How Much Alcohol Causes Damage To The Liver

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Me and several of my friends started drinking way to young at age 14 to be exact.

We started small with

-half a bottle of red wine (age 14)

-full bottle of red wine (15)

-4 cans of beer (500 ml cans) (15)

-6 cans of beer (15-16)

-8 cans of beer (Rarely at 15, occasionally at 16, regularly at 17 and always at 18)

-Bottle of wine and 4 cans of beer (on big events sometimes at 17, 18 and 19)

I have always been smart about alcohol, even though i got wasted on most weekends I took several supplements such as whey protein, green tea extract and milk thistle since about 15 years old.

I also started working out when I was 14.

I had a blood test and my liver values came back fine, I attribute that to never drinking more than twice per week, eating tons of vegetables and taking the occasional one month off.

However there is one guy in our group who has a really bad relationship with alcohol, he drinks 8 cans/Bottle of wine and 4 cans 3-5 times per week. His diet is ok not much veg tho.

He runs like 2-5 kilometers per day and is pretty skinny and low bf% as you would imagine.

He justifies his drinking by “everyone does it” and “When your older you will regret not going out getting wasted when your younger”

I think the only thing at this point that will make him take a break is a scare from the doctor.

Anyone know what to your body if you drink excessively over a long period of time ? He as a six pack but Im guessing rotting inside.

I know in the USA the age is 21 to drink but here in the UK its 18 and most people start too young as we did.

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Why would you assume he is rotting inside?

Liver damage is the result of long term insult from heavy alcohol abuse and drug use. There is no exact amount that is “too much” for everyone.

There are full out alcoholics who live longer than people you might think are more healthy.

You should be basing any action on if it is IMPAIRING HIS LIFE.

Is it?

From what you wrote, it looks like he is doing just fine.

A check up is good for everyone…but I am not seeing what the harm is that is causing you to worry about him.

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I imagine a check up would be a good idea, but unless something has gone severely wrong and his liver is clunking along like an old steamboat so soon then it shouldn’t be too much of an issue right now.

I’ve been drinking very heavily since the age of eleven and I’ve not fostered any particular problems just yet, he seems like he’s staying relatively active and at the very least he’s not going at it daily, though he might not be offsetting as much of it as he might think it is, it doesn’t sound like there’s too much off about him yet. Get him checked up and see where he stands now, then you’ll have an idea of how this should play out in the future, whether it’s best to wean him off for a while or just let him be.

None of it sounds quite ‘Leaving Las Vegas’ just yet, I wouldn’t imagine he needs an intervention if the only issue so far has been his justification of enjoying a drink every couple of days.

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I’m sure someone can phrase this better, but just get your liver enzymes checked out.

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It’s not only about “liver damage”. For example beer’s maltose has higher GI than Coca Cola’s glucose (sugar). Meaning if you are drinking 8 cans of strong beer is like drinking 10 cans of coke. Talk about diabetes mellitus.

There’s lots of other alcohol related diseases than “liver damage” including aforementioned diabetes, and genes affect getting them, too.
High blood pressure, gout, brain aneurysm, overall neural damage etc.

Getting wasted is plain stupid, waste of money and gym effort. Getting wasted is not the same as social drinking.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Why would you assume he is rotting inside?

Liver damage is the result of long term insult from heavy alcohol abuse and drug use. There is no exact amount that is “too much” for everyone.

There are full out alcoholics who live longer than people you might think are more healthy.

You should be basing any action on if it is IMPAIRING HIS LIFE.

Is it?

From what you wrote, it looks like he is doing just fine.

A check up is good for everyone…but I am not seeing what the harm is that is causing you to worry about him.[/quote]
This

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[quote]NikH wrote:
It’s not only about “liver damage”. For example beer’s maltose has higher GI than Coca Cola’s glucose (sugar). Meaning if you are drinking 8 cans of strong beer is like drinking 10 cans of coke. Talk about diabetes mellitus.[/quote]

Let’s not.

