It is pointless to debate you. I did not read it. I didnt read the email you sent me either. It is not worth my time. I’m sure its all the same excuses anyway. I have said nothing that was 'bullshit" there are at least 4 incidents of you giving “advice” that was inaccurate and potentially harmful. Putting thoughts in people’s heads is harmful.
There is a strong nocebo effect. I have been mostly respectful in my tone to you other than sharing my thoughts that you might have health anxiety disorder. I do not know your psychological state and probably shouldn’t have commented on it. I apologize for that. You have been 100% defensive and now quite beligerent. Please do not try to harass me via email again it is not worth your effort to type as I wont read that either. I’d offer to teach you about nocebo effect and the issues you can cause telling people they have conditions you are not qualified to diagnose but I fear that time has passed. I certainly don’t feel like I look bad. I tried to help a few people here not get taken down a rabbit hole of nocebo. I help people every day in real life, so if a few people here think I’m wrong then I can live with it.
An email you say, there are no PMs or any way for me to send you an email, I don’t know your email, you are fabricating everything.
Now you reword it as potentially harmful, before I was causing harm. That’s the bullshit I was referring to and now everyone has seen it for themselves. The email comment is the same bullshit, everyone knows there are no PMs and no way for me to email you.
I’ve been belligerent because you’re full of shit and are digging yourself a deeper hole misspeaking.
You’re a liar and a dishonest person. I don’t know your email or would I resort to emailing you. In fact why don’t you take a screenshot of the email you say I sent you and post it here. I reckon you won’t because this email doesn’t exist.
The ball is in your court buddy.
You do now because you can’t stop posting. I’ve been baiting you so everyone can see who you really are and it has work flawlessly. You played right into my hands like I knew you would and have expose a liar and someone making claims he can’t back up.
I cant help but laugh. Really what did I lie about? YNothing. You are taking half posts and jumping on them like that is all I said. In every post I explained why you were wrong. It is obvious you cannot handle being wrong. It doesnt bother me. As far as the email i got an email from tnation with your screen name in header. I doubt that is coincidence but I cant know cause I didnt open it. So ill admit it might not be from you. I was under assumption that are emails are on our bio page. Everything else stands. Im not going to engage you cause it is a waste of my time and energy. But ill say again the moderator came into two of the four incidents and once directly told you not to comment and second time told the original poster his question was not appropriate but you had answered alreadt. So at least twice I was right and not a liar. Do you deny this? The posts are there man for anyone to find. Im sure you’ll respond as you will have to have last word but I can’t stay and play I have things to do.
@dbossa I am in your group and love it and your videos. I feel like speaking with the doctors has given me insight into many things. But I am out of this forum I wasted too much time on this dude
This ^^, don’t play stupid. I still want to see this email you say I sent you, if you fail to do so we will assume you fabricated all of it.
You were right about the abductor strain, I was wrong and I said as much and moved on, but you couldn’t drop it and kept on saying how I was harming people without a shred of proof, then change the wording to potentially harmful.
No one has claim that my advice harmed them, or has that ever occurred in this forum, only you have made that claim on their behalf which you are unable to backup. Then you tell me I’m not a doctor or medical professional, I never claimed to be one and the majority of members are not either or claim to be.
This is the BS I’m talking about and when you spread misinformation, you’ll get called out on it. If you stop spreading lies and misinformation, then you won’t have to waste time defending yourself looking stupid in the process.
I admitted I was wrong, yet you couldn’t do that same and instead spread lies and misinformation.
I saw a poll on here more than 1/2 inject less than 150 mg. And that’s with many guys on here that prefer more because of body building . Dbossa makes it sound like most people inject 200+.
@dbossa is there a video that a Dr claims most of his ‘regular’ trt patients inject 200 or more a week everyday?
I suspect some of the reason that poll showed those results is that it is quite difficult to find a TRT doc that would prescribe those doses. I know 150mg/week puts me at the top of the lab ranges, and my doc won’t put me over that, even if I wanted to try. There’s probably a good chance I would feel even better at 200mg/week, but i would have to break the rules to get there and lose my script if I get caught.
Some people feel really good on crack too… Of course you may feel like he-man on 250 a week that allows you to quickly grow muscle. But is it healthy… Can an aging 45 year old (still young btw) body, aging heart, aging tendons etc handle it
Not arguing there. I’m just saying that I believe the poll showed lower dosages because that’s what the doctor prescribed, even with guys that want more.
@systemlord says I should spend more time in this forum. If I spend more time than I already am, my wife will divorce me.
