How to 'Bulk' For Naturals

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Or 100% accurate…

Yea I’m gonna go with that.[/quote]

I can say this…some of you MUST feel threatened to keep this up this long.

Let me know when you want to discuss the actual topic.

I see you are busy trolling right now so you may be pre-occupied.[/quote]

LOL

Dodge, evade, obscure…you are a professional evader I’ll give you that.

He called you on your bullshit, I agreed…that is not trolling hommie.[/quote]

He called me on my bullshit?

[/quote]

Yep and it was 100% accurate…hence my 100% accurate post.

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[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Or 100% accurate…

Yea I’m gonna go with that.[/quote]

I can say this…some of you MUST feel threatened to keep this up this long.

Let me know when you want to discuss the actual topic.

I see you are busy trolling right now so you may be pre-occupied.[/quote]

LOL

Dodge, evade, obscure…you are a professional evader I’ll give you that.

He called you on your bullshit, I agreed…that is not trolling hommie.[/quote]

He called me on my bullshit?

[/quote]

Yep and it was 100% accurate…hence my 100% accurate post.

[/quote]

This discussion is about bulking…not what any one of you feels about me.

That is all some of you talk about…so clearly it makes you look desperate because if I was writing bad info, it would be easy to just focus on the discussion.

You can’t keep up with me there…so you stay on this level.

Cute.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]spar4tee wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Or 100% accurate…

Yea I’m gonna go with that.[/quote]

I can say this…some of you MUST feel threatened to keep this up this long.

Let me know when you want to discuss the actual topic.

I see you are busy trolling right now so you may be pre-occupied.[/quote]

LOL

Dodge, evade, obscure…you are a professional evader I’ll give you that.

He called you on your bullshit, I agreed…that is not trolling hommie.[/quote]

LOL!!!

He called me on my bullshit?

This discussion is about bulking…not what any one of you feels about me.

That is all some of you talk about…so clearly it makes you look desperate because if I was writing bad info, it would be easy to just focus on the discussion.

You can’t keep up with me there…so you stay on this level.

Cute.[/quote]
We’re all bulking our egos. Feelsgoodman.[/quote]

Apparently.

Glad you feel honor in destroying entire topics to keep this up.

Have fun.[/quote]
This forum is now on a cut then, I presume.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:
Or 100% accurate…

Yea I’m gonna go with that.[/quote]

I can say this…some of you MUST feel threatened to keep this up this long.

Let me know when you want to discuss the actual topic.

I see you are busy trolling right now so you may be pre-occupied.[/quote]

LOL

Dodge, evade, obscure…you are a professional evader I’ll give you that.

He called you on your bullshit, I agreed…that is not trolling hommie.[/quote]

He called me on my bullshit?

[/quote]

Yep and it was 100% accurate…hence my 100% accurate post.

[/quote]

This discussion is about bulking…

if I was writing bad info, it would be easy to just focus on the discussion.

[/quote]

Thats the point, you don’t give any specific advice…except to say “don’t get as fat as I did…even though you will never get HOOGE unless you put on a bunch of bodyfat”

HORSE-shit

Nattys don’t need to put on a bunch of usless weight to gain muscle…that’s just an excuse, because you know if you ever leaned down you would see how pointless it was for you to get fat.

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How I believe a natural should bulk…

Truthfully, I believe Professor X’s method in combination with BlueCollarTr8n’s method is best for a natural to “Bulk”, especially one who is trying to put on as much muscle as possible.

The truth is, other than the most dedicated of weightlifters (mostly only found on websites like these & very rare in real life), will never count calories, nor care to. Every gym rat I?ve ever talked to and asked q?s on how to gain weight, will say eat as much REAL FOOD as possible, and lift as heavy as possible. None will go into calories. I’ve seen way too many weightlifters take the ‘slow & steady’ approach to bulking and fail. Progress is too slow and incremental. Besides, it’s very difficult to overeat when eating REAL “CLEAN” FOOD. Especially for a noob with a raging metabolism and an ectomorph type frame.

This noob should eat as much as possible, while attempting to gain as much strength as possible. He will develop a natural ability to learn what amounts of food he must eat which will result in both weight & strength gain. Changes will be made as progress is made. Breakfast will gradually increase from 3 eggs to 4, then to 5, then to 6, as his body weight, strength, & appetite increases. Lunch can increase from a smaller plate of protein & carbs, to a bigger plate, etc.

