[quote]Professor X wrote:
JohnnyBlaze wrote:
A fucking gallon? Holy shit, that’s about 4 litres of milk.
Gee, it’s also 16 cups, 128oz, 3,785.4ml, and 8 pints.
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The question is though, is it enough to go from the Earth to the Moon, if layed atom to atom?
BTW… Drinking a gallon of milk a day is VERY BAD FOR YOU… there’s a condition called hypercalcemia from taking in too much calcium. It causes heart problems
[quote]Dmpro45 wrote:
BTW… Drinking a gallon of milk a day is VERY BAD FOR YOU… there’s a condition called hypercalcemia from taking in too much calcium. It causes heart problems[/quote]
This is blatantly FALSE and I hope no one believes it. Hypercalcemia is a disorder that most commonly results from malignancy or primary hyperparathyroidism. For hypercalcemia to develop, normal calcium regulation system must be overwhelmed by an excess of parathyroid hormone or calcitriol. In other words, it is usually the sign of cancer or increased secretion from the parathyroid glands themselves.
[quote]Dmpro45 wrote:
BTW… Drinking a gallon of milk a day is VERY BAD FOR YOU… there’s a condition called hypercalcemia from taking in too much calcium. It causes heart problems[/quote]
but hey! at least you’ll have strong bones.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Dmpro45 wrote:
BTW… Drinking a gallon of milk a day is VERY BAD FOR YOU… there’s a condition called hypercalcemia from taking in too much calcium. It causes heart problems
This is blatantly FALSE and I hope no one believes it. Hypercalcemia is a disorder that most commonly results from malignancy or primary hyperparathyroidism. For hypercalcemia to develop, normal calcium regulation system must be overwhelmed by an excess of parathyroid hormone or calcitriol. In other words, it is usually the sign of cancer or increased secretion from the parathyroid glands themselves.
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Pwned.
I’m sorry; I had to.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Dmpro45 wrote:
BTW… Drinking a gallon of milk a day is VERY BAD FOR YOU… there’s a condition called hypercalcemia from taking in too much calcium. It causes heart problems
This is blatantly FALSE and I hope no one believes it. Hypercalcemia is a disorder that most commonly results from malignancy or primary hyperparathyroidism. For hypercalcemia to develop, normal calcium regulation system must be overwhelmed by an excess of parathyroid hormone or calcitriol. In other words, it is usually the sign of cancer or increased secretion from the parathyroid glands themselves.
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There is no debating that milk is good for you, but still, why would you want to drink such massive quantities. ANYTHING in excess can’t be that great for you. There are alot of chemicals in milk that must originate from the things the cows ingest, fertilizer, growth horomones and such.
4L of milk a day is a bit much, IMO. just eat some food or something.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Dmpro45 wrote:
BTW… Drinking a gallon of milk a day is VERY BAD FOR YOU… there’s a condition called hypercalcemia from taking in too much calcium. It causes heart problems
This is blatantly FALSE and I hope no one believes it. Hypercalcemia is a disorder that most commonly results from malignancy or primary hyperparathyroidism. For hypercalcemia to develop, normal calcium regulation system must be overwhelmed by an excess of parathyroid hormone or calcitriol. In other words, it is usually the sign of cancer or increased secretion from the parathyroid glands themselves.
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layin’ the smack down…thanks prof! Most guys have no clue how much faster they would gain size if they quit buying all the cutting edge proteins and latest supplements and just ate alot of steak and drank a gallon of whole milk every day. I can see buying top notch supplements when you are dialing in for contest conditions but for bulking nothing beats alot of natural foods. Milk, red meat, natural peanut butter, pizza…yum the official morepain bulking diet.
I wonder what you insulin levels are like. Say hello to pre diabeties.
[quote]keaster wrote:
Say hello to pre diabeties.[/quote]
Oh Pshaw! After reading this I had to go to the kitchen and get myself a nice big glass of milk… ahhhhh.
[quote]vroom wrote:
keaster wrote:
Say hello to pre diabeties.
Oh Pshaw! After reading this I had to go to the kitchen and get myself a nice big glass of milk… ahhhhh.[/quote]
yeah ok. I wonder why JB doesn’t advocate the mass intake of milk. In moderation is good, in excess is bad.
[quote]keaster wrote:
vroom wrote:
keaster wrote:
Say hello to pre diabeties.
Oh Pshaw! After reading this I had to go to the kitchen and get myself a nice big glass of milk… ahhhhh.
yeah ok. I wonder why JB doesn’t advocate the mass intake of milk. In moderation is good, in excess is bad.[/quote]
I wonder why anyone would base their entire concept of food on the beliefs of any one man. What is “excess”? Why would that specific amount be an “excess” to all people?
[quote]baretta wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Dmpro45 wrote:
BTW… Drinking a gallon of milk a day is VERY BAD FOR YOU… there’s a condition called hypercalcemia from taking in too much calcium. It causes heart problems
This is blatantly FALSE and I hope no one believes it. Hypercalcemia is a disorder that most commonly results from malignancy or primary hyperparathyroidism. For hypercalcemia to develop, normal calcium regulation system must be overwhelmed by an excess of parathyroid hormone or calcitriol. In other words, it is usually the sign of cancer or increased secretion from the parathyroid glands themselves.
