How Quick for E2 to Come Down Naturally?

You said you are doing an experiment with 500mg pw and never felt better.

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Not at all afraid of e2 i absolutely love e2

Temporary for an experiment. That is not my regular dose. Will return to my regular dose after the experiment. I don’t believe in balance? Balance is the whole point!

Shame on me for making an assumption. Lol sure man. You literally say i have never seen numbers like these or when i see numbers like these and you are handing out advice like you are a medical professional and you are not. You can deflect all you want. Truth is you comment on things you know nothing about. And you have been called on it by several people.

So now its 125mg. You do realize that health illness anxiety is the new term for hypochondriac right? Many of the symptoms you have described could very easily be psychosomatic all the way down to the urinary symptoms. I dont know that they all are as you are very unhealthy and clearly need to make changes. I really dont have much else to say. I think you are dangerous to yourself and others you can either see it and change or continue to tell people with muscle strain they have low t because if it.

You are wrong. My dr has tried to get me to take 1 arim EOD.

It’s crazy… It’s amazing that docs aren’t thrown in jail for this kind of thing…

Between that and giving super low / infrequent T doses to people that have severe symptoms, they really should have some sort of consequences for it. But we all know that isn’t going to happen anytime soon.

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The urinary symptoms vanished after 5 days, then urination returned to normal and in fact better than pre-TRT. You’re just irritable, admit it.

The OP has no expectation to get a medical professionals opinion on a public forum, this isn’t the place one comes to for medical professionals opinions. We have countless people handing out advice who aren’t medical professionals, it’s a public forum, not medical professionals R’ US.

Get over yourself.

You said that before and your point was made, did that provide relief saying it again?

Get over it, I did.

I was totally just gonna leave things alone. But ive now seen two posts that is not trt advice and shouldve been 100% a medical diagnosis.

First you tell someone with elevated bilirubin they need thyroid hormones cause you did. So what happens if guys liver is a problem? Does it harm him? You don’t know. Correct answer is please follow up with your doctor. Second. Guy posted about his dad surviving cancer twice and yoh indicating that trt would be fine. I mean really… do I need to explain that he needed to speak to his oncologist and other doctors before proceeding. The moderator even told the poster it wasnt suitable yet you chimed in.

These are two more examples about why you are dangerous. You are not giving out trt advice.
You are giving out medical advice. So you can tell me to get over myself but really the self reflection should be yours. You are not a doctor, or a hormone specialist. You are an unhealthy man that in several instances has given out harmful or flat wrong advice. Im done with this argument with you cause really theres no point you aren’t going to change. You are unwilling to self reflect and admit it. But if you give out bad advice I will point it out. As do johan77 and hardartery and Danny.

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I never directed anyone to treat the thyroid based on bilirubin levels, now if thyroid hormones are indeed low, a trial of thyroid hormone is not unreasonable, I simply gave the poster information that high bilirubin ā€œcouldā€ be because of low thyroid hormones. I also stated it could be Gilbert’s Syndrome.

The poster even mentioned his baby had high bilirubin at birth and I’m pretty sure the next step is to do more testing to get to the bottom of it. You have a funny way of twisting things around to suit your position.

Sure thing. I went back and looked and you told him to test his thyroid and repeatedly said he was going to need T3 or T4. Nocebo effect at its finest. You can act like I am twisting all you want. Im not. Again you are obviously unable to take a step back and realize that your behavior is irresponsible. You just go on defensive and throw mild insults my way to try and discredit me. It is fine I really don’t care. But i do care about you harming people

Nobody has been harmed or has it been proven that I’ve harm anyone. Referring to the T3 or T4 comments I’m unable to respond to this since you are rambling and being vague, because if you provided more detail you might have to defend yourself and risk looking bad.

That’s what I call a low risk because you lack the confidence to explain yourself in detail regarding the bilirubin/thyroid comment which would make you look bad, that’s why you were vague.

You are going to use Danny as an example, Danny isn’t a doctor or hormone specialist and has been called out many times as wrong by other experience members, while he provides good advice and I watch his channel because it does provide value, he still speaks in absolutes (high estrogen is of no consequence) and I’d be wary of anyone who speaks to a one size fits all approach when it comes to hormone optimization.

