited breath for Anaconda or I, BODYBUILDER, but I cannot see what your problem is with it, what you see as an exaggeration I see as necessary to not be lost amongst the shitty NO products etc.

365

Can we please evaluate posts and claims on their own merit, the evidence they are based on, and their logical mettle, rather than number of posts, “levels,” date of registration, or how shredded the author’s calves are?

rob,

I have addressed the “it’s not even released yet” point above. The questions and criticisms aren’t being leveled directly at the product or program, but rather the claims and hype that surround it which appear not to be supported by science or prevailing experience. Please note that skepticism is NOT the same as cynicism although it may sometimes appear that way. If you were a fat, sedentary kid who claimed he could do 20 1-armed handstands, and then charged me $80 to see the video, the claim would be worth critiquing.

366

[quote]Jacked Diesel wrote:
I don’t care what you have to say about the way I look, I lift for numbers, and numbers only. The fact of the matter is I know without even seeing any of you guys that I would make you look like a fucking fool in the gym, my numbers and stats speak for themselves, and as you can see in my own profile, the only supp I am even on is BCAA, so I am as natural as they come.[/quote]

I out-squat and out-pull you, by a significant margin.

Therefore I know more than you.

I see the distinction quite clearly.

What’s lacking is the understanding that it’s irrelevant when placed next to the standard you’re using to judge competence.

Alan didn’t send anyone here.

Nor do I understand why you have such a hatred for scientists. Without them, you’d be much worse off in every imaginable way.

367

[quote]wrathchild wrote:
The other Rob wrote:
So you’re not impressed at arms over 18" at a level of leaness that means that measurement is mostly muscle? The guy Military presses around 300lbs for fuck sake, what are your standards? Are you incapable of seeing muscle in someone over 10%bf?

Firstly, his leanness is part of the subjectivity. You claim he’s 18%, but his pictures say at least 20% to my eye - and that’s being generous. Without an accurate measure, we’re both going by an eyeball, so again subjectivity comes into the picture.

Secondly, no, 18" arms are not in themselves a measure of competence, for a variety of reasons. That his leanness is in question is only one of them.

Thirdly, his lifts are largely irrelevant without videos. His overhead press especially, given the disparity between that lift and his squat and deadlift. Again, another subjective variable.

Do you still not see how applying a subjective standard like this is pointless? [/quote]

First, when I weighed 199, I had around 12% BF, so no, I did not put on 8% BF, either way, don’t really care, I am bulking.

Second, there have been members on this site that have not only seen me in real life, but have trained with me in the gym, so you gotta come up with something better to disppute my strength.

368

[quote]wrathchild wrote:
LankyMofo wrote:
If I’m on a cooking board and claim I’m the greatest at decorating cakes, you don’t think people will ask for proof of some cakes I’ve decorated? No one is asking for proof to ASK the question, we’re asking for proof that you’re qualified to ANSWER the question.

How does a pic satisfy competence?

You’ve never known a very large, very lean person that was incompetent with regards to training or nutrition?

I certainly have.

It’s the same thing with the whole Bill Belichek analogy. He’s already GOT the proof that he knows what he’s doing. If you don’t look like you lift, at least show us some pictures of people you’ve trained. We need SOMETHING that shows you know what you’re talking about.

Again, how does this satisfy competence or qualification? Especially on the internet?[/quote]

But it’s just basic science. Percentage wise I’ve met ALOT more big guys that know what they are doing in the gym than I have skinny guys that actually know how best to meet their goals. Not every big guy got there by doing everything perfectly (in fact a do everything perfect mentality holds a lot of people back) but I’d trust a big guy over a skinny one any idea if the question is how to get bigger.

Oh and to the guy who said 220 lean is impossible for a natty, is that contest lean or 10% bodyfat lean? The latter is in my mind very achievable.

369

[quote]wrathchild wrote:
I out-squat and out-pull you, by a significant margin.
[/quote]

Haha, no, no you don’t

370

[quote]wrathchild wrote:

Alan didn’t send anyone here.
[/quote]

You’re right. For all we know all you anonymous peeps could be AA. It’s not unheard of, someone making new users to help solidify their argument.

371

[quote]Jacked Diesel wrote:
Second, there have been members on this site that have not only seen me in real life, but have trained with me in the gym, so you gotta come up with something better to disppute my strength. [/quote]

How does this fact prove anything to me, an objective observer?

I still can’t verify your lifts.

372

Read this whole thread for entertainment and also because it caught my eye due to the fact that I had linked Casey Butt’s chart/study in another site previously, and was curious about the response to his work here (in the forums).

My “I’m Nobody” thoughts:

  1. Chocolate milk is a stupid recommendation.

  2. Mr. Butt’s study is not to be dismissed, although some posters seem offended by it, because it (the study) commits the cardinal sin of piercing the bubble of many lifters’ dreams. Plus, he seems like a reasoned and objective fellow.

  3. Mr. Thibaudeau has posted in a FUBAR thread, and come out imo smelling like roses. Much respect to him. (Not that my opinion means diddly.)

  4. The “lemmings” made some interesting and relevant points, but have now resorted to “winning” by using good debate tactics, as opposed to using good arguments. Big difference.

373

I like this “other Rob” kid. A sole bright spot in the vacuum of space that is the Aug 09ers.

374

[quote]wrathchild wrote:
Jacked Diesel wrote:
Second, there have been members on this site that have not only seen me in real life, but have trained with me in the gym, so you gotta come up with something better to disppute my strength.

