How Long to Stay at Weight After Bulk?

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[quote]fr0gger666 wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:
I can see why in one’s first, serious bulk as a youngster, they MIGHT experiment and benefit from what I’d call an “all out bulk” in which they gain an appreciable amount of bodyfat with their first noob 20 to 25 pound gain. However, what I think X really doesn’t seem to acknowledge is that naturals can only gain about 40 to 50 pounds of muscle over a lifting journey. People can say all the bad things about Casey Butt, AA, and LM all they want, but the guys have done due diligence and have studied nutrition, training, and the stats of lifters since the 1960’s as much as anyone can and provided us with good information. And besides that, anyone following natural bodybuilding for some time will see the same weight trends over and over and over!

[/quote]

40-50 pounds of muscle over a lifting journey for a natural? so everyone above… like 200 is putting on fat, if they are natural? maybe they should quit bodybuilding because they will never gain more muscle

[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Even if one puts up bigger numbers because of fat mass, it doesn’t mean there is some definite increase in muscle mass to go with that “fat strength”. [/quote]

yeah, powerlifters putting up big numbers are just fat… its not muscle, or anything… fat gives you insane bench/squat/and deadlift numbers

and where did X advocate putting on fat? i must’ve missed that one

strong straw man arguments in this thread

[quote]paulieserafini wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

First year: 25 pounds
Second year: half of above (12 or 13 pounds)
Third year: half of above (6 or so pounds)
Fourth year and beyond: painfully slow, almost negligible gains over time

[/quote]

What? Why do you have to kill my dreams man I’m in year five and not happy with my size.[/quote]

just stop bro you’ll only get fatter post year 5
[/quote]

Oh yes, me recognizing that fat adds leverage to lifts, dismissed all the muscle mass that guys like Andy Bolton and Donnie Thompson are carrying. I mean, I’m really dumb enough to think that the fat’s doing all that work deadlifting and squatting 1000+.

Yes, I’m really that infantile! Thanks.

Oh, thanks for telling me I haven’t hung around and met some bigass powerlifters and strongmen, most of whom have more muscle than I.

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]fr0gger666 wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:
I can see why in one’s first, serious bulk as a youngster, they MIGHT experiment and benefit from what I’d call an “all out bulk” in which they gain an appreciable amount of bodyfat with their first noob 20 to 25 pound gain. However, what I think X really doesn’t seem to acknowledge is that naturals can only gain about 40 to 50 pounds of muscle over a lifting journey. People can say all the bad things about Casey Butt, AA, and LM all they want, but the guys have done due diligence and have studied nutrition, training, and the stats of lifters since the 1960’s as much as anyone can and provided us with good information. And besides that, anyone following natural bodybuilding for some time will see the same weight trends over and over and over!

[/quote]

40-50 pounds of muscle over a lifting journey for a natural? so everyone above… like 200 is putting on fat, if they are natural? maybe they should quit bodybuilding because they will never gain more muscle

[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Even if one puts up bigger numbers because of fat mass, it doesn’t mean there is some definite increase in muscle mass to go with that “fat strength”. [/quote]

yeah, powerlifters putting up big numbers are just fat… its not muscle, or anything… fat gives you insane bench/squat/and deadlift numbers

and where did X advocate putting on fat? i must’ve missed that one

strong straw man arguments in this thread

[quote]paulieserafini wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

First year: 25 pounds
Second year: half of above (12 or 13 pounds)
Third year: half of above (6 or so pounds)
Fourth year and beyond: painfully slow, almost negligible gains over time

[/quote]

What? Why do you have to kill my dreams man I’m in year five and not happy with my size.[/quote]

just stop bro you’ll only get fatter post year 5
[/quote]

Oh yes, me recognizing that fat adds leverage to lifts, dismissed all the muscle mass that guys like Andy Bolton and Donnie Thompson are carrying. I mean, I’m really dumb enough to think that the fat’s doing all that work deadlifting and squatting 1000+.

Yes, I’m really that infantile! Thanks.

