[quote]Professor X wrote:
Also, I can not stress enough how much of a benefit I think it is to make sure that heavy training done in youth…is NOT stressing joints to any significant degree. That is one benefit of not being “extremely lean”…joint lubrication. [/quote]
Could you elaborate on that? How does that work? I wasn’t aware that joint lubrication had anything to do with bodyfat percentage and that it was a completely unrelated process.[/quote]
Body fat is even what allows nerve conduction. Those myelin sheeths that cover nerves are fat deposits…which is why no one could ever survive on “0% body fat”.
Extremely low body fat does more than just effect your looks. In someone who reaches contest levels of leanness there is less fat distributed in and around joints. This can increase the damage those joints take during training. Obviously that is a point of diminishing returns so no one is saying you need to be a high body fat percentage to avoid that…just not so lean it limits recovery.[/quote]
I agree that the body needs fats for many processes, but I was pretty sure that synovial fluid and cartilage were what “lubricated the joints”, not fat.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Also, I can not stress enough how much of a benefit I think it is to make sure that heavy training done in youth…is NOT stressing joints to any significant degree. That is one benefit of not being “extremely lean”…joint lubrication. [/quote]
Could you elaborate on that? How does that work? I wasn’t aware that joint lubrication had anything to do with bodyfat percentage and that it was a completely unrelated process.[/quote]
Body fat is even what allows nerve conduction. Those myelin sheeths that cover nerves are fat deposits…which is why no one could ever survive on “0% body fat”.
Extremely low body fat does more than just effect your looks. In someone who reaches contest levels of leanness there is less fat distributed in and around joints. This can increase the damage those joints take during training. Obviously that is a point of diminishing returns so no one is saying you need to be a high body fat percentage to avoid that…just not so lean it limits recovery.[/quote]
I agree that the body needs fats for many processes, but I was pretty sure that synovial fluid and cartilage were what “lubricated the joints”, not fat.[/quote]
Blood is also a “cushion” during training (which is why you should warm up)…and yes, there is fat around joints…just like there is fat around organs. There just isn’t a lot of it.
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
I really don’t understand how there can be any debate on this issue.
Whether you bulk slowly, or do the whole “see food” diet, eventually you will get to a level of bodyfat that is unacceptable. When that happens, you cut.[/quote]
My understanding with the “lean gains” approach is that you never really get to a point where you need to cut, unless you’re cutting for a competition.[/quote]
I really do hate the word “bulk” and “cut.”
IMO, “Cutting” shouldn’t be necessary unless you are prepping for a show.
“Cutting” implies an all out push for extensive fat loss.
That shouldn’t be necessary unless you A. Are prepping for a show and need to be 4-6% BF or B. You let your bodyfat level get out of hand.
Adjusting calories, cardio or the amount of work being done can pretty easily bring things back of you start to get loose and a all out “cut” isn’t necessary.
I just hate that word and what it implies.
Most people, IMO, won’t/shouldn’t need to actually “cut”[/quote]
[quote]rds63799 wrote:
I really don’t understand how there can be any debate on this issue.
Whether you bulk slowly, or do the whole “see food” diet, eventually you will get to a level of bodyfat that is unacceptable. When that happens, you cut.[/quote]
My understanding with the “lean gains” approach is that you never really get to a point where you need to cut, unless you’re cutting for a competition.[/quote]
I really do hate the word “bulk” and “cut.”
IMO, “Cutting” shouldn’t be necessary unless you are prepping for a show.
“Cutting” implies an all out push for extensive fat loss.
That shouldn’t be necessary unless you A. Are prepping for a show and need to be 4-6% BF or B. You let your bodyfat level get out of hand.
Adjusting calories, cardio or the amount of work being done can pretty easily bring things back of you start to get loose and a all out “cut” isn’t necessary.
I just hate that word and what it implies.
Most people, IMO, won’t/shouldn’t need to actually “cut”[/quote]
I agree with that. Let me rephrase.
Gotcha.
I think we agree.
The lean gainz approach is about adding lots of muscle with minimal fat.
Minimal fat =/= no fat
Fat gain will still accumulate but the goal is to keep it to a minimum.
When the fat gain gets to be too much you tighten things up, not an all out “cut”
Tightening up would be: slightly reducing calories, increasing cardio, increasing volume, or any combination of those.
Everyone doesn’t gain muscle optimally without ever needing to cut…[/quote]
I agree. Even if you do lean gains , eventually you’re going to have to go on a cut weather it be sooner or later. By saying you don’t you’re implying that you’ve gained all of your muscle at the same bodyfat lvl.
