How Much More Weight?

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[quote]tribunaldude wrote:

You can only tell him that he needs to gain more muscle, and that means he needs to get STRONGER at movements he chooses.

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Exactly, How do you feel would be the best way to go about that? I’ve put on 100+ pounds on my deadlift since last winter, and I’m still not seeing any of the size gains I was hoping for.

By my pictures I could probably have told you guys I was 160 pounds and a 225 deadlift, and you all probably would have believed me. I hate that, I not only want to get stronger, but I want to get bigger. I’m just not seeing the size progression I was expecting.

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[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
tribunaldude wrote:

You can only tell him that he needs to gain more muscle, and that means he needs to get STRONGER at movements he chooses.

Exactly, How do you feel would be the best way to go about that? I’ve put on 100+ pounds on my deadlift since last winter, and I’m still not seeing any of the size gains I was hoping for.

By my pictures I could probably have told you guys I was 160 pounds and a 225 deadlift, and you all probably would have believed me. I hate that, I not only want to get stronger, but I want to get bigger. I’m just not seeing the size progression I was expecting.[/quote]

you’re not eating enough, and it doesn’t look like you’re eating quality food. that may be a stretch, but looking at your pics it doesn’t seem like you have much if any muscle because it’s hidden by fat.
I’m not knocking you, just giving an observation
Just clean up the diet a little

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check your PM.

[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
tribunaldude wrote:

You can only tell him that he needs to gain more muscle, and that means he needs to get STRONGER at movements he chooses.

Exactly, How do you feel would be the best way to go about that? I’ve put on 100+ pounds on my deadlift since last winter, and I’m still not seeing any of the size gains I was hoping for.

By my pictures I could probably have told you guys I was 160 pounds and a 225 deadlift, and you all probably would have believed me. I hate that, I not only want to get stronger, but I want to get bigger. I’m just not seeing the size progression I was expecting.[/quote]

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[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
tribunaldude wrote:

You can only tell him that he needs to gain more muscle, and that means he needs to get STRONGER at movements he chooses.

Exactly, How do you feel would be the best way to go about that? I’ve put on 100+ pounds on my deadlift since last winter, and I’m still not seeing any of the size gains I was hoping for.

By my pictures I could probably have told you guys I was 160 pounds and a 225 deadlift, and you all probably would have believed me. I hate that, I not only want to get stronger, but I want to get bigger. I’m just not seeing the size progression I was expecting.[/quote]

The deadlift is not the corner stone of strength gains. Nearly every single newbie who comes here claims they can deadlift a lot. If ALL OF YOUR LIFTS are not increasing you are doing something wrong. By the looks of it, that something has much to do with your food intake and strategy.

How much has your bench press increased? Military press? Biceps curls (gasp, yes, biceps curls)? Squat?

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[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
How does anyone know there is someone 1/2 his size that lifts more? How much does he lift?[/quote]

It’s like those people who tell me they know someone my size…only bigger…who doesn’t lift.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
How does anyone know there is someone 1/2 his size that lifts more? How much does he lift?

It’s like those people who tell me they know someone my size…only bigger…who doesn’t lift.[/quote]

I quote Andre the Giant from Princess Brides

“It’s not my fault I’m the biggest and the strongest. I don’t even exercise.”

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Hey, i said “probably”. I even gave the example of a gorilla to cement the argument.

[quote]Professor X wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
How does anyone know there is someone 1/2 his size that lifts more? How much does he lift?

It’s like those people who tell me they know someone my size…only bigger…who doesn’t lift.[/quote]

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
tribunaldude wrote:

You can only tell him that he needs to gain more muscle, and that means he needs to get STRONGER at movements he chooses.

Exactly, How do you feel would be the best way to go about that? I’ve put on 100+ pounds on my deadlift since last winter, and I’m still not seeing any of the size gains I was hoping for.

By my pictures I could probably have told you guys I was 160 pounds and a 225 deadlift, and you all probably would have believed me. I hate that, I not only want to get stronger, but I want to get bigger. I’m just not seeing the size progression I was expecting.

