How is my 3 Plates Squat??(140kg)

alexus · December 16, 2011, 8:40pm

[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Yep Meat, imagine how strong you’d be if you were doing what them powerlifters are doing.
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that wasn’t how i meant that comment.

but my bad, guess his technique is totally perfect.

i never said anything about folding forwards.

i understand wider stance squatting for geared rather than raw lifters (because of the support to the hip joint / smaller adductors / outside glutes) but i don’t understand more upright stance squatting for raw lifters.

doesn’t mean there isn’t something to it… but i’ve never heard anything about it before…

alexus · December 16, 2011, 8:59pm

i’m kinda obsessed by squat mechanics so would be very interested indeed if there were something about meat that made it such that his stance was the best stance for him.

but my bad.

carry on with the probably wilful misunderstandings and insults, people. so long as you guys get the lolz

Cephalic_Carnage · December 16, 2011, 9:34pm

You really don’t see why one might find the way you made your entrance into this thread mildly amusing?

Oh, and do quote those insults please.

bigandstrong24 · December 17, 2011, 1:40am

Meats advice is spot on. Anyone that tells you, “you need to sit back into a raw squat” doesn’t really squat. Squatting should feel very natural for everyone. Feet a little past hip width, tight abs, chest up, head straight and open up the knees and “sink between the groin”. Do not fold and unfold like a scaffold. Externally rotate the feet and just sink down till “ass touches calves”. Very simple, I have taught two 50+ yo arthritic women how to squat in a matter of minutes. Mobility is not the issue. 99.9% of the time its technique and it is in your case as well.

jp_dubya · December 17, 2011, 2:36am

Sitting back, going straight down, it is probably referring to the same thing.
the angle at the hips is affected by how low the bar is, femor length in relation to the leg.
Sitting back is a good queue for some. If it doesn’t work for you, so what? I was told one time to tea bag my heels. The don’t let your knees go over your toes isn’t totally correct. Again, it is just a queue. IF the weight stays in the same vertical plane, and you maintain weight on your heels, and you maintain a stiff spine, the knees are going to do some traveling.
Didn’t someone once say, “Just get under the damn bar!” ?

alexus · December 17, 2011, 10:43am

[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
You really don’t see why one might find the way you made your entrance into this thread mildly amusing?
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not at all.

and i’m not sure why you think anyone would feel insulted.

but perhaps you think that he who squats most must be most right. that only he who squats most can offer anything.

i come from the perspective of having a shitty squat. took me around 6 months to get a good squat to depth. i do front squats, overhead squats, oly style high bar back squats, and low bar sitting back style parallel squats… i’m totally obsessed with squat mechanics and how perfect form for everyone looks a little different given different levers etc.

i love to see side on vids of people squatting… and to think about how leverages can be improved.

you won’t get far in life if you see insult at every corner, you know.

Quick_Ben · December 17, 2011, 4:05pm

[quote]alexus wrote:

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:

i drop straight down into my squat and squat over 700 raw. [/quote]

wow. just think what you’d be able to squat if you adopted the ‘sitting back’ style favored by powerlifters because it focuses the movement on the glutes and hammies (which are capable of being much much stronger than the quads)
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You just told a powerlifter with a 700lb squat that he’d be able to squat more if he squatted like a powerlifter. That’s… impressively stupid. You don’t get to a 700lb squat by accident.

Cephalic_Carnage · December 17, 2011, 6:59pm

[quote]alexus wrote:

[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
You really don’t see why one might find the way you made your entrance into this thread mildly amusing?
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not at all.

and i’m not sure why you think anyone would feel insulted.

you won’t get far in life if you see insult at every corner, you know.
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You brought up us insulting you. I asked you to quote those insults you apparently saw.

You’re trolling, aren’t you?

That must be it…

Next time before giving beginner advice and explanations, at least find out whether it makes sense to do so to the person in question.
Knowing what their squat technique actually looks like helps, for example.