Everyone doesn’t gain muscle optimally without ever needing to cut…[/quote]
I agree. Even if you do lean gains , eventually you’re going to have to go on a cut weather it be sooner or later. By saying you don’t you’re implying that you’ve gained all of your muscle at the same bodyfat lvl.[/quote]
Which is a VARIABLE that no one could know ahead of time.
When the fat gain gets to be too much you tighten things up, not an all out “cut”
Tightening up would be: slightly reducing calories, increasing cardio, increasing volume, or any combination of those.[/quote]
Question…if fat gain became too much…but you were gaining muscle at a fast rate…would you still diet because of the fat gain? Or would you continue to gain more muscle since your body is in an anabolic state?
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Assuming the StepMill is that rotating staircase…that thing is a BITCH.
[/quote]
Yes. That one.
It is the favored weapon of the Lean Empire.
It beckons me. I both love it and shun it. It’s a complicated relationship.
[/quote]
FUCK THAT THING…no way to take any kind of break.
even on super slow, and then I feel like I am being judged by the hot girl behind me on the elliptical.[/quote]
Can’t do it. Too much calf/tibialis pump 3 min in[/quote]
You have to build up to it.
Ever get crazy calf pumps when you first started incline treadmilling?[/quote]
No I get them on flat land walking into class. I haven’t been on a tread mill in 2 months Becuase of pumps. Elyptical all the way[/quote]
Are the pumps painful?
Do they cause numbness and tingling in your feet or toes?
Do you lose flexion and extension ROM in your foot when you get the pumps?
[/quote]
Just pain. No other problems. Like I need to sit down for 10 min for them to go away. I can see my tibialis anterior protruding lol
[quote]TheDon12:
I agree. Even if you do lean gains , eventually you’re going to have to go on a cut weather it be sooner or later. By saying you don’t you’re implying that you’ve gained all of your muscle at the same bodyfat lvl.[/quote]
If you gain 25 pounds and stay at te same bodyfat level you did not gain muscle only.
Even if you gain some additional bodyfat a “cut” isn’t necessary.
“Cut” is such a stupid phrase.
When the fat gain gets to be too much you tighten things up, not an all out “cut”
Tightening up would be: slightly reducing calories, increasing cardio, increasing volume, or any combination of those.[/quote]
Question…if fat gain became too much…but you were gaining muscle at a fast rate…would you still diet because of the fat gain? Or would you continue to gain more muscle since your body is in an anabolic state?[/quote]
Not sm but from personal experience I cut. In fact that’s what I am doing now. Was gaining well but waist got to big for my liking. So cut time. This wil only leave me In a better spot to start gaining from again. Hormones will be netter body will respond better. I will feel better ect ect
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Assuming the StepMill is that rotating staircase…that thing is a BITCH.
[/quote]
Yes. That one.
It is the favored weapon of the Lean Empire.
It beckons me. I both love it and shun it. It’s a complicated relationship.
[/quote]
FUCK THAT THING…no way to take any kind of break.
even on super slow, and then I feel like I am being judged by the hot girl behind me on the elliptical.[/quote]
Can’t do it. Too much calf/tibialis pump 3 min in[/quote]
You have to build up to it.
Ever get crazy calf pumps when you first started incline treadmilling?[/quote]
No I get them on flat land walking into class. I haven’t been on a tread mill in 2 months Becuase of pumps. Elyptical all the way[/quote]
Are the pumps painful?
Do they cause numbness and tingling in your feet or toes?
Do you lose flexion and extension ROM in your foot when you get the pumps?
[/quote]
Just pain. No other problems. Like I need to sit down for 10 min for them to go away. I can see my tibialis anterior protruding lol[/quote]
Have you ever looked into exertional compartment syndrome/exercise-induced compartment syndrome?
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Assuming the StepMill is that rotating staircase…that thing is a BITCH.
[/quote]
Yes. That one.
It is the favored weapon of the Lean Empire.
It beckons me. I both love it and shun it. It’s a complicated relationship.
[/quote]
FUCK THAT THING…no way to take any kind of break.
even on super slow, and then I feel like I am being judged by the hot girl behind me on the elliptical.[/quote]
Can’t do it. Too much calf/tibialis pump 3 min in[/quote]
You have to build up to it.
Ever get crazy calf pumps when you first started incline treadmilling?[/quote]
No I get them on flat land walking into class. I haven’t been on a tread mill in 2 months Becuase of pumps. Elyptical all the way[/quote]
Are the pumps painful?
