[quote]MassiveGuns wrote:
You did read my posts right? The example was moved on to where both trainees added weight…
If a bulk is beneficial doing BW exercises, how is it not beneficial in exercises where you lift most of your bodyweight plus added weight?
Heavier bodyweight makes bench press easier? How much body mass do you think it takes to shorten the range of motion of your bench press by three inches? If you don’t arch your back for maxiumum muscle recruitment, to shorten that range of motion how much bodyfat do you need on your chest? two inches of fat thickness over the upper pecs?
If leverages played that much of a part in the bench and were assisted by fat, then your average obese couch potato who has never lifted in his life is going to be plenty stronger than your average untrained skinny lifter right? Which of course is always the case…??
And of course, closer to reality, your average 25% plus skinny fat kid who gets into lifting is always way stronger than the kid carrying the same LBM but at much lower bodyfat?
You can out on a limb all you want, but you are basically stating that someone whose muscles can do physically more anaerobic work and has placed their muscles under more muscluar tension as well as eating all the food they want, will be less developed than someone who can do less work and has been subjecting them to 100lbs less muscular tension over the course of their workouts, and has been eating and training like someone who has been trying to stay in a weightclass.
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My bad, must have missed the posts about adding weight, must have scanned over them. So disregard that I suppose.
I can see kind of see where you’re coming from, but I don’t it’ s that cut and dry. I mean there’s the ‘Fat Guy Calves’ type scenario, but it takes YEARS and YEARS of being such a heavier BW to actually contribute to a gain in muscle mass. I don’t think a 2 year bulk would do that.
Ok, so you’ve NEVER heard of guys cutting and losing strength? They say the lifts that usually take the biggest hit is the Bench, then the Squat, with DL never really being effected. Being larger allows a bigger base. More stable. That’s why most strength standards are done usually in context of BW. and the guys who Bench and Squat the most are the super heavyweights.
Yeah, I would agree that too newbs with similar LBM, but one being 25% and other being 15% or something, the 25% one WILL be stronger and be able to move more weight. If he’s 225 lbs, Benching 185 is going to be much easier then a kid who is 185 lbs. (pulled those numbers out my ass).
Like I said, may help with idk, Calve development, back development if he does a lot of Pullups? Maybe some other stuff if he does a lot of BW exercises (though they don’t have a lot of potential to add the amount of muscle mass we are discussing). But Bench and Squats, Pressing, Curls, idk, everything else, the extra BW is going to make those things easier. Now allowing those exercises to be EASIER, and allowing more weight to the BAR over time, yeah there’s some merit to that. But the actual BW making you bigger, even if it’s just fat? No seeing that.