There is no debating that milk is good for you, but still, why would you want to drink such massive quantities. ANYTHING in excess can’t be that great for you. There are alot of chemicals in milk that must originate from the things the cows ingest, fertilizer, growth horomones and such.
4L of milk a day is a bit much, IMO. just eat some food or something.[/quote]
i stated previosly that i drink clover, thats organic milk from cows not treated with growth hormone or BST, also they are free farmed meaning no pesticides touch the feilds they graze; oh and they’re moniterd by the hippie humane society
You must have some high protein milk there. In Australia, milk doesn’t come in gallons. The biggest bottle you can buy here is a 3 litre bottle, which is roughly 3/4 of a gallon, and even THAT is huge. It contains 3.4 grams of protein per 100ml, so I’ve calculated that to be 136 grams of protein per 4 litres.
Oh well, I guess everything is bigger in America.
I can easily drink 2 litres a day, but I have a digestive problem in that I can’t burp/belch properly (due to a childhood stomach pumping trauma, this natural stomach reflex has been suppressed my whole life and it reduces the amount of food I can physically eat). All the gas I ingest while eating or drinking comes out very slowly in little mini-bubbles or has to be processed through the intestines. So 3-4 litres would be pushing it and I’d be bloated as fuck, unable to even eat anything else.
As it is, I am getting major protein farts from all the shakes I’ve been drinking! My girlfriend isn’t too happy about that, but she has to put up with it…
[quote]JohnnyBlaze wrote:
You must have some high protein milk there. In Australia, milk doesn’t come in gallons. The biggest bottle you can buy here is a 3 litre bottle, which is roughly 3/4 of a gallon, and even THAT is huge. It contains 3.4 grams of protein per 100ml, so I’ve calculated that to be 136 grams of protein per 4 litres.
Oh well, I guess everything is bigger in America.
I can easily drink 2 litres a day, but I have a digestive problem in that I can’t burp/belch properly (due to a childhood stomach pumping trauma, this natural stomach reflex has been suppressed my whole life and it reduces the amount of food I can physically eat). All the gas I ingest while eating or drinking comes out very slowly in little mini-bubbles or has to be processed through the intestines. So 3-4 litres would be pushing it and I’d be bloated as fuck, unable to even eat anything else.
As it is, I am getting major protein farts from all the shakes I’ve been drinking! My girlfriend isn’t too happy about that, but she has to put up with it…
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so that almost makes u like a bird right? what if i fed you an alka seltzer tablet?
I haven’t heard of hypercalcemia or its debunking, but lactose intolerance is something that should be considered. As humans grow out of infancy, the body slows down its production of lactase, the enzyme responsible for digesting lactose.
Obviously if a person has been drinking a gallon of milk a day for any amount of time and shows no ill effects, he’s not lactose intolerant. But for anyone who is, eating yogurt with live cultures should do the trick. Otherwise, the undigested lactose can enter the large intestine where it is metabolized by bacteria which produce carbon dioxide, hydrogen, and methane (very discomforting gases). And since sugar is hygroscopic, lactose in the large intestine can draw water away from intestinal walls causing a bloated feeling or diarrhea.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
keaster wrote:
vroom wrote:
keaster wrote:
Say hello to pre diabeties.
Oh Pshaw! After reading this I had to go to the kitchen and get myself a nice big glass of milk… ahhhhh.
yeah ok. I wonder why JB doesn’t advocate the mass intake of milk. In moderation is good, in excess is bad.
I wonder why anyone would base their entire concept of food on the beliefs of any one man. What is “excess”? Why would that specific amount be an “excess” to all people?[/quote]
Uhh because they aren’t just beliefs they are backed up by science.
From John’s Appetite for Construction
Q. I’m confused about milk. Pro bodybuilders often claim it makes their skin thicker, and guys like John Parrillo say the sugar lactose contributes to bodyfat. If I want to be very lean, do I have to just say no when I hear, ‘got milk?’
A. This has been an interesting topic for many years. In fact I’ve heard this rumor ever since I began competing in bodybuilding contests (early 1990’s). But despite all the discussion I have never seen any good data to support the notion that milk consumption will either lead to “thick skin” (whatever that is?I will assume that “thick skin” is excess water retention) or increased body fat. Ask a nutritionist or food scientist this question and they will simply chalk it up to bodybuilders having hypertrophied muscle tissue but atrophied brain tissue. But if you ask a bodybuilding guru they will probably tell you to avoid milk like you’d avoid that mad cow disease.
So what’s the deal?
As usual, I think the truth is somewhere in the middle of the extremes. While I don’t think milk is the body composition equivalent of a cream-filled donut, I do think that the bodybuilding guru’s are on to something with their recommendations. Again, while there may be no solid studies showing that when 1 group drank milk they gained more fat than another group, some indirect evidence may warrant discussion.