Nobody is saying to bulk off pizza and ice-cream. It is very difficult to eat 4K calories of ‘CLEAN’ food aka eggs, rice, potatoes, chicken, beef, etc. The common theme in these forums is people who OVERBULK and now have fat to lose, but at least they gained the muscle. When I look around the numerous gyms I visit, I see more people who are unable to gain weight, rather than those who are gaining too much.

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[quote]UtahLama wrote:

Thats the point, you don’t give any specific advice…except to say “don’t get as fat as I did…even though you will never get HOOGE unless you put on a bunch of bodyfat”
[/quote]

This hasn’t been written by me anywhere. That is why you need to stick with quotes.

It gets tired and played out being told that I said this and that with words changed every so slightly.

What does this have to do with anything written here?

Where have I written that “nattys need to gain a bunch of useless weight”?

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[quote]Ironfreak wrote:
How I believe a natural should bulk…

Truthfully, I believe Professor X’s method in combination with BlueCollarTr8n’s method is best for a natural to “Bulk”, especially one who is trying to put on as much muscle as possible.

The truth is, other than the most dedicated of weightlifters (mostly only found on websites like these & very rare in real life), will never count calories, nor care to. Every gym rat I?ve ever talked to and asked q?s on how to gain weight, will say eat as much REAL FOOD as possible, and lift as heavy as possible. None will go into calories. I’ve seen way too many weightlifters take the ‘slow & steady’ approach to bulking and fail. Progress is too slow and incremental. Besides, it’s very difficult to overeat when eating REAL “CLEAN” FOOD. Especially for a noob with a raging metabolism and an ectomorph type frame.

This noob should eat as much as possible, while attempting to gain as much strength as possible. He will develop a natural ability to learn what amounts of food he must eat which will result in both weight & strength gain. Changes will be made as progress is made. Breakfast will gradually increase from 3 eggs to 4, then to 5, then to 6, as his body weight, strength, & appetite increases. Lunch can increase from a smaller plate of protein & carbs, to a bigger plate, etc.

Nobody is saying to bulk off pizza and ice-cream. It is very difficult to eat 4K calories of ‘CLEAN’ food aka eggs, rice, potatoes, chicken, beef, etc. The common theme in these forums is people who OVERBULK and now have fat to lose, but at least they gained the muscle. When I look around the numerous gyms I visit, I see more people who are unable to gain weight, rather than those who are gaining too much.
[/quote]

Thank you.

Maybe if they stopped trying to fight me personally this would sink in.

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[quote]Ironfreak wrote:

Nobody is saying to bulk off pizza and ice-cream. It is very difficult to eat 4K calories of ‘CLEAN’ food aka eggs, rice, potatoes, chicken, beef, etc. The common theme in these forums is people who OVERBULK and now have fat to lose, but at least they gained the muscle. When I look around the numerous gyms I visit, I see more people who are unable to gain weight, rather than those who are gaining too much.
[/quote]

At least they gained the muscle?

Most of the guys who overbulked (DoubleDuce as an example) said it was extremely counterproductive, and they did not see any benefit from the fattening.

Most of the kids who say thy cannot gain weight, simply don’t try all that hard.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

Thats the point, you don’t give any specific advice…except to say “don’t get as fat as I did…even though you will never get HOOGE unless you put on a bunch of bodyfat”
[/quote]

This hasn’t been written by me anywhere.
[/quote]

Sure you have, you always caveat your bulking statements with “don’t get as fat as I did” while you post pics in the dark of you at 300lbs saying it was the key to your gainz"

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[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]Ironfreak wrote:

Nobody is saying to bulk off pizza and ice-cream. It is very difficult to eat 4K calories of ‘CLEAN’ food aka eggs, rice, potatoes, chicken, beef, etc. The common theme in these forums is people who OVERBULK and now have fat to lose, but at least they gained the muscle. When I look around the numerous gyms I visit, I see more people who are unable to gain weight, rather than those who are gaining too much.
[/quote]

At least they gained the muscle?

Most of the guys who overbulked (DoubleDuce as an example) said it was extremely counterproductive, and they did not see any benefit from the fattening.

Most of the kids who say thy cannot gain weight, simply don’t try all that hard.

[/quote]

Most?

LOL.

One poster now represents most people who lift in the world?

maybe he did it wrong.

I didn’t…so it helped.

It seems it is working great for Bauber too.

