Just claim you have a degree in whatever field is relative to the conversation, it works.
Troll cover blown! Abort!
[quote]xd40cal wrote:
As I said along, do what’s best for you, anyone thinking that you can’t have TOO much protein is just wrong, and are most likely committing overkill on their kidneys and liver, and wallet.
I retire.
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When I typed “gtfo” before I really should have saved it for this post.
Jesus christ you actually sound like a troll. Kidneys AND LIVER (!!!) Where on earth did you learn that protein consumption will have adverse effects on a healthy man’s liver.
And I said it before, but you didnt read it apparently, general recomendations (ya know the ones maede for ENTIRE POPULATONS OF PEOPLE) are completely useless when talking about such a specific and specialized group of people (bodybuilders). Why in the world would a person looking to put on as much muscle as possible worry about a study done on sedentary people with no physique goals at all?
the attorney in me loves a good argument, especially when both sides are deep in their trenches, and both have defensible arguments based on entirely different information.
I was curious about how much protein I actually eat. I had assumed it was about 200-250 gms a day depending on serving sizes etc. I sat down this morning and did the math. It turns out that day in and day out I eat closer to 300 gms a day. I’m 6’1", 236-238 lbs, and now about 8-9% BF (according to my trainer’s calipers).
two years ago i was still 6’1", but i was 219 lbs, 19% BF. The first words out my trainer’s mouth the first day i met here were: “eat more protein”. I did. I did other stuff too, but that was the main nutrition change. I increased my protein by a factor of X2. It worked great for me. it feels right.
Am i pooping or peeing out some extra protein? I dunno, don’t really care, i like what I am doing and feel great, and get tons of compliments on my physique.
[quote]xd40cal wrote:
Do tell, how many grams of protein can one reasonably expect to absorb at one time. Yes, variances from someone who is 200lbs to someone who is 300lbs which is obviously understandable, but what can one expect?
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The point is, idiotic blanket statements are retarded.
No one has an answer for you (I’m a bio-chem major BTW) because no one is certain - that’s the whole point. I have a collection of chem and physiology texts a mile high - and they all say different things.
Most importantly, attempting to definitively state that the body absorbs FORTY-TWO grams of protein per hour is flawed thinking, speculative at best and impossible to prove without n = MILLIONS of individuals (and includes all possibilities, including statistical outliers LIKE BODYBUILDERS).
I’m surprised someone with a graduate level education in life science has such a dogmatic view…
i actually had some blood tests done because i was diagnosed with gout from over consumption of BAD protein (eating too much red meat and nasty beef [burgers] on a daily basis) and several doctors said that my kidneys and liver are stressed from too much protein consumption. apparently the activity levels in my kidneys and liver arent dangerously high, but still higher than average nonetheless. i assume thats normal for someone like me who eats alot more than the average person.
i still consume 400-500g of protein a day anyway i just cut down on beef to prevent any future gout attacks. my point is, everyones different and responds differently to what they put in their body. protein has many health benefits but it is foolish to say u can consume an endless amount and there isnt any POSSIBILITY ur body wont respond to it in a negative way. cause for me personally, now i gotta manage gout flare ups and i also get bubble gut alot. nothin a little epsom salt cant fix tho…
[quote]hurg53 wrote:
i actually had some blood tests done because i was diagnosed with gout from over consumption of BAD protein (eating too much red meat and nasty beef [burgers] on a daily basis) and several doctors said that my kidneys and liver are stressed from too much protein consumption. apparently the activity levels in my kidneys and liver arent dangerously high, but still higher than average nonetheless. i assume thats normal for someone like me who eats alot more than the average person.
i still consume 400-500g of protein a day anyway i just cut down on beef to prevent any future gout attacks. my point is, everyones different and responds differently to what they put in their body. protein has many health benefits but it is foolish to say u can consume an endless amount and there isnt any POSSIBILITY ur body wont respond to it in a negative way. cause for me personally, now i gotta manage gout flare ups and i also get bubble gut alot. nothin a little epsom salt cant fix tho…
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Lifestyle
Dietary causes account for about 12% of gout,[2] and include a strong association with the consumption of alcohol, fructose sweetened drinks, meat, and seafood.[4] Other triggers include physical trauma and surgery.[6] Recent studies have found that dietary factors once believed to be associated are in fact not, including the intake of purine rich vegetables and total protein.[8][9] Coffee consumption, vitamin C, dairy products and physical fitness appear to decrease the risk.[10][11][12] This is believed to be partly due to their effect in reducing insulin resistance.[12]
copied and pasted from wikipedia entry on “gout”.
Are the doctors sure it was caused by red meat? Seems like there are quite a few possibilites. Just curious.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]hurg53 wrote:
i actually had some blood tests done because i was diagnosed with gout from over consumption of BAD protein (eating too much red meat and nasty beef [burgers] on a daily basis) and several doctors said that my kidneys and liver are stressed from too much protein consumption. apparently the activity levels in my kidneys and liver arent dangerously high, but still higher than average nonetheless. i assume thats normal for someone like me who eats alot more than the average person.
i still consume 400-500g of protein a day anyway i just cut down on beef to prevent any future gout attacks. my point is, everyones different and responds differently to what they put in their body. protein has many health benefits but it is foolish to say u can consume an endless amount and there isnt any POSSIBILITY ur body wont respond to it in a negative way. cause for me personally, now i gotta manage gout flare ups and i also get bubble gut alot. nothin a little epsom salt cant fix tho…
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Lifestyle
Dietary causes account for about 12% of gout,[2] and include a strong association with the consumption of alcohol, fructose sweetened drinks, meat, and seafood.[4] Other triggers include physical trauma and surgery.[6] Recent studies have found that dietary factors once believed to be associated are in fact not, including the intake of purine rich vegetables and total protein.[8][9] Coffee consumption, vitamin C, dairy products and physical fitness appear to decrease the risk.[10][11][12] This is believed to be partly due to their effect in reducing insulin resistance.[12]
copied and pasted from wikipedia entry on “gout”.