Oh, thanks for telling me I haven’t hung around and met some bigass powerlifters and strongmen, most of whom have more muscle than I. [/quote]

Ah yes, all the greats, just fat did the trick for them:
Kirk Karowski
Brad Gillingham
Andy Bolton
Ed Coan
Anthony Clark
Ted Arcidi
Glen Chabot
Ryan Kennelly
Scot Mendelson
OD Wilson

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]fr0gger666 wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:
I can see why in one’s first, serious bulk as a youngster, they MIGHT experiment and benefit from what I’d call an “all out bulk” in which they gain an appreciable amount of bodyfat with their first noob 20 to 25 pound gain. However, what I think X really doesn’t seem to acknowledge is that naturals can only gain about 40 to 50 pounds of muscle over a lifting journey. People can say all the bad things about Casey Butt, AA, and LM all they want, but the guys have done due diligence and have studied nutrition, training, and the stats of lifters since the 1960’s as much as anyone can and provided us with good information. And besides that, anyone following natural bodybuilding for some time will see the same weight trends over and over and over!

[/quote]

40-50 pounds of muscle over a lifting journey for a natural? so everyone above… like 200 is putting on fat, if they are natural? maybe they should quit bodybuilding because they will never gain more muscle

[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Even if one puts up bigger numbers because of fat mass, it doesn’t mean there is some definite increase in muscle mass to go with that “fat strength”. [/quote]

yeah, powerlifters putting up big numbers are just fat… its not muscle, or anything… fat gives you insane bench/squat/and deadlift numbers

and where did X advocate putting on fat? i must’ve missed that one

strong straw man arguments in this thread

[quote]paulieserafini wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

First year: 25 pounds
Second year: half of above (12 or 13 pounds)
Third year: half of above (6 or so pounds)
Fourth year and beyond: painfully slow, almost negligible gains over time

[/quote]

What? Why do you have to kill my dreams man I’m in year five and not happy with my size.[/quote]

just stop bro you’ll only get fatter post year 5
[/quote]

Oh yes, me recognizing that fat adds leverage to lifts, dismissed all the muscle mass that guys like Andy Bolton and Donnie Thompson are carrying. I mean, I’m really dumb enough to think that the fat’s doing all that work deadlifting and squatting 1000+.

Yes, I’m really that infantile! Thanks.

Oh, thanks for telling me I haven’t hung around and met some bigass powerlifters and strongmen, most of whom have more muscle than I. [/quote]

Ah yes, all the greats, just fat did the trick for them:
Kirk Karowski
Brad Gillingham
Andy Bolton
Ed Coan
Anthony Clark
Ted Arcidi
Glen Chabot
Ryan Kennelly
Scot Mendelson
OD Wilson[/quote]

well you are saying there are these magical limits at which you won’t gain any more muscle… and it’s pure bodyfat. So clearly powerlifters who are 250-350 lbs must be carrying like 50-150 lbs of fat

just stop at 200

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By the way, no, X doesn’t say, “Get fat,” but what he advises and does is pretty much that. Even if one isn’t saying it with the intention of urging others to get fat, using oneself as an example of success while carrying 40 or more pounds of unwanted weight is pretty much the same as “get fat”.

I don’t say this to antagonize or be dismissive towards X considering I USUALLY like to stay civil and mature these days and I’m not even a top notch bodybuilder or powerlifter myself (I’m a damn ordinary guy that’s into fitness and works in nutrition). I believe the guy can be much better physically and socially, even with advice from knowledgeable SMALLER people! (Yeah, just because someone’s smaller or less developed doesn’t mean they don’t know what they’re talking about!"

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[quote]fr0gger666 wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]fr0gger666 wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:
I can see why in one’s first, serious bulk as a youngster, they MIGHT experiment and benefit from what I’d call an “all out bulk” in which they gain an appreciable amount of bodyfat with their first noob 20 to 25 pound gain. However, what I think X really doesn’t seem to acknowledge is that naturals can only gain about 40 to 50 pounds of muscle over a lifting journey. People can say all the bad things about Casey Butt, AA, and LM all they want, but the guys have done due diligence and have studied nutrition, training, and the stats of lifters since the 1960’s as much as anyone can and provided us with good information. And besides that, anyone following natural bodybuilding for some time will see the same weight trends over and over and over!