Maybe the guys you speak of have slow metabolisms or ate wrong…in which case you blame THE GUYS.

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[quote]UtahLama wrote:

Sure you have, you always caveat your bulking statements with “don’t get as fat as I did” while you post pics in the dark of you at 300lbs saying it was the key to your gainz" [/quote]

WTF? I haven’t posted a shirtless pic of me at 300lbs…so why are you lying?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]Ironfreak wrote:

Nobody is saying to bulk off pizza and ice-cream. It is very difficult to eat 4K calories of ‘CLEAN’ food aka eggs, rice, potatoes, chicken, beef, etc. The common theme in these forums is people who OVERBULK and now have fat to lose, but at least they gained the muscle. When I look around the numerous gyms I visit, I see more people who are unable to gain weight, rather than those who are gaining too much.
[/quote]

At least they gained the muscle?

Most of the guys who overbulked (DoubleDuce as an example) said it was extremely counterproductive, and they did not see any benefit from the fattening.

Most of the kids who say thy cannot gain weight, simply don’t try all that hard.

[/quote]

Most?

It seems it is working great for Bauber too.

[/quote]

I used DD as an example.

Bauber is heavily assisted…but you already knew that.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

Sure you have, you always caveat your bulking statements with “don’t get as fat as I did” while you post pics in the dark of you at 300lbs saying it was the key to your gainz" [/quote]

WTF? I haven’t posted a shirtless pic of me at 300lbs…so why are you lying?[/quote]

The one of you in the dark standing in front of the window…where you said “me at 300lbs” was not you at 300lbs?

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[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]Ironfreak wrote:

Nobody is saying to bulk off pizza and ice-cream. It is very difficult to eat 4K calories of ‘CLEAN’ food aka eggs, rice, potatoes, chicken, beef, etc. The common theme in these forums is people who OVERBULK and now have fat to lose, but at least they gained the muscle. When I look around the numerous gyms I visit, I see more people who are unable to gain weight, rather than those who are gaining too much.
[/quote]

At least they gained the muscle?

Most of the guys who overbulked (DoubleDuce as an example) said it was extremely counterproductive, and they did not see any benefit from the fattening.

Most of the kids who say thy cannot gain weight, simply don’t try all that hard.

[/quote]

Most?

It seems it is working great for Bauber too.

[/quote]

I used DD as an example.

Bauber is heavily assisted…but you already knew that.[/quote]

WTF?

YOUR RESULTS DICTATE WHAT YOU DO…so who the fuck cares if he is assisted?

He gained enough muscle to justify any fat gain…just like I did.

Use of steroids has shit to do with that.

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[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

Sure you have, you always caveat your bulking statements with “don’t get as fat as I did” while you post pics in the dark of you at 300lbs saying it was the key to your gainz" [/quote]

WTF? I haven’t posted a shirtless pic of me at 300lbs…so why are you lying?[/quote]

The one of you in the dark standing in front of the window…where you said “me at 300lbs” was not you at 300lbs?[/quote]

You are very bad with your memory of what I write.

I never said I was 300lbs in that picture. You are just really bad at this.

…just like you are with staying on topic.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]UtahLama wrote:

[quote]Ironfreak wrote:

Nobody is saying to bulk off pizza and ice-cream. It is very difficult to eat 4K calories of ‘CLEAN’ food aka eggs, rice, potatoes, chicken, beef, etc. The common theme in these forums is people who OVERBULK and now have fat to lose, but at least they gained the muscle. When I look around the numerous gyms I visit, I see more people who are unable to gain weight, rather than those who are gaining too much.
[/quote]

At least they gained the muscle?

Most of the guys who overbulked (DoubleDuce as an example) said it was extremely counterproductive, and they did not see any benefit from the fattening.

Most of the kids who say thy cannot gain weight, simply don’t try all that hard.

[/quote]

Most?

It seems it is working great for Bauber too.

[/quote]

I used DD as an example.

Bauber is heavily assisted…but you already knew that.[/quote]

so who the fuck cares if he is assisted?

[/quote]

Because bulking and cutting while assisted is completely different than a natty doing the same thing.

Try and stay on the topic of the thread.

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Now, the actual ‘bulking’ method itself…

I believe a natural should bulk according to his strength and workout levels.

During his beginning days, he should not bulk aggressively. He should just focus on eating good clean foods, while focusing on steady strength increases. As his volume & strength continue to increase, as should his volume of food. Someone who is struggling to get in a hour of heavy lifting should not be bulking off of 4K calories, while someone can go hard & heavy for 2 hours most likely would need a lot more calories just due to the amount burned off in the gym.