Do they cause numbness and tingling in your feet or toes?
Do you lose flexion and extension ROM in your foot when you get the pumps?
[/quote]
Do homeless women comment on your calves? If not, you’re not doing it right.
(Srry. Inside joke).
[/quote]
The homeless ladies in your new town…DO NOT EVEN KNOW WHAT IS COMING.
[quote]TheDon12:
I agree. Even if you do lean gains , eventually you’re going to have to go on a cut weather it be sooner or later. By saying you don’t you’re implying that you’ve gained all of your muscle at the same bodyfat lvl.[/quote]
If you gain 25 pounds and stay at te same bodyfat level you did not gain muscle only.
Even if you gain some additional bodyfat a “cut” isn’t necessary.
“Cut” is such a stupid phrase.[/quote]
I still use it because all I know are extremes when it comes to dieting. I have no middle ground. Hence why I am down 9 lbs from last tue even though I ate a lot over the weekend
[quote]TheDon12:
I agree. Even if you do lean gains , eventually you’re going to have to go on a cut weather it be sooner or later. By saying you don’t you’re implying that you’ve gained all of your muscle at the same bodyfat lvl.[/quote]
If you gain 25 pounds and stay at te same bodyfat level you did not gain muscle only.
Even if you gain some additional bodyfat a “cut” isn’t necessary.
“Cut” is such a stupid phrase.[/quote]
When people say cut i think of losing fat. Even if its 2-3 levels of bodyfat .
When the fat gain gets to be too much you tighten things up, not an all out “cut”
Tightening up would be: slightly reducing calories, increasing cardio, increasing volume, or any combination of those.[/quote]
Question…if fat gain became too much…but you were gaining muscle at a fast rate…would you still diet because of the fat gain? Or would you continue to gain more muscle since your body is in an anabolic state?[/quote]
Not sm but from personal experience I cut. In fact that’s what I am doing now. Was gaining well but waist got to big for my liking. So cut time. This wil only leave me In a better spot to start gaining from again. Hormones will be netter body will respond better. I will feel better ect ect[/quote]
That is great that you feel better. That is good.
Do you understand that your body will not grow in a predictable cyclical pattern and that the one who takes advantage of when IT is ready to grow will make more progress in the long run than someone who uses that time to lose weight instead?
[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Assuming the StepMill is that rotating staircase…that thing is a BITCH.
[/quote]
Yes. That one.
It is the favored weapon of the Lean Empire.
It beckons me. I both love it and shun it. It’s a complicated relationship.
[/quote]
FUCK THAT THING…no way to take any kind of break.
even on super slow, and then I feel like I am being judged by the hot girl behind me on the elliptical.[/quote]
Can’t do it. Too much calf/tibialis pump 3 min in[/quote]
You have to build up to it.
Ever get crazy calf pumps when you first started incline treadmilling?[/quote]
No I get them on flat land walking into class. I haven’t been on a tread mill in 2 months Becuase of pumps. Elyptical all the way[/quote]
Are the pumps painful?
Do they cause numbness and tingling in your feet or toes?
Do you lose flexion and extension ROM in your foot when you get the pumps?
[/quote]
Just pain. No other problems. Like I need to sit down for 10 min for them to go away. I can see my tibialis anterior protruding lol[/quote]
Have you ever looked into exertional compartment syndrome/exercise-induced compartment syndrome?[/quote]
Learned about it in school. I have none of the accompanying symptoms. But it’s interesting
[quote]TheDon12:
I agree. Even if you do lean gains , eventually you’re going to have to go on a cut weather it be sooner or later. By saying you don’t you’re implying that you’ve gained all of your muscle at the same bodyfat lvl.[/quote]
If you gain 25 pounds and stay at te same bodyfat level you did not gain muscle only.
Even if you gain some additional bodyfat a “cut” isn’t necessary.
“Cut” is such a stupid phrase.[/quote]
When people say cut i think of losing fat. Even if its 2-3 levels of bodyfat . [/quote]
Well, so far, the only benefit I see to “intentionally carrying extra weight for a period of time, before losing it”, is that theory of greater bodyweight → increased bone density → greater muscular growth.
If one person takes a lean gains approach to their diet and ends up at 12% bodyfat in the end, and another takes a “bulk and cut” (i.e, bulk and diet back down) approach to end up at 12% bodyfat in the end… that bone density theory is the only explanation I have for the 2nd person having more muscle than the first.