How does this fact prove anything to me, an objective observer?

I still can’t verify your lifts.[/quote]

I have nothing to prove to you, pal, you are nothing more than text on the internet to me, a faceless, nameless nothing with no proof that you even know what a DB looks like.

My point, on the other hand, is that there are in fact real people on this site that have witnessed what I can do in the gym… in real life.

375

[quote]Aragorn wrote:
I like this “other Rob” kid. A sole bright spot in the vacuum of space that is the Aug 09ers.[/quote]

BTW aragorn, can I have an Alpha invite, I left when they revamped it and never got another one.

376

[quote]wrathchild wrote:
countingbeans wrote:
People here asking for pictures have them up. No need to ask. We offer from the get go. Too bad the favor isn’t returned.

None of you have public pictures… hmmm… Even your Shepard didn’t have enough nut to put a picture up from the safety of his “home turf”… hmmm

You’re still not following.

What I’m suggesting is that it’s ridiculous from the outset to require “pics” as proof of competence.

I’ve already shown you why that’s a lousy argument - what you consider “awesome” will not be universally so. Subjective standards are subjective.

The point I’m trying to make is that pics have virtually zero relevance to the validity of an argument. It’s like going to a cooking board, asking a question about cakes, and being told you have to put up a picture of your best cake in order to ask a question.

It’s a non-sequitur from the get-go. [/quote]

I don’t give a fuck what you assfaces look like. I will find something to tear you down about. Just like your faceless, oops I mean fearless leader did in the first few pages of his own thread. And I’m sure he is continuing to do, calling us all cocksuckers from over “there.”

[quote]
I’m not making any derogatory remarks, so I’m not sure why you’re saying I am. [/quote]

eh, you are right, but the dude with his hand in your ass, feeding you what to say is, so you fail by association.

The part were we don’t give a fuck about you guys. Just go away and we will continue to ignore you like we did before. Pinky swear.

Fucking Laughable! But you are right because you guys didn’t repeat the bullshit derogatory remarks made on your “home base” thread over here.

Is it legal to take someone’s picture from the internet and make derogatory race bated comments about it on your site? I would imagine it is. But don’t’ worry, get all up in arms about the morals of fucking advertising. Jesus Christ you honestly don’t see the problem here? You honestly don’t see the disconnect from reality?

Dude, you don’t have to be a ripped 220lbs to have an opinion. We just want to see who we are talking to, and go from there.

Thing is you guys talk about science, reason, critical thinking, all that “intellectual bullshit” then act like fucking children. I can’t find a thread over there without the word “bro” used 6,485 times. Yeah that sure is being critical, but not in the way you hold yourself superior for.

At least when I act like a total assface over here, I will be the first to admit I’m acting like an indignant prick. You guys are so blinded by self righteousness you can’t even see how your elitism has made you what you hate. You are more “bros” than 80% of the people here. You just have some lab coats and studies, when we have sweat and barbells.

Honestly, are more threads over there about how bad bro’s train, and how dumb bro’s are, or are more threads about how to get swole? I bet most of your time is spent touching tips and agreeing how “dumb da bro’s are for doing curls yo.” It is fucking sad that you can’t just keep that shit to yourselves, you have to “raid” another board.

Sometimes we act like kids over here too, but we aren’t running over to your sight to try and prove something are we…

377

[quote]punnyguy wrote:
Read this whole thread for entertainment and also because it caught my eye due to the fact that I had linked Casey Butt’s chart/study in another site previously, and was curious about the response to his work here (in the forums).

My “I’m Nobody” thoughts:

  1. Chocolate milk is a stupid recommendation.

  2. Mr. Butt’s study is not to be dismissed, although some posters seem offended by it, because it (the study) commits the cardinal sin of piercing the bubble of many lifters’ dreams. Plus, he seems like a reasoned and objective fellow.

  3. Mr. Thibaudeau has posted in a FUBAR thread, and come out imo smelling like roses. Much respect to him. (Not that my opinion means diddly.)

4. The “lemmings” made some interesting and relevant points, but have now resorted to “winning” by using good debate tactics, as opposed to using good arguments. Big difference.
[/quote]

Thank you…
Even if

378

[quote]countingbeans wrote:

Is it legal to take someone’s picture from the internet and make derogatory race bated comments about it on your site? I would imagine it is. But don’t’ worry, get all up in arms about the morals of fucking advertising. Jesus Christ you honestly don’t see the problem here? You honestly don’t see the disconnect from reality?
[/quote]

Who was being racist and towards who? Because that’s fucked.

379

Aaw shucks, I still find it funny that some people thought it was you people were complaining about. I’ve had my fill of this thread and I don’t think there’s any more to say. If this shit goes on for a few more pages I’ll be back to post as many pictures of lolcats as possible.

380

[quote]Jacked Diesel wrote:
countingbeans wrote:

Is it legal to take someone’s picture from the internet and make derogatory race bated comments about it on your site? I would imagine it is. But don’t’ worry, get all up in arms about the morals of fucking advertising. Jesus Christ you honestly don’t see the problem here? You honestly don’t see the disconnect from reality?

Who was being racist and towards who? Because that’s fucked.[/quote]

I don’t want to go into it any further. Because it is such bullshit it makes me sick to my stomach to type it.

They wear the “un moderated” label, go there and see their insanity for yourself. Although you have to register, so I’m sure they will ban anyone that joins today or the next week or so.