How Long Does it Take to Change Your Appetite?

How to Change Your Appetite

So my case might not be the average, since I suffer from bad anxiety and am a suspected type II bypolar (my psych didn’t want to rush with the diagnosis, but currently i’m on pills). Fast, shit food is like balsam for my soul. I have, over the years, gotten addicted to sugary and fatty foods, and even though I am slim (because I don’t have an endless budget and am very active), I am still feeding my body crap and abusing my wallet.

The most i’ve lasted when eating healthy (that is - anything from 80%-100% healthy, whole foods with a variety of lean protein, whole grains, fruits, veggies, the works) is 4 days in a row. After the 4th day or so, I already start dreaming of ordering butter chicken or pizza. And then the next day, I break because I can’t stand another bite of eggs with broccoli and carrots, and I order it.

So i’m wondering. Tl;dr: people who have made the switch to healthy eating - how many days or weeks did it take you before it became habitual and the cravings for shit food became tolerable?

Literally about to order my second serving of butter chicken with cheese naan today and curse me if I do. Fuck why is it so hard to resist this.

I eat bland food for two weeks. After a few weeks fruit is delicious again.

Humans have about 10,000 taste buds that get replaced after every two weeks .

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Sounds promising. Will be a hellish 2 weeks, but… fuck, i’m writing this and thinking about what people in slums and warzones across the world have to endure, and i’m whining like a little bitch.

No, it’s not going to be hellish, i’ll do it and i’ll be fine. My mind can’t be so weak, I won’t accept that

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I’m on this cutting out shit food journey myself, and I think making your food taste good (via cooking or whatever) is the key,

Also, I don’t see what’s unhealthy about butter chicken. Is Indian cuisine your favorite? Maybe start there…Asian cuisine tends to be nutritious anyway.

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What is your fat intake? How much protein? How many carbs and what are the sources? What are the whole grains in terms of ratio to fruit?

Going low carb has been shown to help with anxiety.

In my 20’s, I loved Carl’s Jr, extra thick pepperoni pizza, waffles and pancakes, and the like. Not more than the average American and I was not obese or anything, but certainly I was pudgier back then.

In my early 30’s, I just made the switch. I still craved those foods for years, but over time less and less. Now (at 51), I haven’t craved those foods in quite some time. I don’t ever eat fast food or mass produced crap (okay, almost never and really I just don’t enjoy them), and I crave fresh fruits and vegetables, eggs, nuts, yogurt, and meats. It does take some time, but I think you must be rigid about cutting those ultra-processed foods out completely for some time.

In my opinion, still allowing a “cheat day” that involves eating crap you’re trying to cut out is not a good strategy. It reinforces to yourself that these foods are “treats” and that you’re depriving yourself by not eating them. Also, it keeps the cravings there and makes it harder in the long. Like someone trying to give up cigarettes but allowing them only on the weekends.

One approach is to go a bit extreme to reset your taste buds. Some here like the velocity diet, but also something like Whole 30 or the like works great (I’ve done the latter).

Sorry for the overly long response. Good luck.

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IMO, the biggest enemy of a clean food diet is processed carbohydrates. They are the catalysts of ravenous cravings. Fats and meat are your friends. They are satisfying and help to curb hunger.

Stop these and in less than a week they have lost any physical hold that they have on you. All that is left is to comply with your goal (which should be eliminate processed carbohydrates)

Put buttery chicken on your must have meal a couple times a week. Make sure you use real butter, not some store bought “buttery” substitute.

Beware of what you call “whole grains.” Whole wheat bread is still processed carbohydrates.

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Learn how to cook using real food, spices and flavors.

You won’t need shitty food. You can make your own.

And if I see a single “yeah but…” you go on the shitlist of fuckhead posters that make too many excuses and not a damn bit of progress.

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Don’t worry about how long. Just know you’ll do it today. I forget what I was listening to but it was someone who battled addiction and they said “I don’t know if I’ll stay sober forever, but I know I’ll stay sober today.” Do it today. Same mindset tomorrow. And so on.

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I think a few weeks of consistency will get most people over the day-to-day cravings hump if they are making the change from a really poor diet with lots of crap.

It is one of those things you have to actually decide to do, then do it, then you’ll see how you feel afterwards. Settling into bad habits of any kind will distort your baseline comparison, meaning it’s easy to forget what feeling normal feels like and you come to believe that feeling like crap is your normal state of being.