[/quote]

40-50 pounds of muscle over a lifting journey for a natural? so everyone above… like 200 is putting on fat, if they are natural? maybe they should quit bodybuilding because they will never gain more muscle

[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Even if one puts up bigger numbers because of fat mass, it doesn’t mean there is some definite increase in muscle mass to go with that “fat strength”. [/quote]

yeah, powerlifters putting up big numbers are just fat… its not muscle, or anything… fat gives you insane bench/squat/and deadlift numbers

and where did X advocate putting on fat? i must’ve missed that one

strong straw man arguments in this thread

[quote]paulieserafini wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

First year: 25 pounds
Second year: half of above (12 or 13 pounds)
Third year: half of above (6 or so pounds)
Fourth year and beyond: painfully slow, almost negligible gains over time

[/quote]

What? Why do you have to kill my dreams man I’m in year five and not happy with my size.[/quote]

just stop bro you’ll only get fatter post year 5
[/quote]

Oh yes, me recognizing that fat adds leverage to lifts, dismissed all the muscle mass that guys like Andy Bolton and Donnie Thompson are carrying. I mean, I’m really dumb enough to think that the fat’s doing all that work deadlifting and squatting 1000+.

Yes, I’m really that infantile! Thanks.

Oh, thanks for telling me I haven’t hung around and met some bigass powerlifters and strongmen, most of whom have more muscle than I. [/quote]

Ah yes, all the greats, just fat did the trick for them:
Kirk Karowski
Brad Gillingham
Andy Bolton
Ed Coan
Anthony Clark
Ted Arcidi
Glen Chabot
Ryan Kennelly
Scot Mendelson
OD Wilson[/quote]

well you are saying there are these magical limits at which you won’t gain any more muscle… and it’s pure bodyfat. So clearly powerlifters who are 250-350 lbs must be carrying like 50-150 lbs of fat

just stop at 200

[/quote]

there is no exact number but you will be hard pressed to find many naturals competing over 200. a natural 350lb powerlifter will be carrying a fuckload of bodyfat.

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:
By the way, no, X doesn’t say, “Get fat,” but what he advises and does is pretty much that. Even if one isn’t saying it with the intention of urging others to get fat, using oneself as an example of success while carrying 40 or more pounds of unwanted weight is pretty much the same as “get fat”.

I don’t say this to antagonize or be dismissive towards X considering I USUALLY like to stay civil and mature these days. I believe the guy can be much better physically and socially, even with advice from knowledgeable SMALLER people! (Yeah, just because someone’s smaller or less developed doesn’t mean they don’t know what they’re talking about!"[/quote]

well, if he’s not competing why would he go on a cut? the people in this forum don’t make sense

i think people argue with X because they are smaller, personally. if X cut he’d still have more LBM than the trash talkers

[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:

there is no exact number but you will be hard pressed to find many naturals competing over 200. a natural 350lb powerlifter will be carrying a fuckload of bodyfat.[/quote]

a)not everyone competes
b)they’d still have more LBM than someone who was obsessed with staying 200 lbs

go look up the LBM of sumo wrestlers, thanks

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[quote]fr0gger666 wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]fr0gger666 wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:
I can see why in one’s first, serious bulk as a youngster, they MIGHT experiment and benefit from what I’d call an “all out bulk” in which they gain an appreciable amount of bodyfat with their first noob 20 to 25 pound gain. However, what I think X really doesn’t seem to acknowledge is that naturals can only gain about 40 to 50 pounds of muscle over a lifting journey. People can say all the bad things about Casey Butt, AA, and LM all they want, but the guys have done due diligence and have studied nutrition, training, and the stats of lifters since the 1960’s as much as anyone can and provided us with good information. And besides that, anyone following natural bodybuilding for some time will see the same weight trends over and over and over!

[/quote]

40-50 pounds of muscle over a lifting journey for a natural? so everyone above… like 200 is putting on fat, if they are natural? maybe they should quit bodybuilding because they will never gain more muscle

[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Even if one puts up bigger numbers because of fat mass, it doesn’t mean there is some definite increase in muscle mass to go with that “fat strength”. [/quote]

yeah, powerlifters putting up big numbers are just fat… its not muscle, or anything… fat gives you insane bench/squat/and deadlift numbers

and where did X advocate putting on fat? i must’ve missed that one

strong straw man arguments in this thread

[quote]paulieserafini wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

First year: 25 pounds
Second year: half of above (12 or 13 pounds)
Third year: half of above (6 or so pounds)
Fourth year and beyond: painfully slow, almost negligible gains over time

[/quote]

What? Why do you have to kill my dreams man I’m in year five and not happy with my size.[/quote]

just stop bro you’ll only get fatter post year 5
[/quote]

Oh yes, me recognizing that fat adds leverage to lifts, dismissed all the muscle mass that guys like Andy Bolton and Donnie Thompson are carrying. I mean, I’m really dumb enough to think that the fat’s doing all that work deadlifting and squatting 1000+.

