How to 'Bulk' For Naturals

Training
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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Ironfreak wrote:
Now, the actual ‘bulking’ method itself…

I believe a natural should bulk according to his strength and workout levels.

During his beginning days, he should not bulk aggressively. He should just focus on eating good clean foods, while focusing on steady strength increases. As his volume & strength continue to increase, as should his volume of food. Someone who is struggling to get in a hour of heavy lifting should not be bulking off of 4K calories, while someone can go hard & heavy for 2 hours most likely would need a lot more calories just due to the amount burned off in the gym.

As long as strength gains are being made, the bulk should continue. Now obviously eating 6K calories would lead to strength gains, but way too much unnecessary fat, so nobody is saying to do this. You should be eating enough to continue to make strength & volume gains.

Once you feel you are getting too soft (entirely individual - and which should happen over a period of time - you will not get fat overnight - nor will you make strength gains overnight - so both must go hand in hand) you follow the BlueCollarTr8n method, which I picked up in the midst of this clusterfuck shitstorm (thank-you). Back off the calories (a drastic cut should not be necessary - if done properly). I believe this is what Prof also calls ‘damage control’. Back off the calories, while continuing to attempt to increase strength & volume etc. Maybe throw in a bit more cardio. You choose the agressiveness of this temproary ‘damage control’. This should prevent much ‘muscle loss’ which happens in extreme diets, while continuing to allow you to make gains. [/quote]

Once again, good post and thank you for keeping this thread on topic.[/quote]

Like you using Bauber as an example in a NATTY bulking thread…good one.

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[quote]UtahLama wrote:

I just don’t believe you need to lose abs to get big and strong…some disagree with me on that regard, no harm no foul.[/quote]

Who has written that you can’t get big and strong while staying lean?

I have seen no one say this here.

[quote]

But simply saying that you cannot “bulk” and still stay reasonably lean is silly to me.[/quote]

No one said this.

WTF?

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[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Or 100% accurate…

Yea I’m gonna go with that.[/quote]

I can say this…some of you MUST feel threatened to keep this up this long.

Let me know when you want to discuss the actual topic.

I see you are busy trolling right now so you may be pre-occupied.[/quote]

LOL

Dodge, evade, obscure…you are a professional evader I’ll give you that.

He called you on your bullshit, I agreed…that is not trolling hommie.[/quote]

LOL!!!

He called me on my bullshit?

This discussion is about bulking…not what any one of you feels about me.

That is all some of you talk about…so clearly it makes you look desperate because if I was writing bad info, it would be easy to just focus on the discussion.

You can’t keep up with me there…so you stay on this level.

Cute.[/quote]
We’re all bulking our egos. Feelsgoodman.[/quote]

Leggo my ego.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

Because bulking and cutting while assisted is completely different than a natty doing the same thing.

Try and stay on the topic of the thread.[/quote]

This is incorrect.

[/quote]

If you believe that being assisted does not change the rules for a bulk…then I fear for our dental educational system.

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[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

Because bulking and cutting while assisted is completely different than a natty doing the same thing.

Try and stay on the topic of the thread.[/quote]

This is incorrect.

[/quote]

If you believe that being assisted does not change the rules for a bulk…then I fear for our dental educational system.
[/quote]

Hilarious cutting out the main post.

Here:
During cutting you will see increased muscle retention when dieting with steroid use.

It would have zero effect on the basic concept of trying to gain as much muscle as possible.

if you gained too much fat that indicates a need for a change in diet.

That should clear it up for you.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

I just don’t believe you need to lose abs to get big and strong…some disagree with me on that regard, no harm no foul.[/quote]

Who has written that you can’t get big and strong while staying lean?

I have seen no one say this here.

[quote]

But simply saying that you cannot “bulk” and still stay reasonably lean is silly to me.[/quote]

No one said this.

WTF?[/quote]

You have said many times that the only way to get to your maximum HOOGENESS is to let go of your abs and bulk up.

??? For the record I like it more when you put your question marks in front of every statement, it fits you better.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

Because bulking and cutting while assisted is completely different than a natty doing the same thing.

Try and stay on the topic of the thread.[/quote]

This is incorrect.

[/quote]

If you believe that being assisted does not change the rules for a bulk…then I fear for our dental educational system.
[/quote]

It would have zero effect on the basic concept of trying to gain as much muscle as possible.

[/quote]

If you think that being assisted has zero effect on the basic concept of gaining muscle…I fear for our dental education system.

Better?

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[quote]super saiyan wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Or 100% accurate…

Yea I’m gonna go with that.[/quote]

I can say this…some of you MUST feel threatened to keep this up this long.

Let me know when you want to discuss the actual topic.

I see you are busy trolling right now so you may be pre-occupied.[/quote]

LOL

Dodge, evade, obscure…you are a professional evader I’ll give you that.

He called you on your bullshit, I agreed…that is not trolling hommie.[/quote]

LOL!!!

He called me on my bullshit?

This discussion is about bulking…not what any one of you feels about me.

