any one on HRT whether injections or gel double up or triple your dose to get your T levels way over the high normal end?
my question is,
besides the hyper aggression that comes with super high T, are there other neg side effects?
is there a point after which you stop seeing results no matter how much higher you T goes, if so what number?
thanks
You are talking about steroidal doses and in which case you should have posted in the STEROID forum.
But maybe you posted in here intentionally because you knew how bad you would get flamed in the Steroid forum for asking such a ridiculous question?
i thought i was asking an honest question.
High T levels do not cause aggression. You have been brainwashed by the media.
[quote]KSman wrote:
High T levels do not cause aggression. You have been brainwashed by the media.
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Not my experience. When I once was on 10 grams of Androgel for years on end with no problems, I knew something was wrong because over the course of several weeks, I acquired cystic acne on my back and my temper and emotionality was out of control. I’d lose my temper very quickly and even cried a few times for things that would otherwise not bother me much. I knew something was up. Lo and behold, I tested at an ABNORMAL 1,500 ng/dl. (Normal range is 300 to 1,000). Went back down to 7.5 grams and I was back to normal in DAYS.
Some of us get real irritable and aggressive with low T and injections make us much calmer and happier. Well ok that’s how it was for me.
[quote]Ruged wrote:
any one on HRT whether injections or gel double up or triple your dose to get your T levels way over the high normal end?
my question is,
besides the hyper aggression that comes with super high T, are there other neg side effects?
is there a point after which you stop seeing results no matter how much higher you T goes, if so what number?
thanks[/quote]
This is also a retarded idea because the pharmacy and doctor might give up working with the patient because they’d find out QUICKLY what you’re up to. If I doubled or tripled my dosage, I’d be done with it within 10 to 15 days, which means I wouldn’t be able to be prescribed my medication for another 2 to 3 weeks. You’d also test abnormally low or high for lab tests and you’re doc wouldn’t understand what the fuck you’re trying to do.
This is just a retarded idea.
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
[quote]KSman wrote:
High T levels do not cause aggression. You have been brainwashed by the media.
[/quote]
Not my experience. When I once was on 10 grams of Androgel for years on end with no problems, I knew something was wrong because over the course of several weeks, I acquired cystic acne on my back and my temper and emotionality was out of control. I’d lose my temper very quickly and even cried a few times for things that would otherwise not bother me much. I knew something was up. Lo and behold, I tested at an ABNORMAL 1,500 ng/dl. (Normal range is 300 to 1,000). Went back down to 7.5 grams and I was back to normal in DAYS. [/quote]
Years on end? Couple weeks? Temper or depression? Which is it? Make up your mind.
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
Not my experience. When I once was on 10 grams of Androgel for years on end with no problems, I knew something was wrong because over the course of several weeks, I acquired cystic acne on my back and my temper and emotionality was out of control. I’d lose my temper very quickly and even cried a few times for things that would otherwise not bother me much. I knew something was up. Lo and behold, I tested at an ABNORMAL 1,500 ng/dl. (Normal range is 300 to 1,000). Went back down to 7.5 grams and I was back to normal in DAYS. [/quote]
Why am I not surprised? You are aggressive at your best.
[quote]yorik wrote:
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
[quote]KSman wrote:
High T levels do not cause aggression. You have been brainwashed by the media.
[/quote]
Not my experience. When I once was on 10 grams of Androgel for years on end with no problems, I knew something was wrong because over the course of several weeks, I acquired cystic acne on my back and my temper and emotionality was out of control. I’d lose my temper very quickly and even cried a few times for things that would otherwise not bother me much. I knew something was up. Lo and behold, I tested at an ABNORMAL 1,500 ng/dl. (Normal range is 300 to 1,000). Went back down to 7.5 grams and I was back to normal in DAYS. [/quote]
Years on end? Couple weeks? Temper or depression? Which is it? Make up your mind.[/quote]
i think what he is trying to express is that after years of being steady, the same dose caused serious mood swings and acne, and when tested, he was found to be high T. What is curious is why it would all be great, then within a short period of time, go out of control. That doesn’t make much sense to me. In any event, it is good that it all worked out for Bricknyce.
I think what my reading shows is that more T makes a man more of what he already is. It cleans up things like depression symptoms, and lets a man be more what he naturally is. In other words, assholes become BIGGER assholes. And reasonable people feel better and stay sorta’ reasonable.
Of course I feel better at 700 to 1000 than I did when I was at 240.
1500 is a SUPRAPHYSIOLOGICAL level.
[quote]PDJD wrote:
[quote]yorik wrote:
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
[quote]KSman wrote:
High T levels do not cause aggression. You have been brainwashed by the media.