The deadlift is not the corner stone of strength gains. Nearly every single newbie who comes here claims they can deadlift a lot. If ALL OF YOUR LIFTS are not increasing you are doing something wrong. By the looks of it, that something has much to do with your food intake and strategy.

How much has your bench press increased? Military press? Biceps curls (gasp, yes, biceps curls)? Squat?[/quote]

My dumbell bench is going up every week. dumbell overheads are going up a little slower. My pinwheel curls are going up weekly, and my squat is climbing, but more noticably for the lower body, I’ve been making insane gains on the leg press.

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[quote]jehovasfitness wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
tribunaldude wrote:

You can only tell him that he needs to gain more muscle, and that means he needs to get STRONGER at movements he chooses.

Exactly, How do you feel would be the best way to go about that? I’ve put on 100+ pounds on my deadlift since last winter, and I’m still not seeing any of the size gains I was hoping for.

By my pictures I could probably have told you guys I was 160 pounds and a 225 deadlift, and you all probably would have believed me. I hate that, I not only want to get stronger, but I want to get bigger. I’m just not seeing the size progression I was expecting.

you’re not eating enough, and it doesn’t look like you’re eating quality food. that may be a stretch, but looking at your pics it doesn’t seem like you have much if any muscle because it’s hidden by fat.
I’m not knocking you, just giving an observation
Just clean up the diet a little[/quote]

I’ve really cleaned up my eating habits the last few weeks. Prior to that I was eating around 5000kcals a day with 400+ grams of protein. I was however eating shit food frequently to get the calories in.

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[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
Professor X wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
tribunaldude wrote:

You can only tell him that he needs to gain more muscle, and that means he needs to get STRONGER at movements he chooses.

Exactly, How do you feel would be the best way to go about that? I’ve put on 100+ pounds on my deadlift since last winter, and I’m still not seeing any of the size gains I was hoping for.

By my pictures I could probably have told you guys I was 160 pounds and a 225 deadlift, and you all probably would have believed me. I hate that, I not only want to get stronger, but I want to get bigger. I’m just not seeing the size progression I was expecting.

The deadlift is not the corner stone of strength gains. Nearly every single newbie who comes here claims they can deadlift a lot. If ALL OF YOUR LIFTS are not increasing you are doing something wrong. By the looks of it, that something has much to do with your food intake and strategy.

How much has your bench press increased? Military press? Biceps curls (gasp, yes, biceps curls)? Squat?

My dumbell bench is going up every week. dumbell overheads are going up a little slower. My pinwheel curls are going up weekly, and my squat is climbing, but more noticably for the lower body, I’ve been making insane gains on the leg press.[/quote]

You’re going to see that. Larger muscles will see a bigger jump in weight as strength increases, it’s just relative to the size of the muscle.

Adding 5 lbs to a DB curl isn’t the same as adding 5 lbs to a leg press.

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[quote]tribunaldude wrote:
I believe 1more himself rows the 150’s for reps with perfect form easily (@160) but struggles with pushing movements [/quote]

quite right tdude…my pulling/rowing strength is vastly superior to that of my pressing abilities.

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[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
you really think this kids going to be getting his shoulder press up to 315x10?[/quote]

Im not going to be the one to tell him he cant.

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[quote]1morerep wrote:
ok this is getting a bit out of hand. my original intent for posting the strength/size thing was due to an earlier post suggesting to the OP not to consider competing until he could bench 315 for reps.

i thought this was absurd as, like i’ve stated, i’ve seen guys who can do that and didn’t have any impressive size that i could see.

take, for example, powerlifter dennis cieri. the guy is 198 lbs and has a bench press of 595! check out his pics and video. where are this guys slabs of muscle mass? he has probably what…16" arms?

if he walked into your gym and set up say 525 on the bench, wouldn’t you think this guys was ready to kill himself? or if he posted on here with some pics and his lift stats. no wait…even if he claimed he only had a 405 bench press, i guarantee every singe one of you would claim bullshit and flame the hell out if him.

of course he’s a genetic freak. but there are a lot of guys who are strong in this manner and just plain and simple don’t look it.

