[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
Start caring about yourself, not arbitrary numbers.
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That would be hard to do with people telling others that everyone much over 200lbs is simply adding body fat.
It is a strange act to not have any problem with others telling people this…but the moment someone says they think it is possible to pass these Butt limits up, then you tell them not to worry about numbers.
[quote]fr0gger666 wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
By the way, no, X doesn’t say, “Get fat,” but what he advises and does is pretty much that. Even if one isn’t saying it with the intention of urging others to get fat, using oneself as an example of success while carrying 40 or more pounds of unwanted weight is pretty much the same as “get fat”.
I don’t say this to antagonize or be dismissive towards X considering I USUALLY like to stay civil and mature these days. I believe the guy can be much better physically and socially, even with advice from knowledgeable SMALLER people! (Yeah, just because someone’s smaller or less developed doesn’t mean they don’t know what they’re talking about!"[/quote]
well, if he’s not competing why would he go on a cut? the people in this forum don’t make sense
i think people argue with X because they are smaller, personally. if X cut he’d still have more LBM than the trash talkers
[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:
there is no exact number but you will be hard pressed to find many naturals competing over 200. a natural 350lb powerlifter will be carrying a fuckload of bodyfat.[/quote]
a)not everyone competes
b)they’d still have more LBM than someone who was obsessed with staying 200 lbs
go look up the LBM of sumo wrestlers, thanks[/quote]
Good post.
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
Start caring about yourself, not arbitrary numbers.
I keep a very consistent bodybuilding diet I created that’s giving me results. I train my ass off.
I rest enough.
I have created an anabolic environment for my body.
Whether I gain 10 or 200 lbs of muscle, I’m doing everything needed to build tissue and look good, so I’m happy no matter the result. I know I’m putting in the work needed and letting my body and genetics do the rest.
Everyone is different. Train hard, eat right, and then be happy with the result.
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This right here.
No one has to go about their business while constantly thinking of limits. However, there’s nothing wrong with from time to time stating the uppermost achievements they’ve seen or heard or read about in FIVE DECADES![/quote]
Why even bring that up here? Not everyone agrees with you or Casey Butt. Acting like this is “the end of discussion” is ridiculous. It also limits the exchange of information.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
Start caring about yourself, not arbitrary numbers.
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That would be hard to do with people telling others that everyone much over 200lbs is simply adding body fat.
It is a strange act to not have any problem with others telling people this…but the moment someone says they think it is possible to pass these Butt limits up, then you tell them not to worry about numbers.[/quote]
How about quote the full post next time and read it, absorb it and see how I said I could care less if I gained 10 or 200 pounds, if I’m doing what it takes to build muscle I’ll let my body do the rest.
I’f you are gaining gaining fat, you’re eating too much. That means the body had enough nutrients to repair itself…the rest are being stored for later.
Start caring about yourself, not arbitrary numbers.
I keep a very consistent bodybuilding diet I created that’s giving me results. I train my ass off.
I rest enough.
I have created an anabolic environment for my body.
Whether I gain 10 or 200 lbs of muscle, I’m doing everything needed to build tissue and look good, so I’m happy no matter the result. I know I’m putting in the work needed and letting my body and genetics do the rest.
Everyone is different. Train hard, eat right, and then be happy with the result.
[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
How about quote the full post next time and read it, absorb it and see how I said I could care less if I gained 10 or 200 pounds, if I’m doing what it takes to build muscle I’ll let my body do the rest.
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I understand that just fine…since you state similar in nearly every thread. However, this thread isn’t about what you plan to do, it was about holding a certain weight as far as it pertains to “set point theory”.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
How about quote the full post next time and read it, absorb it and see how I said I could care less if I gained 10 or 200 pounds, if I’m doing what it takes to build muscle I’ll let my body do the rest.
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I understand that just fine…since you state similar in nearly every thread. However, this thread isn’t about what you plan to do, it was about holding a certain weight as far as it pertains to “set point theory”.
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It does have to do with me…What did me getting up to 255lbs have to do with anything besides make me look like shit.
I’m on an agenda to teach people how to do things right. I don’t want anyone following the stupidity that my old teenage mind embraced off this site.