[/quote]
Not my experience. When I once was on 10 grams of Androgel for years on end with no problems, I knew something was wrong because over the course of several weeks, I acquired cystic acne on my back and my temper and emotionality was out of control. I’d lose my temper very quickly and even cried a few times for things that would otherwise not bother me much. I knew something was up. Lo and behold, I tested at an ABNORMAL 1,500 ng/dl. (Normal range is 300 to 1,000). Went back down to 7.5 grams and I was back to normal in DAYS. [/quote]
Years on end? Couple weeks? Temper or depression? Which is it? Make up your mind.[/quote]
i think what he is trying to express is that after years of being steady, the same dose caused serious mood swings and acne, and when tested, he was found to be high T. What is curious is why it would all be great, then within a short period of time, go out of control. That doesn’t make much sense to me. In any event, it is good that it all worked out for Bricknyce.
I think what my reading shows is that more T makes a man more of what he already is. It cleans up things like depression symptoms, and lets a man be more what he naturally is. In other words, assholes become BIGGER assholes. And reasonable people feel better and stay sorta’ reasonable.[/quote]
That’s exactly what I meant.
[quote]yorik wrote:
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
[quote]KSman wrote:
High T levels do not cause aggression. You have been brainwashed by the media.
[/quote]
Not my experience. When I once was on 10 grams of Androgel for years on end with no problems, I knew something was wrong because over the course of several weeks, I acquired cystic acne on my back and my temper and emotionality was out of control. I’d lose my temper very quickly and even cried a few times for things that would otherwise not bother me much. I knew something was up. Lo and behold, I tested at an ABNORMAL 1,500 ng/dl. (Normal range is 300 to 1,000). Went back down to 7.5 grams and I was back to normal in DAYS. [/quote]
Years on end? Couple weeks? Temper or depression? Which is it? Make up your mind.[/quote]
It was simply overemotionality one way or the other.
See how PDJD interpreted my writing.
I’m really surprised that no one took heed of the fact that 1,500 is supraphysiological, a level where side effects can occur.
[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
[quote]Ruged wrote:
any one on HRT whether injections or gel double up or triple your dose to get your T levels way over the high normal end?
my question is,
besides the hyper aggression that comes with super high T, are there other neg side effects?
is there a point after which you stop seeing results no matter how much higher you T goes, if so what number?
thanks[/quote]
Just use two docs. They both know what you’re up to but don’t say anything because they want the $$$$. Most docs are money hounds, so use that. They probably have had declining patient counts too, because of the Depression. Use that.
This is also a retarded idea because the pharmacy and doctor might give up working with the patient because they’d find out QUICKLY what you’re up to. If I doubled or tripled my dosage, I’d be done with it within 10 to 15 days, which means I wouldn’t be able to be prescribed my medication for another 2 to 3 weeks. You’d also test abnormally low or high for lab tests and you’re doc wouldn’t understand what the fuck you’re trying to do.
This is just a retarded idea. [/quote]
[quote]Rapt wrote:
Some of us get real irritable and aggressive with low T and injections make us much calmer and happier. Well ok that’s how it was for me.[/quote]
I’m calm and chipper provided that I’m in the clinically normal range - 300 to 100 ng/dl. I feel my best at 700 to 1000, so that’s where my doc keeps me at.
[quote]Headhunter wrote:
Just use two docs. They both know what you’re up to but don’t say anything because they want the $$$$. Most docs are money hounds, so use that. They probably have had declining patient counts too, because of the Depression. Use that.
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Competent pharmacists don’t allow patients to get a hold of too much medication.
Competent docs don’t put up with this sort of shit either when they see your blood work shows you’re in a supraphysiological range consistently.
[quote]PDJD wrote:
[quote]
What is curious is why it would all be great, then within a short period of time, go out of control. That doesn’t make much sense to me. [/quote]
We don’t know why that happened, and it serves as an example that 2 or 3 doctor visits per year is necessary. If everything was so easy to control, it would take one or two initial doctor visits and lab values and the same prescription forever - no need for followups.
Followups are necessary in in case that something does go wrong, adjustments can be made. Same goes for nutrition and fitness counseling.
Also, when I was at 1500, my LH and FSH were down to almost nothing. Now they’re regularly LOW NORMAL.
One should dose for high end FT or bio-T. SHBG-T is functionally inert. If one has more SHBG, one gets more TT. Some really good TRT docs do not check TT at all. If one gets high TT levels as a result of dosing T to achieve high end FT or bio-T… so what? And one needs to achieve youthful levels of FT or bio-T. Age adjusted levels are stupid as TRT targets.
When TRT is effective, LH and FSH are expectedly and normally track to zero. If there is one guy who reacts differently, that does not deserve any air time. Bricknyce is more interested in talking about his results than posting things that can be expected to help and not confuse others.