Yes, I’m really that infantile! Thanks.

Oh, thanks for telling me I haven’t hung around and met some bigass powerlifters and strongmen, most of whom have more muscle than I. [/quote]

Ah yes, all the greats, just fat did the trick for them:
Kirk Karowski
Brad Gillingham
Andy Bolton
Ed Coan
Anthony Clark
Ted Arcidi
Glen Chabot
Ryan Kennelly
Scot Mendelson
OD Wilson[/quote]

well you are saying there are these magical limits at which you won’t gain any more muscle… and it’s pure bodyfat. So clearly powerlifters who are 250-350 lbs must be carrying like 50-150 lbs of fat

just stop at 200

[/quote]

Please tell me where I said stop at 200? Why would I say this considering that there have been OUTSTANDING natty bodybuilders that have COMPETED above 200, let alone their offseason weights?

Again, where did I say stop at 200?

And yes, you’re right, some SHW powerlifters are downright obese, carrying a ton of fat at 25% bodyfat.

No one here is talking about magic.

Talking about holding top weights forcing a body to gain more lean mass than nature allows without drugs (1 or 2 pound gain of LEAN MASS A MONTH with adequate training and nutrition) is magic.

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[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:

[quote]fr0gger666 wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]fr0gger666 wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:
I can see why in one’s first, serious bulk as a youngster, they MIGHT experiment and benefit from what I’d call an “all out bulk” in which they gain an appreciable amount of bodyfat with their first noob 20 to 25 pound gain. However, what I think X really doesn’t seem to acknowledge is that naturals can only gain about 40 to 50 pounds of muscle over a lifting journey. People can say all the bad things about Casey Butt, AA, and LM all they want, but the guys have done due diligence and have studied nutrition, training, and the stats of lifters since the 1960’s as much as anyone can and provided us with good information. And besides that, anyone following natural bodybuilding for some time will see the same weight trends over and over and over!

[/quote]

40-50 pounds of muscle over a lifting journey for a natural? so everyone above… like 200 is putting on fat, if they are natural? maybe they should quit bodybuilding because they will never gain more muscle

[quote]BrickHead wrote:
Even if one puts up bigger numbers because of fat mass, it doesn’t mean there is some definite increase in muscle mass to go with that “fat strength”. [/quote]

yeah, powerlifters putting up big numbers are just fat… its not muscle, or anything… fat gives you insane bench/squat/and deadlift numbers

and where did X advocate putting on fat? i must’ve missed that one

strong straw man arguments in this thread

[quote]paulieserafini wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

First year: 25 pounds
Second year: half of above (12 or 13 pounds)
Third year: half of above (6 or so pounds)
Fourth year and beyond: painfully slow, almost negligible gains over time

[/quote]

What? Why do you have to kill my dreams man I’m in year five and not happy with my size.[/quote]

just stop bro you’ll only get fatter post year 5
[/quote]

Oh yes, me recognizing that fat adds leverage to lifts, dismissed all the muscle mass that guys like Andy Bolton and Donnie Thompson are carrying. I mean, I’m really dumb enough to think that the fat’s doing all that work deadlifting and squatting 1000+.

Yes, I’m really that infantile! Thanks.

Oh, thanks for telling me I haven’t hung around and met some bigass powerlifters and strongmen, most of whom have more muscle than I. [/quote]

Ah yes, all the greats, just fat did the trick for them:
Kirk Karowski
Brad Gillingham
Andy Bolton
Ed Coan
Anthony Clark
Ted Arcidi
Glen Chabot
Ryan Kennelly
Scot Mendelson
OD Wilson[/quote]

well you are saying there are these magical limits at which you won’t gain any more muscle… and it’s pure bodyfat. So clearly powerlifters who are 250-350 lbs must be carrying like 50-150 lbs of fat

just stop at 200

[/quote]

there is no exact number but you will be hard pressed to find many naturals competing over 200. a natural 350lb powerlifter will be carrying a fuckload of bodyfat.[/quote]

Exactly, I once met strongman Mike Jenkins at 380 pounds. He had a ton of muscle AND fat on fat on him.