Are the doctors sure it was caused by red meat? Seems like there are quite a few possibilites. Just curious.
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This is why going to the oldest doctor around isn’t always the best idea. Scientific ideas change over time. That is one reason why continuing education is mandatory to keep a license.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
Coffee consumption, vitamin C, dairy products and physical fitness appear to decrease the risk.
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Nice, I went from petrified of getting gout to immune to it in two posts.
The internet is a roller-coaster of emotion, I tell ya.
[quote]BONEZ217 wrote:
[quote]hurg53 wrote:
i actually had some blood tests done because i was diagnosed with gout from over consumption of BAD protein (eating too much red meat and nasty beef [burgers] on a daily basis) and several doctors said that my kidneys and liver are stressed from too much protein consumption. apparently the activity levels in my kidneys and liver arent dangerously high, but still higher than average nonetheless. i assume thats normal for someone like me who eats alot more than the average person.
i still consume 400-500g of protein a day anyway i just cut down on beef to prevent any future gout attacks. my point is, everyones different and responds differently to what they put in their body. protein has many health benefits but it is foolish to say u can consume an endless amount and there isnt any POSSIBILITY ur body wont respond to it in a negative way. cause for me personally, now i gotta manage gout flare ups and i also get bubble gut alot. nothin a little epsom salt cant fix tho…
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Lifestyle
Dietary causes account for about 12% of gout,[2] and include a strong association with the consumption of alcohol, fructose sweetened drinks, meat, and seafood.[4] Other triggers include physical trauma and surgery.[6] Recent studies have found that dietary factors once believed to be associated are in fact not, including the intake of purine rich vegetables and total protein.[8][9] Coffee consumption, vitamin C, dairy products and physical fitness appear to decrease the risk.[10][11][12] This is believed to be partly due to their effect in reducing insulin resistance.[12]
copied and pasted from wikipedia entry on “gout”.
Are the doctors sure it was caused by red meat? Seems like there are quite a few possibilites. Just curious.
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Well I don’t drink, no soda, rarely eat seafood, no physical trauma or surgeries. I also found it interesting that 2 hours after eating a roast beef sandwich i suffered a brutal gout attack and couldnt walk. This was before I knew i had gout so the next day I continued eating beef and sure enough after eating some beef burritos I suffered another attack. After I stopped eating beef completely the swelling started to go away and I was back to normal. Didnt take any medications for gout either so I knew it had something to do with my diet.
I’ve done alot of research on gout and they’re not entirely sure what exactly causes it, alot of people seem to think its genetic. I also know some bodybuilders who suffer from gout and they claim its from too much protein consumption. Interesting thing is they claim its from any protein source, yet I was still consuming over 300g of protein while i was suffering from gout just took out the beef and my ankle was still improving. So i’m not sure exactly what I believe but I do stay away from beef now whether its a coincidence or not.
I do know that protein powders do NOT cause gout because since whey is a byproduct of milk, and dairy is low in purine acid.
Another interesting piece of information is that the results from my blood work concluded that my purine acid levels were normal.
For the love of God:
Gout is caused by overproduction or underexcretion of uric acid, the end product of purine metabolism. You’re breaking down more DNA/RNA than your body can handle, which causes uric acid to accumulate and form crystals in your joints which leads to inflammation which is painful.
Gout has nothing to do with protein.
Fucked up kidneys might just be your problem, but I doubt that protein caused that.
I’ve been quite liking Romaniellos more guidance on protein intake:
Cutting: 1g per lb LBM
Bulking: 1g per lb desired LBM
I have added my own tweak on this which seems to be serving me well at the moment:
Reach the minimum protein goals with complete sources of protein ONLY. Any extra protein from incomplete sources does NOT count towards this and is considered a bonus on top of the base protein intake.
For me I’m cutting and prescribed 151g using Romaniellos formula… However I typically eat up to 175g or more daily due to the masses of vegetables, pulses, etc. I consume.
This guide is for my off days only. Workout nutrition is added on top of this - typically this will mean an additional 30g or so protein.
These reccomendations are relatively low compared to some of the cutting intakes on here. This lower protein intake is a new approach for me and is certainly easier on the wallet + more convienient!
[quote]kakno wrote:
For the love of God:
Gout is caused by overproduction or underexcretion of uric acid, the end product of purine metabolism. You’re breaking down more DNA/RNA than your body can handle, which causes uric acid to accumulate and form crystals in your joints which leads to inflammation which is painful.
Gout has nothing to do with protein.
Fucked up kidneys might just be your problem, but I doubt that protein caused that.[/quote]
Cool.
[quote]benmoore wrote:
Reach the minimum protein goals with complete sources of protein ONLY. Any extra protein from incomplete sources does NOT count towards this and is considered a bonus on top of the base protein intake.
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I’ve taken this approach for years, mainly because of the ‘complete’ vs ‘incomplete’ protein argument at its highest in the 70’s & 80’s. But mainly continue as its easier to just count the protein frm fish / meat / dairy etc. Does any body really rely on the fact raw Broccoli has 4.4g protein per 100g??
I weigh 265lb (fat) and aim for 225-250g protein per day, but don’t worry as long as I’m over the 200g mark.