[quote]stevo_ wrote:
I don’t know why people don’t just try to get as strong as possible. You WILL get bigger that way, and if you don’t, you’ll still be strong.
Cant lose.[/quote]
Yes ! finally someone who gets it ! lifting heavy is always the platform to building a bigger stronger faster physique .period . But ! getting strong isnt the only thing that matters , that’s where my theory comes in .
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But…you skipped my last question! I asked you about “your theory”. Could you explain your theory better? [/quote]
by the way im not saying that all you need to do to get big or that its the best way possible, but its a good fuckin start
[quote]stevo_ wrote:
I don’t know why people don’t just try to get as strong as possible. You WILL get bigger that way, and if you don’t, you’ll still be strong.
Cant lose.[/quote]
Yes ! finally someone who gets it ! lifting heavy is always the platform to building a bigger stronger faster physique .period . But ! getting strong isnt the only thing that matters , that’s where my theory comes in .
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But…you skipped my last question! I asked you about “your theory”. Could you explain your theory better? [/quote]
by the way im not saying that all you need to do to get big or that its the best way possible, but its a good fuckin start
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Lifting lighter for definition makes no sense to me. The definition should come from reducing fat AND adding muscle mass. This idea that lighter weights “carve away” the muscle and therefore shaping it is a bullshit marketing ploy that Joe Weider probably started.
[quote]MytchBucanan wrote:
Lifting lighter for definition makes no sense to me. The definition should come from reducing fat AND adding muscle mass. This idea that lighter weights “carve away” the muscle and therefore shaping it is a bullshit marketing ploy that Joe Weider probably started.[/quote]
Joe Weider did quite a bit to centralize concepts in bodybuilding so I am not sure why some people feel the need to act like he is responsible for every turd of info in the resistance training industry. The only people talking about light weights and definition are infomercial jackasses and personal trainers trying to fool women into training with them.
There was a time around the early 80’s where some pro bodybuilders claimed they dropped the weight when dieting…but that was mostly because they had less energy from taking in less food. Others read this as if they were supposed to drop the weight because it CAUSED definition.
[quote]MytchBucanan wrote:
Lifting lighter for definition makes no sense to me. The definition should come from reducing fat AND adding muscle mass. This idea that lighter weights “carve away” the muscle and therefore shaping it is a bullshit marketing ploy that Joe Weider probably started.[/quote]
Joe Weider did quite a bit to centralize concepts in bodybuilding so I am not sure why some people feel the need to act like he is responsible for every turd of info in the resistance training industry. The only people talking about light weights and definition are infomercial jackasses and personal trainers trying to fool women into training with them.
There was a time around the early 80’s where some pro bodybuilders claimed they dropped the weight when dieting…but that was mostly because they had less energy from taking in less food. Others read this as if they were supposed to drop the weight because it CAUSED definition.
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It might not be Joe Weider’s doing. But many of his articles were spouting this type of advice. Once again, well said Prof!
Even slow twitch muscle fibers can be trained to take on the properties as well as resemble fast twitch muscle fibers. Definition = separation plus leanness. Separation = mass (largest muscle fibers are fast twitch) leanness has nothing to do with light weight. I’ll stick with getting my shoulders as strong and large as possible and diet down. I’ll take my chances with what’s already working.
The only people talking about light weights and definition are infomercial jackasses and personal trainers trying to fool women into training with them.
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Could you come to Australia and say this to the other trainers at my gym?
oh and of course a delt triad is worth it! just make sure you combine your usual power/strength work otherwise your training will just be too one sided imo
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
Keep your scaps retracted and lower the weights so the bottom of your hand comes even with the top of your shoulders. [/quote]
BONEZ I hope you check this thread again because the part I quoted really intrigued me.
I’ve actually never focused on keeping my scapular retracted on shoulder presses. I do it on things like incline presses and rows but it never crossed my mind to do it on shoulder presses.
Is it a safety thing or do you find it shifts more tension to the lateral delt?
Do you use it on lateral raises as well?[/quote]
Safety, for sure. And I also feel like I keep the proper ‘groove’ throught the lift. If I loosen up my scapulae it becomes too easy for the load to move around and I lose tension on the target.
I really learned how to keep the scaps tight while doing overhead lifting by using a shoulder press machine. After achieving the muscle memory in that area I was able to mimic it with dumbells. I actually prefer shoulder press machines because I don’t do OHP first in my routine (stabilizers are a little tired by then) but I’ve maxed out most of the shitty machines at my gym and there’s no HS shoulder press. So I wind up rotating dumbells and machines.