Most people, even roided up, regardless of height are fat at 350 pounds, if not obese.

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

Most people, even roided up, regardless of height are fat at 350 pounds, if not obese. [/quote]

yes they are fat, but i’m pretty sure they have more than the 40-50 lbs of muscle you talk about

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[quote]fr0gger666 wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:
By the way, no, X doesn’t say, “Get fat,” but what he advises and does is pretty much that. Even if one isn’t saying it with the intention of urging others to get fat, using oneself as an example of success while carrying 40 or more pounds of unwanted weight is pretty much the same as “get fat”.

I don’t say this to antagonize or be dismissive towards X considering I USUALLY like to stay civil and mature these days. I believe the guy can be much better physically and socially, even with advice from knowledgeable SMALLER people! (Yeah, just because someone’s smaller or less developed doesn’t mean they don’t know what they’re talking about!"[/quote]

well, if he’s not competing why would he go on a cut? the people in this forum don’t make sense

i think people argue with X because they are smaller, personally. if X cut he’d still have more LBM than the trash talkers

[quote]ryan.b_96 wrote:

there is no exact number but you will be hard pressed to find many naturals competing over 200. a natural 350lb powerlifter will be carrying a fuckload of bodyfat.[/quote]

a)not everyone competes
b)they’d still have more LBM than someone who was obsessed with staying 200 lbs

go look up the LBM of sumo wrestlers, thanks[/quote]

Sorry to break it to you and others and the evergrowing crowd of New-Ageists these days, not everyone who insults or criticizes another person is suffering from envy, jealousy, or low self esteem or is–my favorite–a “hater”. There are plenty of big dudes out there. Most people with their minds in gear aren’t walking around jealous of them.

Most people who argue with X are annoyed with his crass, brassy, tyrannical, and nonsensical tirades.

Who said X HAS to get cut? Did I say this?

Seriously, where are you getting this from: “stop at 200”, “give up bodybuilding”, “X should cut down”.

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[quote]fr0gger666 wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

Most people, even roided up, regardless of height are fat at 350 pounds, if not obese. [/quote]

yes they are fat, but i’m pretty sure they have more than the 40-50 lbs of muscle you talk about

[/quote]

Yes, there are outliers. I go by the average when speaking because unlike the New Ageists and sensitive types in everygrowing numbers these days, I avoid talking about individuals constantly because I’d wind up confusing those I talk to… AND MYSELF!

Anyway, if they’re natural, it’s highly unlikely they’re sporting morre than 50 pounds of muscle, and if they are, it would not be held onto if they decided to get moderately lean.

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[quote]fr0gger666 wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

Most people, even roided up, regardless of height are fat at 350 pounds, if not obese. [/quote]

yes they are fat, but i’m pretty sure they have more than the 40-50 lbs of muscle you talk about

[/quote]

Muscle doesn’t weigh much.

The human body is 60% water. Then you have your bones, organs, fat, gylcogen then muscle.

Let’s assume that 350 lb person is 20% bodyfat and that is a generous estimate for someone at 350 lbs.

70 pounds of fat
210 pounds of water
Then 70 left for organs, bones and muscle. Plus all that glycogen and other shit taking up weight…

Yeah 40-50 pounds of muscle is a freakin lot.

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This doesn’t mean that people shouldn’t get fat if they want to hang onto more muscle mass if the “fat muscular” look is what they’re into, Professor X for example, who, if he likes being a “big guy” should continue what he’s doing if he has no regards for bodyfat. Again this is FINE if that’s the look he or others want to sport. Some here want to compete, and many just want to look good, and in the eyes of MANY or most, fat is unwanted for physical appearance and health (and locomoting faster than a walk or doing anything moderately athletic).

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[quote]austin_bicep wrote:

[quote]fr0gger666 wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

Most people, even roided up, regardless of height are fat at 350 pounds, if not obese. [/quote]

yes they are fat, but i’m pretty sure they have more than the 40-50 lbs of muscle you talk about

[/quote]

Muscle doesn’t weigh much.