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wow…

Yes, there are very few very rare cases where someone who trains specifically for a 1 rep max and purposefully trys to stay at a light weight while training in a 30 ply bench shirt can get a high max while remaining small.

However, Im also sure that if he would have ate to gain weight, trained without the bench shirt while training like a bodybuilder who was trying to get strong that he would no doubt be MUCH MUCH bigger than he is there.

No one said that you cant be small while lifting allot of weight, and no one in the world would argue that you couldn’t be small while lifting allot of weight if your goal was TO REMAIN SMALL WHILE LIFTING ALLOT OF WEIGHT. He had to work at it to stay that small, it actually took effort and specific training to do it in fact.

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[quote]1morerep wrote:
i don’t care what kind of lifting style you’re doing. i’m just providing a retort to something prof x said:

Professor X wrote:I have and I have yet to see these really strong yet tiny guys. Usually, if there is 405lbs on the bar, the guy lifting it LOOKS like he can lift 405lbs.

ok this guys is a pro but my point is he can lift way more than 405 and he doesn’t look it. lifting style, protein intake, bla bla bla … i don’t concur.

just check out youtube. there are a gazillion young guys working out that can move nice weight but they don’t have impressive physiques. where are these guys massive builds?

check out the first video. does this kid even look like he’s ever touched a barbell before in his life? and the other two have decent builds but do they look like they can move they weight they can? i don’t think so but that’s just me.

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Prof X said (usually), usually is in most of the time, not as in ALL of the time.

And usually when you get much stronger you also gain allot of muscle mass if your diet is in line. There is no doubt that you can lift allot but not look as big as someone else. Victor Martinez doesnt lift that much no doubt he is one of the largest people in the world. But I can tell you this if you cut his lifts in half he would be drastically smaller.

There are exceptions to most rules, this is one of them.

You can lift allot and not look big
you can not lift much and look big

most of the time people who lift allot are going to look much bigger than they would if they didnt lift allot. If they failed to have proper diet and training for building muscle mass then that would explain why they lift allot but dont look as big as they could.

Lets all do our selves a favor and not base our goals and training off the exceptions to the norm.

The fact is 1morerep is that if your strength doubled (same sets, reps, and exercises you do right now) and you ate accordingly to gain muscle mass, you would be much larger than you are now. I suppose there may be a 1 in a billion chance that you wouldnt be much larger, but we are speaking in the vast majority of circumstances.

Finding one guy, whos goal is to remain at a light weight, while lift the most weight he can for 1 single rep in a bench shirt, does not prove your point at all.

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[quote]1morerep wrote:
i don’t care what kind of lifting style you’re doing. i’m just providing a retort to something prof x said:

Professor X wrote:I have and I have yet to see these really strong yet tiny guys. Usually, if there is 405lbs on the bar, the guy lifting it LOOKS like he can lift 405lbs.

ok this guys is a pro but my point is he can lift way more than 405 and he doesn’t look it. lifting style, protein intake, bla bla bla … i don’t concur.

just check out youtube. there are a gazillion young guys working out that can move nice weight but they don’t have impressive physiques. where are these guys massive builds?

check out the first video. does this kid even look like he’s ever touched a barbell before in his life? and the other two have decent builds but do they look like they can move they weight they can? i don’t think so but that’s just me.

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Dude… I find it hard to see how you are not getting the point.

Ok example

150lb guy 6ft tall
bench 65x10 95x10 135x10
incline 45x10 65x10 95x10
decline 65x10 95x10 135x10
dips him x3x10

Now, he goes on a bulking diet, half a lb a week for 4 years, he gains 100lbs roughly

he has not pushed for more strength or reps every workout and he is up toooo

Weight 250
bench 135x10 225x10 315x10 405x10
incline 135x10 225x10 315x10 355x10
decline 135x10 225x10 315x10 405x10
dips 135x3x10

Now, do you think the 100lbs he gained will be all fat? Do you think his chest and triceps and shoulders will be small? Do you think the muscle he built will look like shit?