I did admit I was wrong and moved on, but you were making assumptions about many things instead of just asking, but you continued to make dozens of assumptions about a great many things which I explained in great detail and you were wrong on all fronts.

I even said I would reword it in the future so you or others don’t get confused believing I’m a medical professional. I thought at that point we had come to an understanding, but you got butt hurt over it and thought you would regurgitate all past comments (you’re dangerous, you’re causing harm without proof of harm) as an attempt hit back to get the last word in, then claim you were going to let it go.

You’re not fooling anyone because you can’t let it go, you don’t know how, you haven’t been able to do that since the day you joined because you keep regurgitating it by saying, ā€œyou’re dangerous, you’re harming peopleā€ more times than I can count, in fact it has dominated your posts.

You’re like a parrot with a limited vocabulary.

Every time I try to post it says ā€œfile size too largeā€

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@dextermorgan did you join and I missed you? Let me know.

I find it interesting that you stated that I’ve been called out as wrong. This would imply that every single physician I’ve interviewed is also being called out as wrong.

Called out how? What evidence was provided that proved anything to be wrong? Where? When? It’s funny how I frequently ask for evidence, nobody provides any, and then they claim victory stating I was wrong. It’s like kindergarten.

YOU, on the other hand, telling people to microdose T, using an AI because estrogen causes libido issues, and some of the other nonsense you spew is demonstrably wrong.

Dr Breger, who I had in recently, is coming back to discuss thyroid optimization. I guess he’ll be wrong too, correct?

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Yes Im with systemlord and every other dude on here. Dbossa is wrong, as always. Lately Ive been getting strong libido and erections again, this after years of dialing in.

What did I do? REDUCE my dosage so much so estrogen came down, and now, all off a sudden, I have a pretty damn good libido again, now I just need to modify it a little more and my sexual function will be the same as in my teens.

One particular guy on here, dbossa, told me once to increase my dosage, that didnt work out at all.

Systemlord is correct. With low SHBG, estrogen control is REALLY important, as just a litttle bit too much estrogen will wreck havoc on your whole system, due to low shbg being low you will have ALOT of free estrogen.

Ive experienced with this for years now, I know what im talking about, you cant say the same with certain people on here.

@equel

Nope.

You’re an outlier. A one on ten thousand case. We don’t see this anywhere. You and @systemlord should become roommates.

We see plenty of low shbg guys and none of them are needing to control their estrogen… Myself included.

You’re basing an entire population of men based on your extreme exceptional case just as systemlord does. It does NOT reflect the majority in the slightest. Not even close.

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I haven’t even read systemlords response to me. He’s not going to get it and im done. Its unfortunate it appears he pulled Danny into it to make a point. I dont feel like Danny has been disproven. There’s a lot of evidence saying AIs are horrible for you. They give them to cancer patients because obviously cancer is worse. Danny is a proponent finding a dose that works best with out side effects and without an AI. To system lord and the other poster is it the SHBG that matters or are you simply hyper responders. There are hyper responders to everything. I’ve seen patients that took an asprin and were out of it like they took an opoid. They are outliers and I guess both of you are too. Systemlord I would be very curious as to whether your shbg comes up as your diabetes is more controlled and what that does to your dose of trt needed. If you need more then shbg is certainly in play. If you dont you probably over responder. I would say Danny’s advice works for 2-3 standard deviations from the norm or 95 to 99.7 percent of population. So people who might benefit from microdosing are going to be few and far between. SystemLord has other comorbidities that may confound things greatly. Several people have pointed this out.

Then we must have a lot of outliers here. You should spend a little more time here and keep track of all the guys who come to this forum. I’m basing my advice on the labs and by what the person symptoms are, your knee jerk reaction is increase the dosage and others have called you out on it.

You’re a lier, the only way you could know I’m not going to accept your bullshit is if you read it. You and I both know you can’t help yourself, you haven’t been able to stop since you first joined and you’re not about to stop now.

You read it but choose not to reply because you look bad now. I got a lot of points ontarget.