[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]jrl41090 wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Why would anyone serious about this design a program that only has them in the gym 3 days a week?
You look like a “fitness trainer” on 3 days a week. It takes more than that to reach the goal of many in this forum.[/quote]
Hey X,
I normally agree with you on many issues, but I have to say that empirical evidence itself disagrees with your above statement. While I don’t personally train only 3 days a week (and agree that the OP’s proposed “program” isn’t any good), there have been quite a few successful and massive bodybuilders who have built their body DCing, which is inherently a three days a week program. Minority? Maybe. But the goals of many on this forum could be reached using a 3 days a week template, if training variables are properly managed.
Just my $.02. [/quote]
There aren’t “quite a few”. There may be 2-3 top pros winning contests who train this way, one of them being David Henry who can’t seem to beat his only main competition (until Lee Priest returns) in the 202 class, Kevin English who does NOT train that way. I have nothing against DC training, but most of the biggest and best built bodies on the planet DID NOT TRAIN THAT WAY. If YOU have been able to build a body that causes people to talk simply because you walked in the room this way, I am very happy for you. However, it doesn’t seem to be happening that way.
There is a rather large difference between gaining “some muscle and strength” and reaching the level we are discussing here.
I don’t even have anything personal against HIT training, but when someone claims it works just as good or better than what built the most muscular bodies the world has seen to this point, it makes me wonder what is wrong with that person.
My opinion of DC training is that it can definitely work for some people (more specifically the most advanced lifters among us) but will get very few to the level of a pro bodybuilder or even serious npc competitor if they train that way from the start.
In fact, most of the people who rush to claim how well it works are not advanced enough to even be using it yet and are NOT huge themselves.
From what I have seen, most of the people who are able to reach a level of EXTREME DEVELOPMENT are in the gym upwards of 5 times a week on average.
Trying to point out outliers or exceptions to the rule as proof against this is ridiculous. There are ALWAYS outliers…and David Henry was relatively bigger (adjusting for height) than most here before he started using it.
Once again, we are NOT talking about just building SOME muscle. If no one is comparing how you look to the look of a silver-back gorilla, chances are, you are not at the level we are discussing.[/quote]
Exactly! I’ve been saying this for quite some time. Almost none of the successful bodybuilders use DC.
I don’t discredit the work of Dante Trudel at all, or any of the hardworking bodybuilders that follow his method. However, some of his followers compare every damn training program to DC and use it as a measuring stick for damn near everything - frequency, exercise selection, diet, and so on.
Many of the followers have a problem with exercises in which you can’t double or triple training poundages - which is about all isolation exercises. I actually find the DC system quite flawed. For example, instead of targeting a lagging muscle group with isolation exercises, they try to get around the matter by either using compound exercises that put more stress on the lagging muscle group or use exercises for DIFFERENT muscle groups that put more stress on the lagging muscle group. That’s not a bad approach, per se, but it probably won’t work for most people with lagging muscle groups.
I’ve heard some follows say in reference to some terrific exercises–like dips and chips–something akin to, “I’d nix the chins and dips; you can’t make huge weight jumps over time with them”. In regards to an exercise like flyes–an exercise that has helped tremendously with my pec growth, especially used for pre-exhaustion–something like, “We’re not into isolation exercises; you can’t add big weights to them over time”. I just don’t understand this reasoning; most top level bodybuilders wouldn’t have reached their level of development without isolation exercises.
DC trainees believe that their way is the fastest way to top-notch development, a belief I don’t even think its creators holds. I think they’re wrong.
Same goes for Scott Abel’s methods, except he actually believes his methods are the best ever created. He actually once wrote that Innervation Training is the “only total training methodology in the world”. I’m not kidding about that statement. I read it almost a decade ago.
I still predict there will never be an Olympia that uses the DC or Abel Body method.