As long as strength gains are being made, the bulk should continue. Now obviously eating 6K calories would lead to strength gains, but way too much unnecessary fat, so nobody is saying to do this. You should be eating enough to continue to make strength & volume gains.

Once you feel you are getting too soft (entirely individual - and which should happen over a period of time - you will not get fat overnight - nor will you make strength gains overnight - so both must go hand in hand) you follow the BlueCollarTr8n method, which I picked up in the midst of this clusterfuck shitstorm (thank-you). Back off the calories (a drastic cut should not be necessary - if done properly). I believe this is what Prof also calls ‘damage control’. Back off the calories, while continuing to attempt to increase strength & volume etc. Maybe throw in a bit more cardio. You choose the agressiveness of this temproary ‘damage control’. This should prevent much ‘muscle loss’ which happens in extreme diets, while continuing to allow you to make gains.

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[quote]Ironfreak wrote:
Now, the actual ‘bulking’ method itself…

I believe a natural should bulk according to his strength and workout levels.

During his beginning days, he should not bulk aggressively. He should just focus on eating good clean foods, while focusing on steady strength increases. As his volume & strength continue to increase, as should his volume of food. Someone who is struggling to get in a hour of heavy lifting should not be bulking off of 4K calories, while someone can go hard & heavy for 2 hours most likely would need a lot more calories just due to the amount burned off in the gym.

As long as strength gains are being made, the bulk should continue. Now obviously eating 6K calories would lead to strength gains, but way too much unnecessary fat, so nobody is saying to do this. You should be eating enough to continue to make strength & volume gains.

Once you feel you are getting too soft (entirely individual - and which should happen over a period of time - you will not get fat overnight - nor will you make strength gains overnight - so both must go hand in hand) you follow the BlueCollarTr8n method, which I picked up in the midst of this clusterfuck shitstorm (thank-you). Back off the calories (a drastic cut should not be necessary - if done properly). I believe this is what Prof also calls ‘damage control’. Back off the calories, while continuing to attempt to increase strength & volume etc. Maybe throw in a bit more cardio. You choose the agressiveness of this temproary ‘damage control’. This should prevent much ‘muscle loss’ which happens in extreme diets, while continuing to allow you to make gains. [/quote]

Once again, good post and thank you for keeping this thread on topic.

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[quote]Ironfreak wrote:
Now, the actual ‘bulking’ method itself…

I believe a natural should bulk according to his strength and workout levels.

During his beginning days, he should not bulk aggressively. He should just focus on eating good clean foods, while focusing on steady strength increases. As his volume & strength continue to increase, as should his volume of food. Someone who is struggling to get in a hour of heavy lifting should not be bulking off of 4K calories, while someone can go hard & heavy for 2 hours most likely would need a lot more calories just due to the amount burned off in the gym.

As long as strength gains are being made, the bulk should continue. Now obviously eating 6K calories would lead to strength gains, but way too much unnecessary fat, so nobody is saying to do this. You should be eating enough to continue to make strength & volume gains.

Once you feel you are getting too soft (entirely individual - and which should happen over a period of time - you will not get fat overnight - nor will you make strength gains overnight - so both must go hand in hand) you follow the BlueCollarTr8n method, which I picked up in the midst of this clusterfuck shitstorm (thank-you). Back off the calories (a drastic cut should not be necessary - if done properly). I believe this is what Prof also calls ‘damage control’. Back off the calories, while continuing to attempt to increase strength & volume etc. Maybe throw in a bit more cardio. You choose the agressiveness of this temproary ‘damage control’. This should prevent much ‘muscle loss’ which happens in extreme diets, while continuing to allow you to make gains. [/quote]

Agree with much of what you say here…the devil is in the details.

I just don’t believe you need to lose abs to get big and strong…some disagree with me on that regard, no harm no foul.

But simply saying that you cannot “bulk” and still stay reasonably lean is silly to me.

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[quote]UtahLama wrote:

Because bulking and cutting while assisted is completely different than a natty doing the same thing.

Try and stay on the topic of the thread.[/quote]

This is incorrect.

During cutting you will see increased muscle retention when dieting with steroid use.

It would have zero effect on the basic concept of trying to gain as much muscle as possible.

if you gained too much fat that indicates a need for a change in diet.