You getting diabetes has more to do with what you do with the sugars you eat than simply the amount.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]NikH wrote:
It’s not only about “liver damage”. For example beer’s maltose has higher GI than Coca Cola’s glucose (sugar). Meaning if you are drinking 8 cans of strong beer is like drinking 10 cans of coke. Talk about diabetes mellitus.[/quote]

Let’s not.

You getting diabetes has more to do with what you do with the sugars you eat than simply the amount.

Yeah skinny people can get adult diabetes, too, mr dentist :slight_smile:

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[quote]ChaseLA wrote:
Me and several of my friends started drinking way to young at age 14 to be exact.

We started small with

-half a bottle of red wine (age 14)

-full bottle of red wine (15)

-4 cans of beer (500 ml cans) (15)

-6 cans of beer (15-16)

-8 cans of beer (Rarely at 15, occasionally at 16, regularly at 17 and always at 18)

-Bottle of wine and 4 cans of beer (on big events sometimes at 17, 18 and 19)

I have always been smart about alcohol, even though i got wasted on most weekends I took several supplements such as whey protein, green tea extract and milk thistle since about 15 years old.

I also started working out when I was 14.

I had a blood test and my liver values came back fine, I attribute that to never drinking more than twice per week, eating tons of vegetables and taking the occasional one month off.

However there is one guy in our group who has a really bad relationship with alcohol, he drinks 8 cans/Bottle of wine and 4 cans 3-5 times per week. His diet is ok not much veg tho.

He runs like 2-5 kilometers per day and is pretty skinny and low bf% as you would imagine.

He justifies his drinking by “everyone does it” and “When your older you will regret not going out getting wasted when your younger”

I think the only thing at this point that will make him take a break is a scare from the doctor.

Anyone know what to your body if you drink excessively over a long period of time ? He as a six pack but Im guessing rotting inside.

I know in the USA the age is 21 to drink but here in the UK its 18 and most people start too young as we did.

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Jesus Christ. Come back here when you’re actually drinking BOOZE, boy. You know, like whisky or tequila or vodka or gin.

Fucking kids these days. Back when I was a drinker, the shit you’ve described is what we liked to call a “warmup”. That’s what we drank before we even went out to start the real drinking.

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[quote]NikH wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]NikH wrote:
It’s not only about “liver damage”. For example beer’s maltose has higher GI than Coca Cola’s glucose (sugar). Meaning if you are drinking 8 cans of strong beer is like drinking 10 cans of coke. Talk about diabetes mellitus.[/quote]

Let’s not.

You getting diabetes has more to do with what you do with the sugars you eat than simply the amount.

Yeah skinny people can get adult diabetes, too, mr dentist :)[/quote]

Yes, they can.

However, do you think the guy using most of those calories in his “2-5 kilometers per day” will respond the same.

Simply put, there are no real red flags here other than the advice you give in general…ie, go get a check up to see.

There is no specific amount of anything that is bad for all people aside from true overdoses.

No one can look at this info alone and diagnose a disease process…especially over the internet.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]NikH wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]NikH wrote:
It’s not only about “liver damage”. For example beer’s maltose has higher GI than Coca Cola’s glucose (sugar). Meaning if you are drinking 8 cans of strong beer is like drinking 10 cans of coke. Talk about diabetes mellitus.[/quote]

Let’s not.

You getting diabetes has more to do with what you do with the sugars you eat than simply the amount.

Yeah skinny people can get adult diabetes, too, mr dentist :)[/quote]

Yes, they can.

However, do you think the guy using most of those calories in his “2-5 kilometers per day” will respond the same.

Simply put, there are no real red flags here other than the advice you give in general…ie, go get a check up to see.

There is no specific amount of anything that is bad for all people aside from true overdoses.

No one can look at this info alone and diagnose a disease process…especially over the internet.[/quote]
WebMd can :slight_smile:

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[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]NikH wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]NikH wrote:
It’s not only about “liver damage”. For example beer’s maltose has higher GI than Coca Cola’s glucose (sugar). Meaning if you are drinking 8 cans of strong beer is like drinking 10 cans of coke. Talk about diabetes mellitus.[/quote]

Let’s not.