[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:
Kirk Karowski
Brad Gillingham
Andy Bolton
Ed Coan
Anthony Clark
Ted Arcidi
Glen Chabot
Ryan Kennelly
Scot Mendelson
OD Wilson
…a natural 350lb powerlifter will be carrying a fuckload of bodyfat.[/quote]
I suspect most on the list wouldn’t meet the qualification.
[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
How about quote the full post next time and read it, absorb it and see how I said I could care less if I gained 10 or 200 pounds, if I’m doing what it takes to build muscle I’ll let my body do the rest.
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I understand that just fine…since you state similar in nearly every thread. However, this thread isn’t about what you plan to do, it was about holding a certain weight as far as it pertains to “set point theory”.
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It does have to do with me…What did me getting up to 255lbs have to do with anything besides make me look like shit.
I’m on an agenda to teach people how to do things right. I don’t want anyone following the stupidity that my old teenage mind embraced off this site.[/quote]
You have a right to your opinion, but everyone does not agree with you. You aren’t discussing this with morons who don’t understand how the body works. If an opinion is valid and can be backed up, trying to silence it is simply ridiculous.
Everyone does not agree with you.
Also, it does show quite a bit that you didn’t include glycogen as a part of “lean body mass”. It implies you may not completely understand this.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
How about quote the full post next time and read it, absorb it and see how I said I could care less if I gained 10 or 200 pounds, if I’m doing what it takes to build muscle I’ll let my body do the rest.
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I understand that just fine…since you state similar in nearly every thread. However, this thread isn’t about what you plan to do, it was about holding a certain weight as far as it pertains to “set point theory”.
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It does have to do with me…What did me getting up to 255lbs have to do with anything besides make me look like shit.
I’m on an agenda to teach people how to do things right. I don’t want anyone following the stupidity that my old teenage mind embraced off this site.[/quote]
You have a right to your opinion, but everyone does not agree with you. You aren’t discussing this with morons who don’t understand how the body works. If an opinion is valid and can be backed up, trying to silence it is simply ridiculous.
Everyone does not agree with you. [/quote]
What have you accomplished with bodybuilding that give you credibility.
You built a big, bulked up physique with muscle mass, but a lot of fat as well.
Nobody has seen you dieted down. Until you diet down, you have 0 credibility on your methods and procedures because, who knows if they’ve worked. They have never been put to the test by you.
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Also, a mindset has little to do with recognition of a limit. Even if there is a limit, for example, the ones I’ve stated, why would that cause someone to train or eat inadequately?
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Because they are focused on a limit…which may or may not be true for that individual.
If someone all out believes that they are limited by “200lbs” this will affect how they train and eat.
You aren’t saying this MAY be true, you are simply stating it as fact. That isn’t science. It is opinion and fanaticism.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Also, it does show quite a bit that you didn’t include glycogen as a part of “lean body mass”. It implies you may not completely understand this.[/quote]
I did.
[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
What have you accomplished with bodybuilding that give you credibility.[/quote]
We are discussing biology and anatomy. Why would I have to wina bodybuilding contest to discuss this?
? Everyone here isn’t trying to compete…so why would me dieting for competition limit all discussion on GAINING LEAN BODY MASS since that is what this thread is about?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Also, it does show quite a bit that you didn’t include glycogen as a part of “lean body mass”. It implies you may not completely understand this.[/quote]
You can reread and absorb. Clearly you skip over words/sentences.
[quote]fr0gger666 wrote:
[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Most people, even roided up, regardless of height are fat at 350 pounds, if not obese. [/quote]
yes they are fat, but i’m pretty sure they have more than the 40-50 lbs of muscle you talk about
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Muscle doesn’t weigh much.
The human body is 60% water. Then you have your bones, organs, fat, gylcogen then muscle.
Let’s assume that 350 lb person is 20% bodyfat and that is a generous estimate for someone at 350 lbs.
70 pounds of fat
210 pounds of water
Then 70 left for organs, bones and muscle. Plus all that glycogen and other shit taking up weight…
Yeah 40-50 pounds of muscle is a freakin lot.
[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
It does have to do with me…What did me getting up to 255lbs have to do with anything besides make me look like shit.