@Steven90 there are a few that start at 200. Some start at 150. We rarely see guys optimized at 100. We don’t care what dose someone uses. We go with what the majority is doing best with. Use whatever amount you wish. It doesn’t change my life in the slightest.
I see you took the same course as all the docs that use this ridiculous line
The only reason why people are using less is due to what is prescribed by docs that are scared to death of high levels of testosterone with no evidence. The docs that DO understand TRT typically get guys up there a bit higher.
You guys really got me all wrong. You really do. I don’t have to spend time here helping guys here for free. I do it because I feel that I’m giving back to the community. I was totally lost when I started out.
If you think I’m full of shit, just ignore my posts. It’s fine, I won’t take it personally.
@steven90 can you demonstrate any evidence of harm by someone taking 250mg a week as per your example?
Me neither.
250mg a week only gets my free T to 28. Do you consider that a cycle?
Me neither.
When we can demonstrate harm, we will adjust as required. So far there is no evidence of harm.
This is a blanket statement and is still a one size fits all comment, the lack of evidence of harm isn’t the same things as there is no harm, some men will have blood pressure problems at these doses. I have seen my fair share of men having these problems at lower dosage.
You may want to call these men outliers, but can’t prove that these men are in fact outliers. Defy Medical, Dr. Saya doesn’t on average prescribe dosages over 200mg to men numbering in the ten of thousands.
I have seen studies on twice weekly protocols at Excelmale starting at 80mg twice weekly and going higher from there showing men with supraphsulocical levels in the majority of cases.
Don’t believe me, head on other there and check it out for yourself.
I don’t consider this a cycle, you have T resistance and you may in fact be an outlier trying to pass yourself on as an average guy.
It’s been studied for over 80 years. If there was harm we would have seen it by now. No evidence of harm in 80 years. With some men, if their levels are too high they get side effects so they lower their dose. Big deal. Other men have zero side effects regardless of how much they use.
The fact of the matter is: no evidence of harm after 80 years of study. So I’m not going to worry about harm just because my number goes over the high limit when that very same high limit keeps going down every year. That is absolutely irrational and illogical.
You guys need to stop worrying about stuff. It’s worry worry worry over every damn thing. Every lab value sends you into a panic asking a million questions. It’s SAD.
Am here for all opinions. And I like reading yours as well.
That was probably to let you know the thread your subscribed to got a reply to one of your posts, you’re not very tech savvy. I elected to stop receiving those in my email box by unsubscribing, maybe you should as well instead of insinuating “I” sent you an email because it’s not possible on T-Nation.
How come I see you telling people they are outliers here literally all the time? How come so many people are “outliers” to you? Its like you have your BIAS, and as soon as someone has another experience - going agains it - “muh outlier”. Just stop it, this is well known (anecdotally) and talked about on lots of forums.
The reason why people cannot take you seriously is the fact u come off as such a hardcore white/black thinker, Its your way or the high way. That might have worked in high-school but that is not how things work when ure an adult, as you really would known given you are 45 years of age. Maybe you should try to come off as you do in your videos instead, and not so wannabe-alpha cause its very obvious and kinda weird.
@equel you’re making accusations about things where you don’t have a clue.
I’m not black and white in the least. I’ve changed my position on things over the years when sufficient evidence was brought to me. You and @systemlord systemlord are two outliers. There aren’t many of you like this at all on this forum, nor in the Facebook group. I can maybe count on one hand… Maybe. Meanwhile there are thousands that are doing better with the way we report as what the vast majority is going. If low dose worked best then that is what we would report. I have nothing to gain either way. This is the part you can’t grasp. I have NOTHING TO GAIN by relaying the information we are seeing with thousands of men. If everyone started buying black shoes we would report that everyone is buying black shoes. To say I’m full of shit because you’re one of the ones that wears white shoes doesn’t change the fact that everyone else is wearing black. Can you get this? If I had a product I was selling, that would be one thing, and a reason to have a bias, but I have NO product to sell. I want people to have the best information I can get from multiple physicians. That’s it.
@equel what did I want for you from day 1? I wanted you to get better. You were miserable, remember? I wanted to help you, for free. I didn’t get enough time with you. I am REALLY, GENUINELY happy that you are finally feeling better, trust me, because that is what I wanted. It just turns out that the solution for you was a rare one compared to everyone else. It doesn’t mean your solution will work for the majority, because it doesn’t. It is what it is.
Can you get this? Can you just let it rest already?
That email is from t-nation telling you systemlord responded to you in the forum. It is not a personal email from him and everything in it is a response you read here also.