As for having/having had trouble with the squat, I can certainly relate.

Cephalic_Carnage · December 17, 2011, 5:31pm

[quote]Quick Ben wrote:

[quote]alexus wrote:

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:

i drop straight down into my squat and squat over 700 raw. [/quote]

wow. just think what you’d be able to squat if you adopted the ‘sitting back’ style favored by powerlifters because it focuses the movement on the glutes and hammies (which are capable of being much much stronger than the quads)
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You just told a powerlifter with a 700lb squat that he’d be able to squat more if he squatted like a powerlifter. That’s… impressively stupid. You don’t get to a 700lb squat by accident.[/quote]

I thought the part in bold was especially cute in this situation, in a really patronizing kind of way.

Never mind us busting your ovaries Alexus. They see me educatin’ and all that.
Rest assured, the average vet here knows the basic stuff.

Cephalic_Carnage · December 17, 2011, 6:18pm

Meat, did you take down your old vids? The 600 or whatever it was front squat etc…

Edit: Think you set them to private.

Cephalic_Carnage · December 17, 2011, 6:58pm

Eh, wrong button

SteelyD · December 17, 2011, 7:34pm

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
i don’t agree with those giving the advice to sit back. as a raw lifter i’ve never understood “sitting back” sit back into what?? if i have gear on i could see it but not without. I squat straight down and straight up like a piston. squatting down allows me to us more of my quads as well as the hips and glutes.

what this guy desperately needs to do is open up the groin and SPREAD THE FLOOR. take a wider stance, turn those feet out some and force the knees out throughout the lift. I’m sure you will have no problem hitting depth then. [/quote]

I read and listened to every word MM told me in the public forums and countless PM’s regarding my squat (front and back). I added 100#'s to my squat (currently mid-5’s) and front squat (currently in 4’s) because of MM’s words and critiques.

He’s one ugly fucker but he knows what he’s talking about for sure.

alexus · December 17, 2011, 8:07pm

i’m interested in the squat technique rather than the weight moved.

trying to understand the biomechanics of squatting better.

totally take the point that big squats don’t just fall in anybodies lap they are a sign of one hell of a lot of work and effort. i certainly don’t mean to disrespect any of that.

i’m sure marauder doesn’t need a rescuer or a champion. especially from lil ol me lolz.

i’m trying to learn. i love being wrong. because then it means i get to learn something.
don’t see why people are so attached to being right since then they don’t. but whatever.

i’m very interested in the sitting down vs back thing because it contradicts almost everything i thought i knew…

about how olympic weightlifters don’t have powerlifting competitive back squats (even if someone cued depth so they didn’t go so low) and so on…

alexus · December 17, 2011, 8:10pm

part of it is that i’m very curious about his squatting levers. i’m wondering whether a relatively short legs might make the sitting down vs back thing so subtle as to be irrelevant? i’m also wondering whether there is more sitting back than an oly squat it is just that he doesn’t make such a big deal of it the way some people do… so many possibilities. and only really vids to see what is going on…

Cephalic_Carnage · December 17, 2011, 8:38pm

If you were wondering about that, you could simply have asked about it in the first place.

If I want to know how exactly Bill Gates manages his finances, I don’t start off by giving him generic advice on the very subject.

Anyway, yes, long femurs = knees go out in front very far (lots of strain on the knees… Obv. they will travel in any event though) if you just drop straight down and hitting depth becomes difficult (ankle ROM, trying to keep your pelvis frum tucking under)… Pelvis/hips end up too far forward in the hole.
Then again, some may automatically do it right and not even consider that sitting back, so whatever.

With shorter femurs and so on you can keep your arch/pelvic position and literally drop straight down esp. with the knees out.

All the various cues are just there to let you keep your back/pelvis positioned correctly while achieving depth (so you don’t round and don’t have hips/pelvis come too far forward at the bottom) and the bar from coming too far forward or back etc.

