Hub is going to the doc in a month or so because of his low T problem. We haven’t had any tests done, but it doesn’t take much reading at T-mag to figure out the symptoms of low T. I need some input from you guys - I’m pretty sure the doc will tell him he has low T and suggest replacement therapy …how do we do this? I have heard that T-replacement will shut down his balls completely and we don’t want that but what choices do we have? When he goes on androsol he feels “normal” when he comes off he has very little drive and a very hard time putting on muscle no matter how much he eats. Tribex helps some. His symptoms are: Low libido, hard time gaining muscle, easy time gaining fat, lack of energy, slight depression. Androsol fixes all of this, but only temporarily. He’s a big guy with descent natural muscle and a large bone frame, but he has a very hard time putting more muscle on and can’t seem to get below 15-18% bodyfat. He is very disciplined with his diet and training, so something else must be an issue. Everything changed when he hit 27 - he’s 29 now. Stats are: 6’4, 245 appx 18% bf. Training history is 2 years. Someone tell us the right way to get this issue fixed. Bill,if you aren’t too busy, I’d appreciate your advice. One more thing - he came off andro a week ago, how long should we wait to go to the doc so we can get an accurate T/free T reading?
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Before you try anything too dramatic get him to try some vitex, there have been some pretty interesting results from forum readers,I have been using it for a short time and found a real increase in energy levels etc, it may be a short term fix but I’d give that a go anyway. You also mention “slight depression” could this be the cause of it all? without getting all “shrinky” on it this may be a bigger part of the prob than either of you realise.
Bill Roberts suggestion is to try things in
the following order: 1)Tribex + vitex and
see if that works. Those will kick the
hypothalmus into producing LH, which
stimulates the testes to make T. 2)If that
doesn’t work, get a script for clomid and see
if that works. Works via a similar method in
the hypothalmus. 3)If that doesn’t work, then
get a script for HCG. HCG bypasses the
hypothalmic function and works directly on the
testes in place of LH to stimulate the testes
to produce T. 4)If that doesn’t work, then
and only then resort to T replacement therapy.
Using options 1 or 2 will keep all the “parts”
working. Using option 3 will cause the
hypothalmus to not work properly, but at least
it will keep the testes working properly.
Option 4 will cause both the hypothalmus and
the testes to shut down. Hope that helps.
I wrote my previous post hastily and might
not have been clear. So just to clarify,
Tribex, clomid and vitex will keep both the
hypothalmus and pituitary working properly
as they are both involved in the release of
LH. Taking the HCG will cause the hypothalmus
and pituitary to shut down LHRH and LH production, but the testes will continue to
function normally. T replacement will cause
all three to stop functioning normally. Hope
that helps.
FX, (hope you don’t mind the abbreviation)
thanks for the summary, that is exactly
what I would have said. Hope it goes
well, Ironbabe!
Thanks free x and all - I will try those things…guess I need to go read all the vitex posts. Has there been an agreement on how much to take and which brands? I don’t wanna fool around with this - don’t wanna try the test replacement if we don’t have to.
And thank you for responding Bill, I know you are a busy man and everyone is vying for your time.
Have him try a diet by Rob Faigen titled “Natural Homonal Enhancement” It seems to work really well. Good luck you can get it at dragondoor dot com.