HS ISO Behind-the-Neck press machine is awesome:) coupled with the cybex machine laterals…I figure once I work up to pushing 3 + plates for many reps plus most of the stack on the laterals. I’ll have decent shoulders:)
[quote]JonBlood wrote:
Okay guys, so back on topic! Is this delt triad worth rotating into my shoulder workouts or am I wasting my time?[/quote]
I am a big fan of Dr. Hyght, but I did not find the delt triad to do anything for me. I tried for it for a couple of months and I definitely felt the burn and got tired, but did not notice anything else from it and dropped it.
[quote]JonBlood wrote:
Okay guys, so back on topic! Is this delt triad worth rotating into my shoulder workouts or am I wasting my time?[/quote]
I am a big fan of Dr. Hyght, but I did not find the delt triad to do anything for me. I tried for it for a couple of months and I definitely felt the burn and got tired, but did not notice anything else from it and dropped it.[/quote]
It could be useful for someone who has a hard time recruiting/feeling their shoulders or to get a pump in the shoulders at the end of a workout. If you already have no problem recruiting/getting a pump in your delts, then it’s probably not going to do much for you.
[quote]stevo_ wrote:
I don’t know why people don’t just try to get as strong as possible. You WILL get bigger that way, and if you don’t, you’ll still be strong.
Cant lose.[/quote]
Yes ! finally someone who gets it ! lifting heavy is always the platform to building a bigger stronger faster physique .period . But ! getting strong isnt the only thing that matters , that’s where my theory comes in . [/quote]
Could you please give an overall explanation of your theory? It sounds like you have a supreme understanding and I would really be interested in your guidance. Also, how about some sample workouts and meals that you would suggest?
[quote]jameselliott wrote:
LMao ! I love this baching ! you seen good at it ! But the fact of the matter is that training shoulders is strictly a (Type I) fiber , your going to get benifit going heavy in other exercises to increase your shoulders "functionally " ( fail , what the heck does that mean , something you just made up ? ) [/quote]
fail is when a post is retarded stupid or just full of wrong info, fail is what your original post was.
[quote]JonBlood wrote:
Okay guys, so back on topic! Is this delt triad worth rotating into my shoulder workouts or am I wasting my time?[/quote]
I am a big fan of Dr. Hyght, but I did not find the delt triad to do anything for me. I tried for it for a couple of months and I definitely felt the burn and got tired, but did not notice anything else from it and dropped it.[/quote]
It could be useful for someone who has a hard time recruiting/feeling their shoulders or to get a pump in the shoulders at the end of a workout. If you already have no problem recruiting/getting a pump in your delts, then it’s probably not going to do much for you. [/quote]
Sorry if its a stupid question, but is it important to always get a pump when working out? So far Im only getting pumps from working biceps. Im only focused on getting heavier weights up for every bodypart. I get almost zero pumps for back, chest, shoulders, triceps and legs during my workouts. Should I include on getting pumps?
[quote]JonBlood wrote:
Okay guys, so back on topic! Is this delt triad worth rotating into my shoulder workouts or am I wasting my time?[/quote]
I am a big fan of Dr. Hyght, but I did not find the delt triad to do anything for me. I tried for it for a couple of months and I definitely felt the burn and got tired, but did not notice anything else from it and dropped it.[/quote]
It could be useful for someone who has a hard time recruiting/feeling their shoulders or to get a pump in the shoulders at the end of a workout. If you already have no problem recruiting/getting a pump in your delts, then it’s probably not going to do much for you. [/quote]
I remember mightystu said to me before that although he now presses lighter than before in his compound work, pre-fatiguing the shoulders with isolation moves and then following this with overhead pressing made his shoulders look bigger and better. As size is the goal I would follow stu, proof is in the pudding
[quote]JonBlood wrote:
Okay guys, so back on topic! Is this delt triad worth rotating into my shoulder workouts or am I wasting my time?[/quote]
I am a big fan of Dr. Hyght, but I did not find the delt triad to do anything for me. I tried for it for a couple of months and I definitely felt the burn and got tired, but did not notice anything else from it and dropped it.[/quote]
It could be useful for someone who has a hard time recruiting/feeling their shoulders or to get a pump in the shoulders at the end of a workout. If you already have no problem recruiting/getting a pump in your delts, then it’s probably not going to do much for you. [/quote]
Sorry if its a stupid question, but is it important to always get a pump when working out? So far Im only getting pumps from working biceps. Im only focused on getting heavier weights up for every bodypart. I get almost zero pumps for back, chest, shoulders, triceps and legs during my workouts. Should I include on getting pumps?[/quote]
Unless your shoulders and back are very big, even if you get a pump there you may not notice it. Not only that, but a “pump” is nothing more than more blood in that muscle group due to training it…which means there is no way you could truly prevent a “pump” unless you were using extremely light weight…or you are dead. If you are walking around in a size 46 suit jacket wondering why your back doesn’t pump up, it is because you have a size 46 back and won’t notice it.