First, milk has been getting a reputation lately as a highly insulinotropic (insulin-releasing) food. In a study done in 1996 and published in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, dairy products like ice cream and yogurt had huge insulin responses (Am J Clin Nutr. 1997 Nov;66(5):1264-76.). And in a few studies last year published in the British Journal of Nutrition, milk was discussed as a highly insulin-releasing drink (Br J Nutr 2000 Mar;83 Suppl 1:S149-55). In the studies above, dairy products seem to release insulin out of proportion with their glycemic index (or the rate of glucose appearance into the blood).
A few other studies were conducted to examine what component (the lactose, the protein, etc) of milk actually leads to this large insulin release. It appears that it’s not the lactose content that leads to the insulin response since both normal skim milk and low-lactose skim milk lead to the same high insulin levels (Z Ernahrungswiss 1987 Mar; 26(1): 52-5.). From this work, it appears that the interaction between either the protein components of milk and perhaps some other unknown components of milk may be responsible for the insulin release.
So what does all this mean? Well, if insulin is high in the blood, it can prevent lypolysis (fat breakdown). And if you’re drinking milk and it leads to high insulin levels in the blood, you may be preventing some fat breakdown that might normally occur. How big is this effect? Probably not all that huge, but when dieting we need every little bit of help that we can get so perhaps milk should be avoided when dieting.
Another thought has to do with milk allergies. When discussing milk allergies I am not referring to lactose intolerance. Milk allergies manifest as excess mucous production, difficult breathing (ashma-like condition) gastrointestinal distress, skin rashes, and cardiovascular complications. While full-blown milk allergy is only present in a small percentage of the population, it is clear that a larger percentage of the population may have mild forms of food allergies. Since one of the main effects of milk allergy is a large immune and inflammatory response, it only stands to reason that in those with even mild milk allergies, water retention and abnormal responses to training and dieting could manifest.
Finally, if you are drinking milk that has fat in it, the saturated fat content of milk is high and saturated fat intake is not optimal for dieting conditions. Since saturated fats lower insulin sensitivity and are more prone to storage in adipose tissues, saturated fat intake should be eliminated in favor of poly and monounsaturates when dieting.
So perhaps when dieting, you should just say no to milk, just to be on the safe side of the pasture. However, unless you have lactose intolerance or serious milk allergy, milk is always a good addition to a weight gain program.
Okay, I’m thinking 75% of the populace is fat and 24% of the populace has food phobias…
Seriously, you can’t mention a food or eating a food without someone claiming how bad it is for you in some way.
[quote]keaster wrote:
So perhaps when dieting, you should just say no to milk, just to be on the safe side of the pasture. However, unless you have lactose intolerance or serious milk allergy, milk is always a good addition to a weight gain program.[/quote]
Keaster,
JB really doesn’t say either way, he just describes the situation. The sentence above is probably the most important.
If drinking milk is in line with your goals, then drink freaking milk. If you are trying to get in contest shape, then maybe you don’t want to be gulping back gallons of milk.
That’s that.
Anyway, the reason that I’m on about it is that I don’t want beginners to pop into a thread like this and get the impression that good and helpful foods are bad for them.
Of course, some idiot could drown himself in a bathtub of milk, but we can’t blame the milk for that!
[quote] Professor X wrote:
For hypercalcemia to develop, normal calcium regulation system must be overwhelmed by an excess of parathyroid hormone or calcitriol. [/quote]
I typed this into google and a very similar sentence came up from e-medicine: it may be wise to reference next time.
E-medicine disagrees with you. They maintain that “For hypercalcemia to develop, the normal calcium regulation system must be overwhelmed by an excess of PTH, calcitriol, some other serum factor that can mimic these hormones, or a huge calcium load.” The huge calcium load could be milk.
( Hypercalcemia in Emergency Medicine: Practice Essentials, Pathophysiology, Epidemiology )
[quote] Professor X wrote:
In other words, it is usually the sign of cancer or increased secretion from the parathyroid glands themselves.[/quote]
I think what you are trying to say here is that:
“In other words, it is usually the sign of cancer that causes increased secretion from the parathyroid glands themselves.” It doesn’t make sense for the gland to fire out PTH without a cause.
Anyways, I see how it is likely that cancer is the most probable cause; however, PTH (like many hormones) isn?t an on and off switch, but instead the secretion levels taper-off as the calcium intake increases. So even thought the PTH does respond to the abhorrent calcium intake, the individual’s blood serum calcium level may still be excessive since PTH will never completely stop calcium reabsorption…
[quote]jambi wrote:
so that almost makes u like a bird right? what if i fed you an alka seltzer tablet?[/quote]
Like a bird? I don’t think I know exactly what you mean by that analogy. I suppose I am more like a malfunctioning human being in regards to that particular digestive reflex. I am capable of eating a lot of food, but soft drinks or anything carbonated tend to get me bloated really fast.