Having cut out alcohol entirely since early February and more recently cutting out nearly all carbs for the last few months, I feel like I’ve finally gotten off of a roller coaster of sorts. I’m not 100 percent junk free with a few quest peanut butter cups here and there, some diet soda and a bit of processed cheese on some of my meat patties, but compared to most of my life I’m eating better than ever. I’m very level all day. I eat when I’m hungry and when I’m hungry it doesn’t bother me nearly as much as it used to.

As I’m writing this it has been about 27 hours since I’ve had any calories if you don’t count the small splash of light cream that went in my coffee this morning. I’m not ill and I didn’t intend to enter a fast. I had a big hibachi lunch of steak and grilled veggies (no rice) yesterday for lunch, didn’t really work out at all for the rest of the day, and just never got hungry enough to even want to go snack or eat. I woke up this morning feeling fine and I’m just going to keep it going for at least a few more hours, as this is probably the longest I’ve ever gone without eating, absent some kind of illness.

Of course, writing about not eating has made my stomach start growling, so I’ll probably just make some eggs with jalapeno peppers and cheese pretty soon. Today’s fast is basically a continuation of another pattern that has emerged, which is that I can often go much longer between meals without feeling anything at all really, especially if I don’t have a difficult workout that day.

They key to healthier eating for me has always been simple and delicious recipes. Becoming a master at searing ground beef and steak with a cast-iron or carbon steel pan has been my go-to meal that I still haven’t grown tired of in 44 years.

I’m not ready to go crush a heavy squat workout, set any new PR’s and I have no particular plan of fasting with any regularity, but eating lots of meat, eggs and cheese is something I’ve always been good at and stripping my diet down to these basics and a few low carb veggies has done nothing but improve my wellbeing so far.

In particular at age 44, I found that simply giving up on trying to time carbs around workouts has worked out better for me. I’m as strong as I’ll ever need to be and perfectly happy to maintain what I’ve built in that department. Prioritizing my diet, including cutting out alcohol and beer especially, and allowing my lifting to fall into orbit around that, rather than trying to pull my diet into orbit around my lifting, is working out much better for me.

Good luck. It’s all about getting all of your ducks in a row, even if every single one of them isn’t quite where it should be yet.

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“Healthy” is subjective and objective… I’ve seen the best results when people do a pretty rigid elimination eating plan then slowly titrate certain thongs back in.

“A strong enough why can overcome any how”

Although this also explains the struggle with face fatness

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Wait, what?
I feel like I’m missing a reference here.

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Yikes!

I might say it never gets “easy”. I spent a year living as a raw vegan. Looking back, not as healthy as I thought it would be. I had read Nature’s First Law by Arlin, Wolfe, and Dini. I read every book Norman Walker had written. I drank probably a quart of carrot/Granny Smith apple juice a day. I was $#%&ing orange. I was headed down I-80 one day and caught a whiff of the new In n Out Burger just off the next exit. I took the exit. You keep trying!

Important is to go shopping with out been hungry and not to buy the prozessed food and sweets. If you dont’t have them at home you can not eat them :slight_smile:

Usa a app and count your food intake that helps alot

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So much good advice on here already, but i’ll add my 2c:

Gamifying this absolutely helps me. I also think its important to figure out which part of the unhealthy food your body is craving. My guess would probably be fats or protein, maybe salt. You can add these in to your diet without all the other crap.

Learning to cook, and making the food tasty also absolutely helps. Chicken, rice and broccoli has absolutely nothing magical about it apart from tasting like shit. Fill your fridge/freezer with healthy, meal prepped food and make getting crap food as difficult as possible.

Problem is you’re trying to do a complete 180 overnight. No wonder you can’t sustain it. Each week just make small incremental improvements so within a year or so you don’t even notice the difference and you’re eating all quality whole foods.

You said you make it 4 days. So next week just pick one day where you can’t eat out… like an anti-cheat day. That’s it… one day. And that’s a victory.

Repeat each week until it’s just programmed into your lifestyle now. Then you make it two days a week. Repeat until it’s basically involuntary.

Then 3 days…4 days… before you know it, you’re doing it everyday. It’s not about making it “easy;” it’s about making it an ingrained habit. Something you don’t really think about like showering or brushing your teeth.

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