Hungarian Oak for the Upper Body?

Training Bodybuilding
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[quote]mc_neumann wrote:
Scott M wrote:
mc_neumann wrote:
Scott M wrote:
no

What is your take on the gains and cutting I have seen with the drop set/ Oak press I set up? Is it the working of our friend the muscle fairy?

A) Where did it say anything about drop sets in the article?

B) You pictures show a beginner who found a technique that he put faith and in trained hard. Do you really think that’s so odd? If it was HIT or Max-OT or mc_neumanns clusterfuck of CT’s article I think the changes would be similar

A) I stated that I combined drop sets with the subject matter, you did not make mention of them

B) I like my clusterfuck of CT’s article

C) Not you, but others on this thread posted smart ass comments to valid points rather than recognizing that techniques outside their small field of vision might actually work and you, unfortunately were the one I quoted when I responded in defense of these gentlemen.
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The problem here isnt with anyone having a small field of vision, believe me, the way Scott and I train is about as off the beaten path as it goes. The issue is with BEGINNERS clusterfucking an EXPERIENCED trainee’s article and seeing TYPICAL BEGINNER gains and assuming its because of their super badass clusterfuck and not the fact that they started training and eating like the meant it.

Another issue I have is when you have a 6’, 180 lb coathanger dispensing “expert” training advice and telling other people how well it worked for him. Especially when the advice is so outside of the scope of reality and reason that ANY trainee with ANY reasonable amount of experience would know that it was bs.

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[quote]Stronghold wrote:
mc_neumann wrote:
Scott M wrote:
mc_neumann wrote:
Scott M wrote:

…TYPICAL BEGINNER gains… super badass …[quote]

So, you admit my routine is super badass? Sweet

I have always trained like I meant it, my bench is 100lbs. more than I weigh and my squat is 2x my body weight.

For the three almost four years spent training I have been using techniques gleaned from the history books. The program on my computer has 700mb of training information. Yet I was stuck at MOTHER FXXX 180-185!!!

CT wrote an exemplary article that I tried, loved and moulded. Now I am all of a sudden making crazy gains.

My gains are due to moulding information provided by experienced writers on this site and switching to proper supplementation

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[quote]mc_neumann wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
mc_neumann wrote:
Scott M wrote:
mc_neumann wrote:
Scott M wrote:

…TYPICAL BEGINNER gains… super badass …

So, you admit my routine is super badass? Sweet

I have always trained like I meant it, my bench is 100lbs. more than I weigh and my squat is 2x my body weight.

For the three almost four years spent training I have been using techniques gleaned from the history books. The program on my computer has 700mb of training information. Yet I was stuck at MOTHER FXXX 180-185!!!

CT wrote an exemplary article that I tried, loved and moulded. Now I am all of a sudden making crazy gains.

My gains are due to moulding information provided by experienced writers on this site and switching to proper supplementation[/quote]

Only in your own mind.

If you havent been growing, you havent been eating and you havent been getting stronger. Period. Its as simple as that. Im sure that somewhere in that 700mb of training information was a solid program and that the issue wasnt with the information, but rather with the fact that you jumped from program to program on a regular basis, never worked on really pushing your numbers up, and acted like a pussy at the dinner table. Since when did the amount of training information saved on your computer affect the amount of experience or time spent training and eating properly? Any beginner can go save every training article he can find on the internet to his hard drive and the next day, he will still be a beginner who hasnt figured it out and applied it yet.

What kind of “crazy gains” are you making? Give us some numbers here. I dont really see much of a difference in those pictures, and especially not enough of one to qualify the sorts of statements you are making.

Sorry to bust your bubble, but you have not discovered the holy grail of training or devised the most effective mass building system ever, all youve done is made unqualified statements on a message board about a clusterfuck routine you came up with after reading someone else’s work and then posted undated pictures showing only marginal progress to support his claims.

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[quote]Stronghold wrote:
mc_neumann wrote:
Stronghold wrote:
mc_neumann wrote:
Scott M wrote:
mc_neumann wrote:
Scott M wrote:

…TYPICAL BEGINNER gains… super badass …

So, you admit my routine is super badass? Sweet

I have always trained like I meant it, my bench is 100lbs. more than I weigh and my squat is 2x my body weight.