No, he will have put on a massive ammount of muscle on his upper body. His chest and triceps and front delts will have gotten way thicker. The excess weight he gained will be mostly muscle (as long as he trained everything else hard aswell).

Strength gain when used in congunction with proper diet, enough volume in your workouts, and selective exercises, is without a doubt probably the best way to put on muscle fast.

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[quote]zephead4747 wrote:
tribunaldude wrote:

You can only tell him that he needs to gain more muscle, and that means he needs to get STRONGER at movements he chooses.

Exactly, How do you feel would be the best way to go about that? I’ve put on 100+ pounds on my deadlift since last winter, and I’m still not seeing any of the size gains I was hoping for.

By my pictures I could probably have told you guys I was 160 pounds and a 225 deadlift, and you all probably would have believed me. I hate that, I not only want to get stronger, but I want to get bigger. I’m just not seeing the size progression I was expecting.[/quote]

Zep, deadlift (or rack pull, better imo since you don’t have to go as far down and compromise your low back…) for 6-10 or so on your heaviest set and you’ll see insane increases in backthickness… It’s the one-rep thing that doesn’t do shit for size.

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N3wbs spittin some knowledge. If I were to listen to anyone on this site about getting big and strong, it would be him.

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[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
zephead4747 wrote:
tribunaldude wrote:

You can only tell him that he needs to gain more muscle, and that means he needs to get STRONGER at movements he chooses.

Exactly, How do you feel would be the best way to go about that? I’ve put on 100+ pounds on my deadlift since last winter, and I’m still not seeing any of the size gains I was hoping for.

By my pictures I could probably have told you guys I was 160 pounds and a 225 deadlift, and you all probably would have believed me. I hate that, I not only want to get stronger, but I want to get bigger. I’m just not seeing the size progression I was expecting.

Zep, deadlift (or rack pull, better imo since you don’t have to go as far down and compromise your low back…) for 6-10 or so on your heaviest set and you’ll see insane increases in backthickness… It’s the one-rep thing that doesn’t do shit for size.

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Could I work up to a heavy set, and drop back and do an 8-10 rep set? That’s pretty similar to what I do for leg presses, and I’ve exploded on those.

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just from skimming posts i think N3wb got to it before me, you need to be doing moderate reps and not worry so much about singles.

you can increase your 1RM, 3RM, etc but they arent gonna add a ton of size. having a high 1RM doesnt always convert to having a high 8RM either.

you said you increased your DL by 100lbs which is good but when you go from deadlifting 315x6 to 405x6 there is no way you will be able to have that jump without adding a shit ton of muscle. work more in the moderate ranges for most sets and then go higher on your last exercises which will probaly be isolation anyway.

thats my problem with the whole “train for strength” thing. this is bodybuilding not the olympics, not strongman, not powerlifting. train for size. and people hear “get strong, get strong, squat, deadlift” and they end up just doing 1-3 rep range stuff and dont make shit progress in size. its cool if you added 100lbs to all your lifts in a year but not when you only gained 5 pounds out of it.

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[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
just from skimming posts i think N3wb got to it before me, you need to be doing moderate reps and not worry so much about singles.

you can increase your 1RM, 3RM, etc but they arent gonna add a ton of size. having a high 1RM doesnt always convert to having a high 8RM either.

you said you increased your DL by 100lbs which is good but when you go from deadlifting 315x6 to 405x6 there is no way you will be able to have that jump without adding a shit ton of muscle. work more in the moderate ranges for most sets and then go higher on your last exercises which will probaly be isolation anyway.

thats my problem with the whole “train for strength” thing. this is bodybuilding not the olympics, not strongman, not powerlifting. train for size. and people hear “get strong, get strong, squat, deadlift” and they end up just doing 1-3 rep range stuff and dont make shit progress in size. its cool if you added 100lbs to all your lifts in a year but not when you only gained 5 pounds out of it.[/quote]

I understand this. I have been doing either SLDLs or Gms for moderate reps after my normal deads. Should I just drop this or should I do both in the moderate rep ranges until I need to start prepping for my powerlifting meets?