The human body is 60% water. Then you have your bones, organs, fat, gylcogen then muscle.

Let’s assume that 350 lb person is 20% bodyfat and that is a generous estimate for someone at 350 lbs.

70 pounds of fat
210 pounds of water
Then 70 left for organs, bones and muscle. Plus all that glycogen and other shit taking up weight…

Yeah 40-50 pounds of muscle is a freakin lot.

[/quote]

Very good post! I didn’t have the patience to break it down, so thanks.

God is it refreshing to see people looking at reality.

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There also does come a point in which people train just to hold onto muscle. I can thing of one: Dorian Yates in his last 5 years or so of training, if memory serves me correctly. Would anyone tell him to stop competing because he reached his max lean mass? No.

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[quote]BrickHead wrote:

[quote]austin_bicep wrote:

[quote]fr0gger666 wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

Most people, even roided up, regardless of height are fat at 350 pounds, if not obese. [/quote]

yes they are fat, but i’m pretty sure they have more than the 40-50 lbs of muscle you talk about

[/quote]

Muscle doesn’t weigh much.

The human body is 60% water. Then you have your bones, organs, fat, gylcogen then muscle.

Let’s assume that 350 lb person is 20% bodyfat and that is a generous estimate for someone at 350 lbs.

70 pounds of fat
210 pounds of water
Then 70 left for organs, bones and muscle. Plus all that glycogen and other shit taking up weight…

Yeah 40-50 pounds of muscle is a freakin lot.

[/quote]

Very good post! I didn’t have the patience to break it down, so thanks.

God is it refreshing to see people looking at reality. [/quote]

pretty sure water is a part of muscle, unless you are dead, and when people talk about LBM they aren’t talking about in a corpse

if someone goes from 150 to 200, and was at 10% BF (15 lbs and 20 lbs of fat), they gained 45 lbs of muscle and 5 lbs of fat

do you not consider that LBM gain? Do you say they gained 10 lbs of muscle and 35 pounds water? no

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Start caring about yourself, not arbitrary numbers.

I keep a very consistent bodybuilding diet I created that’s giving me results. I train my ass off.

I rest enough.

I have created an anabolic environment for my body.

Whether I gain 10 or 200 lbs of muscle, I’m doing everything needed to build tissue and look good, so I’m happy no matter the result. I know I’m putting in the work needed and letting my body and genetics do the rest.

Everyone is different. Train hard, eat right, and then be happy with the result.

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Also, a mindset has little to do with recognition of a limit. Even if there is a limit, for example, the ones I’ve stated, why would that cause someone to train or eat inadequately?

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[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
Start caring about yourself, not arbitrary numbers.

I keep a very consistent bodybuilding diet I created that’s giving me results. I train my ass off.

I rest enough.

I have created an anabolic environment for my body.

Whether I gain 10 or 200 lbs of muscle, I’m doing everything needed to build tissue and look good, so I’m happy no matter the result. I know I’m putting in the work needed and letting my body and genetics do the rest.

Everyone is different. Train hard, eat right, and then be happy with the result.
[/quote]

This right here.

No one has to go about their business while constantly thinking of limits. However, there’s nothing wrong with from time to time stating the uppermost achievements they’ve seen or heard or read about in FIVE DECADES!

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[quote]austin_bicep wrote:

[quote]fr0gger666 wrote:

[quote]BrickHead wrote:

Most people, even roided up, regardless of height are fat at 350 pounds, if not obese. [/quote]

yes they are fat, but i’m pretty sure they have more than the 40-50 lbs of muscle you talk about

[/quote]

Muscle doesn’t weigh much.

The human body is 60% water. Then you have your bones, organs, fat, gylcogen then muscle.

Let’s assume that 350 lb person is 20% bodyfat and that is a generous estimate for someone at 350 lbs.

70 pounds of fat
210 pounds of water
Then 70 left for organs, bones and muscle. Plus all that glycogen and other shit taking up weight…

Yeah 40-50 pounds of muscle is a freakin lot.

[/quote]

?? Body water is also what comprises lean body mass. Many obese people are carrying a good deal of lean body mass. You are acting like “glycogen and all that other shit” isn’t a part of “lean body mass”.