For the three almost four years spent training I have been using techniques gleaned from the history books. The program on my computer has 700mb of training information. Yet I was stuck at MOTHER FXXX 180-185!!!

CT wrote an exemplary article that I tried, loved and moulded. Now I am all of a sudden making crazy gains.

My gains are due to moulding information provided by experienced writers on this site and switching to proper supplementation

Only in your own mind.

If you havent been growing, you havent been eating and you havent been getting stronger. Period. Its as simple as that. Im sure that somewhere in that 700mb of training information was a solid program and that the issue wasnt with the information, but rather with the fact that you jumped from program to program on a regular basis, never worked on really pushing your numbers up, and acted like a pussy at the dinner table. Since when did the amount of training information saved on your computer affect the amount of experience or time spent training and eating properly? Any beginner can go save every training article he can find on the internet to his hard drive and the next day, he will still be a beginner who hasnt figured it out and applied it yet.

What kind of “crazy gains” are you making? Give us some numbers here. I dont really see much of a difference in those pictures, and especially not enough of one to qualify the sorts of statements you are making.

Sorry to bust your bubble, but you have not discovered the holy grail of training or devised the most effective mass building system ever, all youve done is made unqualified statements on a message board about a clusterfuck routine you came up with after reading someone else’s work and then posted undated pictures showing only marginal progress to support his claims.[/quote]

Point taken, The first pic was taken on the 26th of January and the second was taken on the 13th of Feb. I started of with a 400 squat and 250 bench

Now, I did not say I found the ‘most effective mass building system ever’ as an all encompassing statement such as that would be ignorant.

I leave this damn desert on the 24th of Feb., before I leave I will post progress pics and max out. That is only four weeks when, correct me if I am wrong and I am sure you will, you are normally required to run six weeks with a program to benefit the most

CHALLENGE

If I do not show �??respectable�?? progress by the 24th I will admit to clusterfucking a well written article.

But

If I do show gains that are undisputable then you must admit my techniques, though unorthodox, are worth recognizing as an option.

Or are you scared to be called out by a �??beginner�??

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[quote]Stronghold wrote:
Wait wait. How does your body know that its JUST the bar? What if my bar is a little heavier and it weighs 50 lbs? Will this not work?

Seriously kid, I think you need to stop logging in and posting, and just stay logged out and do some reading, eating, and training. “Seperation” (separation) and “Defenition” (you mean definition, right?) come from two things: genetically determined shape of the muscle and low body fat.
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ditto.

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Hey just because you guys dont work off the calories you consume dont get mad at us diciplined low body fat guys who want to find new ways to bring out definition. Thats one thing thats really been getting at me. If you want to be fat, be fat but dont get mad at me about it cause im not.

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[quote]triple-10sets wrote:
Hey just because you guys dont work off the calories you consume dont get mad at us diciplined low body fat guys who want to find new ways to bring out definition. Thats one thing thats really been getting at me. If you want to be fat, be fat but dont get mad at me about it cause im not. [/quote]

LMAO

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[quote]triple-10sets wrote:
Hey just because you guys dont work off the calories you consume dont get mad at us diciplined low body fat guys who want to find new ways to bring out definition. Thats one thing thats really been getting at me. If you want to be fat, be fat but dont get mad at me about it cause im not. [/quote]

This can’t be your real personality.

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[quote]triple-10sets wrote:
Hey just because you guys dont work off the calories you consume dont get mad at us diciplined low body fat guys who want to find new ways to bring out definition. Thats one thing thats really been getting at me. If you want to be fat, be fat but dont get mad at me about it cause im not. [/quote]

Wait wait…so wanting to put on muscle in the absolute fastest way possible by eating 4000-5000 clean calories every day makes someone undisciplined?

No one is mad at your because youre not fat, theyre mad at you because youre a jackass and you waste our time.

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[quote]Scott M wrote:
triple-10sets wrote:
Hey just because you guys dont work off the calories you consume dont get mad at us diciplined low body fat guys who want to find new ways to bring out definition. Thats one thing thats really been getting at me. If you want to be fat, be fat but dont get mad at me about it cause im not.

This can’t be your real personality.[/quote]

I agree, its getting to the point where this can’t be real.