I just started daily, subq, 350 test e per week. First and only cycle. Preliminary labs show 803 test. I did ramp up the first few days. On day 14 today. I’m 28y/o. 6’2. Starting weight 177lbs 15% bf. Been working out for my whole life but only training properly for about 2.5 years. How much muscle can I expect?
I don’t use Test, but I know enough that it will not compensate for a poor diet and training.
Do yourself a big favor and put down the needle and pickup a fork and steak knife.
Good luck.
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This is good. Have you considered that taking exogeneous testosterone will temporally turn down or off your own testosterone production and it might not return to your present levels?
This should be enough to feel a positive muscle growth.
Am I understanding this correctly? This is the first cycle for you, but it will also be the only cycle for you.
If that is the case, IMO, the risk out weighs the benefit. AAS cycles build upon themselves when done properly and frequent enough.
You will see a benefit from a single cycle, but within about a year, or so, you will likely be back where you were before the single cycle.
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2 questions…
- How long will this cycle last.
- What will you be taking as a estrogen blocker?
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Ok lol you don’t even use testosterone so this advice was a bit unsolicited. Thanks anyways haha
My test is heathy and that’s why I only want to do one cycle. To minimize the risk. I’m interested in what you said about me being the same size after 1 year. I don’t think I’ve gotten near my genetic potential yet. Isn’t it a lot easier to keep muscle than it is the gain new muscle?
Good question. I plan on doing 11-12 weeks. No estrogen blockers or AI. I’ll just lower my dose and come off before I ever take that stuff
without a breakdown of your training and nutrition for those 12 weeks can’t speculate.
Those two things are more important than the test.
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Most people that haven’t used gear have a totally different idea of what a cycle will do for them than what people who have used gear do. Most are pretty underwhelmed after their first. The big jacked guys are doing more than what most think (usually), and they are doing it often, or all the time, and it took them years of doing it to look that way.
There are exceptions to this, but this applies to most people. Most of the guys that claim 20+ lbs gained on their first test cycle are full of shit if they are trying to say it was clean gains. Most gain a few lbs of lean tissue, a few lbs of fat, and a few lbs of water. After PCT, most are left with sub 5 lbs of lean tissue gained. That is what I’ve seen time after time with the guys I know that do gear (myself included). 5 lbs of lean tissue is a lot, don’t get me wrong. I feel a lot of guys that start at 180 lbs are expecting to be 200 with a 6 pack after their first test cycle. Just doesn’t work like that for almost everyone but the extreme outliers, or the guys who’s first cycle is close to a year long with multiple compounds or high dosages.
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There is no way to tell how much muscle you will gain. This is up to genetics, diet and proper training. We have no idea about any of these because you posted 0 information.
FYI-You might have better luck in the pharma section.
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Then you shouldn’t be touching gear.
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This is prob gonna be a complete waste. You have great test level to begin with and now your gonna shut yourself down and potentially do damage to your HPT in the process.
When you go into PCT you will most likely negate any positive progress you have made.
I think a lot more research should have been done here. Typically you ask questions before you start.
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Everybody says no, but the OP hear yes! The voices of sanity can’t be heard in a world gone mad…
How about changing training strategy (program for hypertrophy) and start eating for gains? If I’m at 50 y.o. manage to continue progressing - So can you! There are plenty of good examples at the Tnation forum, who manage to progress through experience, curiousity and smart work consistently.
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The problem is the younger folks have 0 patience. They want to be huge now!!!
Shitty diet and ineffective training? Who cares i’ll just hop on some gear!!! 
They don’t realize that diet and training are 95% of the equation.
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The bad news is that you missed at least 8 potentially productive years to grow muscle density. Those are gone. But there is no value in dwelling on that, except to assure you don’t repeat that mistake.
You are a tall drink of water for only 177lbs and likely not much “that guy lifts weights” muscle, if your 15% body fat is close to accurate.
No one is close to their genetic potential with only 2 or 3 years of sub-optimal training and sub-optimal diet. Surely, you don’t believe you are “dialed in” on training and diet, do you?
If you are set on only one AAS cycle, at least get your training and diet to the optimal level before starting your cycle (but I suppose 14 days into your cycle is a little too late for that.)
A picture is worth a thousand words… What are we working with? And what are your expectations? Do you have visual distinct muscle group separations throughout your body?
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And you decided it was a good idea to fuck with that?
What is “training properly” to you?
What program are you running?
What does your diet look like, specifically?
lol
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And it’s all so they can get a girlfriend and stop lifting the moment they do 
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I stopped lifting when I got married and built a house. Even designed space in the garage for the gym.
You’re not wrong.
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You did it wrong. Your supposed to get jacked after you get married so females pay attn to you again!!!
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Fixed
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