I’m on an agenda to teach people how to do things right. I don’t want anyone following the stupidity that my old teenage mind embraced off this site.[/quote]
I suspect that if you had not ‘pushed’ your weight up to 255, you would be significantly smaller today then you are. Of course we will never know, because the methods you advocate are not the ones you used.
[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Also, it does show quite a bit that you didn’t include glycogen as a part of “lean body mass”. It implies you may not completely understand this.[/quote]
I did.[/quote]
You wrote this:
[quote]Muscle doesn’t weigh much.
The human body is 60% water. Then you have your bones, organs, fat, gylcogen then muscle.
Let’s assume that 350 lb person is 20% bodyfat and that is a generous estimate for someone at 350 lbs.
70 pounds of fat
210 pounds of water
Then 70 left for organs, bones and muscle. Plus all that glycogen and other shit taking up weight…
Yeah 40-50 pounds of muscle is a freakin lot.
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This assumes quite a bit that no one in science could validate without quite a bit of surgery.
Lean body mass isn’t divided up like this in all people. That is why “lean body mass” itself isn’t concerned with simply the dry weight of muscle (which is only about 22%).
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
What have you accomplished with bodybuilding that give you credibility.[/quote]
We are discussing biology and anatomy. Why would I have to wina bodybuilding contest to discuss this?
? Everyone here isn’t trying to compete…so why would me dieting for competition limit all discussion on GAINING LEAN BODY MASS since that is what this thread is about?[/quote]
You are carrying extra body weight because diet is hard.
You don’t care about proper nutrition, your physique shows it.
Your opinion does not matter to me one a personal level because I’ve built a more impressive physique than yourself. I know what to do and won’t be changing anything based on what you say.
My problem lies that, people cannot decipher what information to listen to when they begin training, and a lot of the advice you give sets up failure when it comes to nutrition.
You’re obsessed with body weight.
I’m obsessed with growing muscle, being lean, being strong.
I’ve accomplished all 3 to a large degree.
[quote]BlueCollarTr8n wrote:
[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
It does have to do with me…What did me getting up to 255lbs have to do with anything besides make me look like shit.
I’m on an agenda to teach people how to do things right. I don’t want anyone following the stupidity that my old teenage mind embraced off this site.[/quote]
I suspect that if you had not ‘pushed’ your weight up to 255, you would be significantly smaller today then you are. Of course we will never know, because the methods you advocate are not the ones you used. [/quote]
Yet they act like this is impossible…and act like everyone should ignore that they bulked up.
[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
What have you accomplished with bodybuilding that give you credibility.
You built a big, bulked up physique with muscle mass, but a lot of fat as well.
Nobody has seen you dieted down. Until you diet down, you have 0 credibility on your methods and procedures because, who knows if they’ve worked. They have never been put to the test by you.
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Please people…although I may differ with X about paticulars…the approach he advocates built the majority of succesful bodybuilding from the early 70’s through the 90’s. That’s a whole lot of ‘knowing if they worked’ credibility.
[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
You are carrying extra body weight because diet is hard.[/quote]
? This would be incorrect. I have no problem with the way I look now. My diet is very regulated. I cook nearly all meals ahead of time and rarely even eat out now. You just assumed something incorrect…why would you do this yet be hell bent on believing it to be true?
Once again, this is incorrect.
I would disagree with this. I do not consider your physique more impressive. I am glad you think that highly of yourself, but you do understand that not everyone agrees with you?
My problem lies that, people cannot decipher what information to listen to when they begin training, and a lot of the advice you give sets up failure when it comes to nutrition.[/quote]
??? How?
Be specific and quite exactly what has been written, not your “understanding” of what I wrote.
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You’re obsessed with body weight.[/quote]
Once again, incorrect. I ahve been as heavy as 285lbs and am not trying to hit that again any time soon.
You assume a lot. Maybe you should focus on what is actually being written.
I’m obsessed with growing muscle, being lean, being strong.
I’ve accomplished all 3 to a large degree.[/quote]
Wow…yet the whole board cries out that I should be more humble.
It is amazing how you have have this attitude yet no one sees a problem with it at all.
Mind you, I see nothing wrong with thinking highly of yourself…but the witch hunt bullshit isn’t doing anything but holding other people back.