That is all some of you talk about…so clearly it makes you look desperate because if I was writing bad info, it would be easy to just focus on the discussion.

You can’t keep up with me there…so you stay on this level.

Cute.[/quote]
We’re all bulking our egos. Feelsgoodman.[/quote]

Leggo my ego.[/quote]
You merely adopted the syrup. I was born in it.

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[quote]UtahLama wrote:

You have said many times that the only way to get to your maximum HOOGENESS is to let go of your abs and bulk up.[/quote]

Bullshit.

Show me where I wrote this and then we can talk. I always write that this is up[ to the individual…not the shit you wrote.

[quote]

??? For the record I like it more when you put your question marks in front of every statement, it fits you better.[/quote]

Yeah, and this has nothing to do with anything.

You are really bad at this.

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[quote]UtahLama wrote:

If you think that being assisted has zero effect on the basic concept of gaining muscle…I fear for our dental education system.

Better?
[/quote]

Steroids do not change the genetics of the individual…so what are you talking about here?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

If you think that being assisted has zero effect on the basic concept of gaining muscle…I fear for our dental education system.

Better?
[/quote]

Steroids do not change the genetics of the individual…so what are you talking about here?[/quote]
I think he’s referring to metabolic limitations

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[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]super saiyan wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Or 100% accurate…

Yea I’m gonna go with that.[/quote]

I can say this…some of you MUST feel threatened to keep this up this long.

Let me know when you want to discuss the actual topic.

I see you are busy trolling right now so you may be pre-occupied.[/quote]

LOL

Dodge, evade, obscure…you are a professional evader I’ll give you that.

He called you on your bullshit, I agreed…that is not trolling hommie.[/quote]

LOL!!!

He called me on my bullshit?

This discussion is about bulking…not what any one of you feels about me.

That is all some of you talk about…so clearly it makes you look desperate because if I was writing bad info, it would be easy to just focus on the discussion.

You can’t keep up with me there…so you stay on this level.

Cute.[/quote]
We’re all bulking our egos. Feelsgoodman.[/quote]

Leggo my ego.[/quote]
You merely adopted the syrup. I was born in it.[/quote]

I’m the breakfast permabulkers deserve, but not the one they need right now.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

If you think that being assisted has zero effect on the basic concept of gaining muscle…I fear for our dental education system.

Better?
[/quote]

Steroids do not change the genetics of the individual…so what are you talking about here?[/quote]

LOL

I cannot do this with a straight face, hopefully somebody else will help you along.

Edit: Sparty did.

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[quote]spar4tee wrote:
You merely adopted the syrup. I was born in it.[/quote]

lol

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[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

If you think that being assisted has zero effect on the basic concept of gaining muscle…I fear for our dental education system.

Better?
[/quote]

Steroids do not change the genetics of the individual…so what are you talking about here?[/quote]
I think he’s referring to metabolic limitations[/quote]

Limits? Interesting. We should start a thread.

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[quote]super saiyan wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

If you think that being assisted has zero effect on the basic concept of gaining muscle…I fear for our dental education system.

Better?
[/quote]

Steroids do not change the genetics of the individual…so what are you talking about here?[/quote]
I think he’s referring to metabolic limitations[/quote]

Limits? Interesting. We should start a thread.[/quote]
I seent it before it happened. I swearz.

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[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

If you think that being assisted has zero effect on the basic concept of gaining muscle…I fear for our dental education system.

Better?
[/quote]

Steroids do not change the genetics of the individual…so what are you talking about here?[/quote]
I think he’s referring to metabolic limitations[/quote]

This would be genetic.

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[quote]super saiyan wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

If you think that being assisted has zero effect on the basic concept of gaining muscle…I fear for our dental education system.

Better?
[/quote]

Steroids do not change the genetics of the individual…so what are you talking about here?[/quote]
I think he’s referring to metabolic limitations[/quote]

Limits? Interesting. We should start a thread.[/quote]

I think we have established that there are none…now that we know that steroids do not change how you should diet and train, THE WORLD IS OUR OYSTER.

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Now, for all the people who will ‘nitpick’ (no offence to most on this thread, but I do swear most try their hardest to find something to criticize which is why we have many problems with what is just really semantics) what I just wrote…

Is this the best method? I will admit, no. The best method is to count calories, increase a few hundred when progress stalls, find your sweet spot, measure each calorie that goes into your mouth, and make the necessary adjustments.

But how many people actually do this in real life. You can sit here and tell me how easy it is to prepare your food the night prior, etc., but most people just don’t want to do this. Some just like to eat a few servings of mama’s soul food, or whatever is being served at their school or work cafeteria. Therefore knowing your body and how much you’re eating and a general understanding of how food affects you is best for those in this scenario.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

If you think that being assisted has zero effect on the basic concept of gaining muscle…I fear for our dental education system.

Better?
[/quote]

Steroids do not change the genetics of the individual…so what are you talking about here?[/quote]
I think he’s referring to metabolic limitations[/quote]

This would be genetic.[/quote]
What wouldn’t be?