You getting diabetes has more to do with what you do with the sugars you eat than simply the amount.

Yeah skinny people can get adult diabetes, too, mr dentist :)[/quote]

Yes, they can.

However, do you think the guy using most of those calories in his “2-5 kilometers per day” will respond the same.

Simply put, there are no real red flags here other than the advice you give in general…ie, go get a check up to see.

There is no specific amount of anything that is bad for all people aside from true overdoses.

No one can look at this info alone and diagnose a disease process…especially over the internet.[/quote]
WebMd can :)[/quote]

Like redbox videos.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Derek542 wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]NikH wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]NikH wrote:
It’s not only about “liver damage”. For example beer’s maltose has higher GI than Coca Cola’s glucose (sugar). Meaning if you are drinking 8 cans of strong beer is like drinking 10 cans of coke. Talk about diabetes mellitus.[/quote]

Let’s not.

You getting diabetes has more to do with what you do with the sugars you eat than simply the amount.

Yeah skinny people can get adult diabetes, too, mr dentist :)[/quote]

Yes, they can.

However, do you think the guy using most of those calories in his “2-5 kilometers per day” will respond the same.

Simply put, there are no real red flags here other than the advice you give in general…ie, go get a check up to see.

There is no specific amount of anything that is bad for all people aside from true overdoses.

No one can look at this info alone and diagnose a disease process…especially over the internet.[/quote]
WebMd can :)[/quote]

Like redbox videos.[/quote]

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See if he can quit drinking for 4 days. If he can’t, he has a problem.

(My mom always flunked on day 3, and she was a well-functioning alcoholic — accountant by day, started drinking at 6:30, drunk by 7:00 pm, passed out by 9:00pm, up at 5:00 am to start over.)

One of the doctors can state why the 3 day thing is the rule; something to do with brain chemistry.

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Drinks 12cans of beer 5x a week.

“nothing to worry about until you’re blood levels shows problems with AST/ALT ratio”.

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"However, do you think the guy using most of those calories in his “2-5 kilometers per day” will respond the same. "

It’s hardly about how he uses them, but about he how absorbs those carbohydrates. And 12 cans of beers provide nice insulin spikes toward
T2DM insulin resistance.

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[quote]NikH wrote:
"However, do you think the guy using most of those calories in his “2-5 kilometers per day” will respond the same. "

It’s hardly about how he uses them, but about he how absorbs those carbohydrates. And 12 cans of beers provide nice insulin spikes toward
T2DM insulin resistance.[/quote]

Dear Lord…the people who think internet diagnosis makes them look more informed are greatly confused.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]NikH wrote:
"However, do you think the guy using most of those calories in his “2-5 kilometers per day” will respond the same. "

It’s hardly about how he uses them, but about he how absorbs those carbohydrates. And 12 cans of beers provide nice insulin spikes toward
T2DM insulin resistance.[/quote]

Dear Lord…the people who think internet diagnosis makes them look more informed are greatly confused.

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Dear Lord… the dentists who think diagnosing patients is their job are greatly confused.

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[quote]NikH wrote:
"However, do you think the guy using most of those calories in his “2-5 kilometers per day” will respond the same. "

It’s hardly about how he uses them, but about he how absorbs those carbohydrates. And 12 cans of beers provide nice insulin spikes toward
T2DM insulin resistance.[/quote]

Also
My post

Your post:

Welcome to today’s game of Semantic Warriors.

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[quote]DBCooper wrote:
Jesus Christ. Come back here when you’re actually drinking BOOZE, boy. You know, like whisky or tequila or vodka or gin.

Fucking kids these days. Back when I was a drinker, the shit you’ve described is what we liked to call a “warmup”. That’s what we drank before we even went out to start the real drinking.[/quote]

Exactly this.

If he were going through a liter of booze a night, I might be concerned. I’m not going to say that alcohol is particularly good for you… but seriously, a bottle of wine and 4 beers is nothing.