As for the quads, they play a large role in the raw squat anyhow… Something has to take up what briefs or a suit usually do, and in order to be able to do that, some changes in technique are likely needed. Plus you may have to go somewhat deeper, and if you literally try to get your ass back as far as possible, that can be downright impossible.
How much of a role you want the quads to play depends. Tall guy may need to watch his knee health for one.

Staying more upright may help if you have a long torso… Low bar may really fuck with your shoulders/elbows/wrists… And so on. High bar is great if you’re one of those better off staying more upright anyway. Low bar is probably better if the opposite is true. And so on. And then there are people who do it the opposite way compared to what you’d expect them to do and they’re just fine.

rawelite is meat’s youtube channel but it seems that all his old vids are invisible/set to private now… I think there was a side view vid of him squatting 6xx in there somewhere, not sure.

Cephalic_Carnage · December 17, 2011, 8:39pm

[quote]SteelyD wrote:

[quote]maraudermeat wrote:
i don’t agree with those giving the advice to sit back. as a raw lifter i’ve never understood “sitting back” sit back into what?? if i have gear on i could see it but not without. I squat straight down and straight up like a piston. squatting down allows me to us more of my quads as well as the hips and glutes.

what this guy desperately needs to do is open up the groin and SPREAD THE FLOOR. take a wider stance, turn those feet out some and force the knees out throughout the lift. I’m sure you will have no problem hitting depth then. [/quote]

I read and listened to every word MM told me in the public forums and countless PM’s regarding my squat (front and back). I added 100#'s to my squat (currently mid-5’s) and front squat (currently in 4’s) because of MM’s words and critiques.

He’s one ugly fucker but he knows what he’s talking about for sure.

<dismounting Meat’s ball sack>[/quote]

Yeah, got some great increases from reading his advice too.

I need the sitting back cue though

maraudermeat · December 17, 2011, 9:41pm

[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
If you were wondering about that, you could simply have asked about it in the first place.

If I want to know how exactly Bill Gates manages his finances, I don’t start off by giving him generic advice on the very subject.

Anyway, yes, long femurs = knees go out in front very far (lots of strain on the knees… Obv. they will travel in any event though) if you just drop straight down and hitting depth becomes difficult (ankle ROM, trying to keep your pelvis frum tucking under)… Pelvis/hips end up too far forward in the hole.
Then again, some may automatically do it right and not even consider that sitting back, so whatever.

With shorter femurs and so on you can keep your arch/pelvic position and literally drop straight down esp. with the knees out.

All the various cues are just there to let you keep your back/pelvis positioned correctly while achieving depth (so you don’t round and don’t have hips/pelvis come too far forward at the bottom) and the bar from coming too far forward or back etc.

As for the quads, they play a large role in the raw squat anyhow… Something has to take up what briefs or a suit usually do, and in order to be able to do that, some changes in technique are likely needed. Plus you may have to go somewhat deeper, and if you literally try to get your ass back as far as possible, that can be downright impossible.
How much of a role you want the quads to play depends. Tall guy may need to watch his knee health for one.

Staying more upright may help if you have a long torso… Low bar may really fuck with your shoulders/elbows/wrists… And so on. High bar is great if you’re one of those better off staying more upright anyway. Low bar is probably better if the opposite is true. And so on. And then there are people who do it the opposite way compared to what you’d expect them to do and they’re just fine.

rawelite is meat’s youtube channel but it seems that all his old vids are invisible/set to private now… I think there was a side view vid of him squatting 6xx in there somewhere, not sure.

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talk’n about this one? no sitt’n back for me.

maraudermeat · December 17, 2011, 9:09pm

[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Meat, did you take down your old vids? The 600 or whatever it was front squat etc…

Edit: Think you set them to private.

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since you asked

damn… i used to have to train with some horrible equipment.

Cephalic_Carnage · December 17, 2011, 9:32pm