why does it seem that the argument regarding the effectiveness of direct/isolation work only come about when it pertains to arm training? i haven’t seen a thread on here about not training legs, calves, forearms, traps, back, chest and abs directly.
why are we continuing to have this debate time and time again?
[quote]Animal_Mother wrote:
why does it seem that the argument regarding the effectiveness of direct/isolation work only come about when it pertains to arm training? i haven’t seen a thread on here about not training legs, calves, forearms, traps, back, chest and abs directly.
why are we continuing to have this debate time and time again?
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Good question, and that whole thing has always amazed me.
a) Why do people think that arm-exercises behave differently from other exercises?
b) What the hell happened to bodybuilding? Outstanding arms used to be a bodybuilder’s hallmark. Sure, broad shoulders, a great back and thick legs are too, but when did arms go out of style? A certain poster (who has thankfully not posted in this thread yet, I believe) goes around and tells every beginner that he can find to stop doing curls if he wants to get strong. WHAT? X has touched on this already: Do people think that curling makes you weaker or something?
c) Why the fuck does everybody always talk about biceps and curls? No wonder people have small arms if they don’t even know that there is such a thing as the triceps, too.
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
c) Why the fuck does everybody always talk about biceps and curls? No wonder people have small arms if they don’t even know that there is such a thing as the triceps, too.
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That’s a really good point that I didn’t even think of until you mentioned it. I think since I’ve been on this forum I’ve seen maybe 2-3 threads on triceps and at least 30 on biceps. Odd considering most of the arm is made up by the triceps.
[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Animal_Mother wrote:
why does it seem that the argument regarding the effectiveness of direct/isolation work only come about when it pertains to arm training? i haven’t seen a thread on here about not training legs, calves, forearms, traps, back, chest and abs directly.
why are we continuing to have this debate time and time again?
Good question, and that whole thing has always amazed me.
a) Why do people think that arm-exercises behave differently from other exercises?
b) What the hell happened to bodybuilding? Outstanding arms used to be a bodybuilder’s hallmark. Sure, broad shoulders, a great back and thick legs are too, but when did arms go out of style?
A certain poster (who has thankfully not posted in this thread yet, I believe) goes around and tells every beginner that he can find to stop doing curls if he wants to get strong. WHAT? X has touched on this already: Do people think that curling makes you weaker or something?
c) Why the fuck does everybody always talk about biceps and curls? No wonder people have small arms if they don’t even know that there is such a thing as the triceps, too.
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c) is a good point. But in all fairness, the OP did explain that he had good triceps but wanted to know a better way to train bi’s.
[quote]Animal_Mother wrote:
why does it seem that the argument regarding the effectiveness of direct/isolation work only come about when it pertains to arm training? i haven’t seen a thread on here about not training legs, calves, forearms, traps, back, chest and abs directly.
why are we continuing to have this debate time and time again?
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Animal Mother, your name and avatar are bad ass!
All you need is for someone to throw hand grenades at you for the rest of your life.
[quote]MytchBucanan wrote:
Animal Mother, your name and avatar are bad ass!
All you need is for someone to throw hand grenades at you for the rest of your life.[/quote]
dodging live hand grenades is a staple in my HIT cardio program…
AirFalse,
do you know just how rare a 600 lb bench is?
Consider the raw bench record is 715 lbs. most won’t touch 600 yet alone 500 in their life time.
ditto for an 800 lb deadlift? equppied or otherwise, an 800 lb deadlift is insane.
I think you smoke crack rocks. Because alot of bb’ers have big arms but don’t aren’t as strong as you speak of.
If that was the case, all powerlifters would look like bodybuilders with big arms. Not the case.
Training the muscles directly makes those muscles bigger. Why is that so hard to comprehend?
[quote]MytchBucanan wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Animal_Mother wrote:
why does it seem that the argument regarding the effectiveness of direct/isolation work only come about when it pertains to arm training? i haven’t seen a thread on here about not training legs, calves, forearms, traps, back, chest and abs directly.
why are we continuing to have this debate time and time again?
Good question, and that whole thing has always amazed me.
a) Why do people think that arm-exercises behave differently from other exercises?
b) What the hell happened to bodybuilding? Outstanding arms used to be a bodybuilder’s hallmark. Sure, broad shoulders, a great back and thick legs are too, but when did arms go out of style?
A certain poster (who has thankfully not posted in this thread yet, I believe) goes around and tells every beginner that he can find to stop doing curls if he wants to get strong. WHAT? X has touched on this already: Do people think that curling makes you weaker or something?
c) Why the fuck does everybody always talk about biceps and curls? No wonder people have small arms if they don’t even know that there is such a thing as the triceps, too.
c) is a good point. But in all fairness, the OP did explain that he had good triceps but wanted to know a better way to train bi’s.[/quote]
True that! When I posted it was pertaining to getting bigger biceps. I said mine were about 17.5 inches and that my curling was weak (about 100 lbs.) Now that is weak I guess but I train them with super slow technique and no sway or heave ho.
Perhaps I should overload them and do cheat’s, but that never seemed to work in the past. I love to train arms. My buddy who won the his class at the south eastern states bb championship has really large ripped biceps and actually ho hums his way thru his bicep routine and will tell anyone who listens that his biceps are weak and laughs at the thought of going heavy to forgo the “feel.”
It appears (and I say this from many years of training and observation,) that you’ve either got a good bodypart or you do not! This is not saying a bodypart can’t be improved upon, but we all know some bodyparts take off, some get better with time, and some are just our nemesis.
My OP was just an attempt to shoot around some solid ideas not to cause an all out war. I can’t see the reasons for people to attack when the goal is most likely the same for all. For those of you with huge arms I say lucky you! For those of us struggling well we ply onward.
There should be no shame if you’re giving it your best and always keeping an open mind. Finally, I think it’s fair to say the “game” is alot different when training clean. (no saint here.)