[quote]Gatorarmz wrote:
BIG_DAWS wrote:
buffd_samurai wrote:
Prof X has been training for a very long time and has been at a point in his lifting journey where he knows what works for him and what is wasted time.
I wouldnt call deadlifts a waste of time for ANYBODY (except one who has no legs or arms)
Big Daws, Don’t wear yourself out on these boards. These dudes say crazy shit. The kids asks about DL’s and gets told about other exercises. We know the purpose of DL’s.
I haven’t done shrugs in a year or 2. I speed pull every week and Heavy Pull once a month. My traps and back are pretty good. I have no neck. I’m an 600+ DL w/ an 800+ Sqt. HMMMM…
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Well that settles it. No one should ever even do shrugs because…what was your name again?..anyway, because you don’t do them and have “pretty good” trap development.
I do think the comment of “dudes saying crazy shit” applies to your own post as well. I haven’t seen anyone tell others to avoid an exercise…except you and your comment about shrugs.
I wear a size 20 dress shirt. I think I’m doing ok in that department.
I like deadlifts and do em low and heavy, at least for me. I feel em from my neck to my waist. I also do various rowing movements, bars and dumbells along with shrugs. Deads are done on leg day and the others on back day.
I don’t believe there is any single exercise at all without which you cannot make optimal progress depending on the person. Not even barbell squats. Selection as a whole is more important than single hallowed exercises.
Professor X,
How many sets of shrugs do you do each trap workout? What rep ranges? Thanks!
[quote]LarryJr wrote:
Professor X,
How many sets of shrugs do you do each trap workout? What rep ranges? Thanks![/quote]
3-4 sets staying around 10-12 reps.
Bodybuilding or not, the deadlift adds thickness to your back. It obviously works your entire posterior chain. I RARELY see someone pull heavy at a powerlifting meet that does not have a thick looking back. Those are usually lanky guys that benefit from tendon strength/ leverage advantages anyway.
Iv’e seen Ronnie Coleman double 800 in a training video.I realize he is a freak but I’m sure he didnt get that heavy doing rows and pulldowns alone.I believe the whole body strength that comes from deadlifting makes the size feel better than that same size would feel just by rowing, chinning, pulldowns and shrugs.That is of course my personal feeling and experience.
Ronnie colman video
Thanks! Unfortunately, I have ignored shrugs over the years. Deads do not work well for MY traps. For the past six weeks I’ve added 5 sets of shrugs to my routine. I’m finally seeing some results too. With a 20" neck I was curious how much volume you use.
did the Ronnie Coleman video scare everyone away?
[quote]Bigpull wrote:
did the Ronnie Coleman video scare everyone away?[/quote]
I have every video of Ronnie Coleman on dvd. People quit responding because the discussion ended.
If you watch other Coleman videos than specifically the one in which he deadlifts 800 lbs, you’ll see that his back routine centers around heavy barbell, T-bar, and dumbbell rows.
Don’t think for a second that these excercises are unnkown to powerlifters who have big backs either…
At Westside barbell, some supposedly train back with rows and pulldowns up to 4 times a week. Sounds like a high-volume bodybuilding routine to me…
[quote]kroby wrote:
The back squat rests the bar and all of it’s weight on the cervical vertebrae exclusively.
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If you are squatting with the bar on your cervical vertebrae, my friend, you have bigger issues ahead of you instead of this forum! 
But seriously, I don’t know any seasoned lifter that lifts with the bar that high up on the back. I do high-bar OL style back squats and don’t keep the bar that high.
If someone is squatting isn’t the force also dispersed through the clavicle, multiple muscles attaching the the clavicle, scapula, etc, as well? When I squat, I feel like everything in my body is staying tight to support the weight.
